Samjkim has translated the Famitsu.com write up with Daigo Umehara, collecting his thoughts on the changes in Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition, part 1 and part 2.Toyoizumi: You got to play some AE. What are your first impressions?
Umehara: Impressions… Basically that it’s over for projectile characters (laughs). All the non-projectile characters have gotten buffed, whereas I think Deejay is the only projectile character that has really gotten buffed. Sagat has gotten better, but Ryu, Akuma, Guile, Dhalsim, and I suppose Chun, they’ve all gotten nerfed. And grapplers have also gotten buffed. Projectile characters were strongest in Vanilla, but it’s the other way around now in AE. But I plan to use Yun so it’s not a big deal for me. I guess that’s my impression of AE.
Toyoizumi: It seems there are some people that say that Ken is now the best shoto.
Umehara: Well Ken was originally somewhere halfway between a projectile and non-projectile character. And I wonder just how far he can really get against the top tiers. He loses to Zangief, so…
Source: Famitsu, submitted by TikiGoddess.
Evo 2011
finals
Daigo(yun) vs Justin(yang) = epic match
These should please the eventscrub masses, but now they're going to complain about yun completely dominating them worse than any shoto ever would.
Toyoizumi: Ono did say in an interview that he wanted a super tier character like Vanilla’s Sagat. I guess Yun and Yang are it?
Umehara: I’m going to main Yun so it’s all good for me (laughs).
Apparantly we have god tier characters again.........So Daigo is dropping ryu, Air said if he got any weaker, he'd be dropping Ryu also. Ryan hart another great ryu, will probably love these 3rd strike characters, he's always picked top tier so he'd probably drop ryu. Once AE hits console Ryu will disappear from relevance.
So is everyone going to be bothered when every match they fight will be against yun? AE will probably upset alot of players.
Choco Blanka reviews arent so bad, but he was nerfed not buffed.
Vangief may reign supreme if daigo so scared of the zangief and keeps mentioning him.
So the agressive characters are now dominant? Big change in pace, now zoning and spacing will be much more difficult and no one will be able to complain about it. I main Guy so this might mean that Guy will be more favored in this version of SFIV, i'll keep sagat on the side to deal with Zangief/Honda.
#6
Don't forget he is a tournament player and he do it for living not just as hobby..!
@6 He never stated why he dropped Ryu, he only stated he likes Yun. That doesn't mean he jumped ship because Ryu got nerfed or he thinks Yun is better. Yun wasn't available till now, so is he supposed to never pick up new characters to main as they're released? Also I can understand wanting to drop a charater for certain nerfs, if what makes a character fun mechanically gets removed it can be a legit reason to not want to play them. I'm a scrub Ibuki who just likes to jump back and kunai chip all day and now I can't with AE, and that's fine. It's not always about can a character win...but a line does need to be drawn on that too.
What the hell? Fei Long top tier?
He's a character I picked up awhile ago. I was really starting to get sick of the "tier list is never wrong," bullsh!t, so I chose him as my alternate for Bison.
I'll probably still use him though. But in reality guys:
Skill>Tier. At the least, Tier=30% and Skill 70%. I do believe in bad match ups, but I don't agree with a supreme character that beats all.
@6
If you actually read it he stated that he likes Yun because he's versatile. He likes characters with alot of options, matter of taste. Not a fanboy, just correcting and disliking people looking for points to hate a person.
I'm not really interested in the person playing, I care about how they play.
interesting read and insights, always so sincere.
@von_kunlun_boof
id like to introduce you to Vanilla Sagat. There are some characters that are just straight up dominant, your statement does hold truth that its mostly skill, but the character itself can definatley tilt things into the users favor.
Yes that's right, now all of you haters whining endlessly about how Daigo plays a boring scrubby character can now all whine about how Daigo is a tier whore.
@19
From how I've understood the tier lists, it's their level of "skill" to use which give them their respective places.
Rough comparison, Ryu vs Makoto. While a Ryu can do his pokes into Fireball etc, Makoto would need a whole lot of mind games to get a decent match.
Atleast that's how I see it, The higher on the list the less dependent on mind games and the opposite for being lower on the list.
@22
Yeah, Sagat was broken. I remember the vanilla days with sagat,ryu,akuma.
The only Tier list I will truly ever hold to be correct is the MvC2 list.
I've wanted to try Yun as a personal choice. I've wanted to since he was announced. Now I feel like I'll be called out for jumping on some Daigo bandwagon. Tier lists mean nothing to me (My main is Sakura, for what that's worth.), but I hope me playing Yun, even if it's brief, won't get me called a "tool" or something.
I still play vanilla(I'm on PC) and I like playing good God tier Sagats on there because its a better challenge you cant get anywhere else.
lol @ 14.
I mean the beast never did fully shift to Guile. I know he played him sporadically but never gave up on Ryu through all the different iterations of the SFIV to date
No?
and as someone esle said... Yun was never around until now. Cant fault the guy to changing the script a bit. Pretty much everyone is known of a main to a main2. Why cant he have another competitve worth main?
Good interview.
My question:
Does anybody know if the arcades are packed or is it just the six or seven SF nerds like us hanging around the machine all day?
Sagat broken? why didn't a sagat win evo? or even make top 8? Why didn't make make win sbo in 2008 or 2009? He was a strong character, but now oooo booyy n00bs do not know about 3s yun, lol they're going to hate this game with his shenanigans.
'it's over for projectile characters'
I lost any respect I had for Daigo after that.
Even if he's right, he's still a tool. And he's gonna spam Yun all over the tournament scene.
Is it true that Ono wanted a 'god tier'? Or maybe he's just trying to deflect blame away from the testers/programmers...
@14 finally someone with brain, whether this guys angry or not, that is the true, just the part for the money the other is just nerdrage, anyway, i dont have a 360 nor a ps3 to play ssf4, however i do play at tournament, i do play online is not cause street is a good game but cause theres is a lot of people to play with an thats fun enough, anyway seens i dont have the game so i couldnt care less by getting charge for yet another street fighter game with the same thing but a bit of changes, anyway enjoy the fee your going to pay for another remake of street fighter
You think players who can barely mash out SRK or a basic combo reliably are suddenly going to master the Genei Jin? Please.
The VERY large majority of people who play Street Fighter are terrible. Joe Scrub doesnt care about tiers. Joe Scrub wants to pick a shoto and SRK somebody. Once the bandwagon factor of Yun and Yang where off, it will be business as usual. Always is.
While I can understand some people might be a little upset with Daigo changing to Yun, I think the anger is unjustified.
Even without taking into account the truth pointed out earlier that this is his livelihood, he has a sponsorship to maintain and a tournaments to win.
Not only that but he is no doubt bored with Ryu, probably been looking for a fresh start with a character for a while but never had one available that ticked all his boxes. Now he does.
Plus people have studied his game endlessly with Ryu for years now and it is because of his dedication to one character that people have been able to claim the victories they have.
Admittedly, to hear him switching his main is disappointing, especially when it does sound so tier based, but overall I don't think it's really anything you can hate over.
@#25
It has nothing to do with mind games or how difficult to use certain character is. All match ups on tier lists assume that both players' skill is equal and very high or at least high enough to make character use difficulty differences irrelevant.
awwh C'mon..
Daigo drops Ryu for yun just because of the tier lists??!!
i once believed that he has the best player in the world...
And what about dropping a character that you have been using for the last years and that you know every move and EVERY situation possible just because his fireball now is blue and it was white (XD)!
I`ve Been playing makoto since SF3 and i'll keep doing it.
(Because I can't decice for an alternate!!! XD).
vanillasagat broken!? Ivan Ooze aka the embodiment of being broke would like to have a word with you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-g4Tq...
damnit, whyd they have to ruin ssf4 with AE!???!?!?? developers are so scared these days - they need to let games grow and develop in the community longer
@25
Tiers in Street Fighter 4 are determined by how good all of a character's matchups are. This is because in SF4 the matchup is very important; obviously it's not everything, but it's huge. Characters that have mostly good/even matchups are generally considered top tier.
The matchups themselves are not determined by "how hard" the character is to learn or use or anything, but by the character's range of options pitted against the other character's. It is simply assumed that the characters are being brought to about their fullest potential by any pro player, i.e, it doesn't matter that C. Viper has a high execution requirement, what's being taken into account is what C. Viper can do ASSUMING you can do all of her best stuff. For example, Ryu's links are taken into account regardless of the fact that 99% of online players don't know a single link, etc.
That being said, it's an important distinction. Dan is considered low tier in most fighting games because of his OPTIONS. Obviously, being a really badly made character, it will inherently require you to have that much more skill than your opponent in order for you to win. But it isn't necessarily hard to play Dan to his potential or anything, because he isn't built with a high performance ceiling; ie no matter how good you are, he is still low tier.
Ryu has too many bad matchups, his biggest strength was zoning and fireballs are now even more useless as ever. It only makes sense to switch characters. He plays for fun and to win money at tournaments, not for the pride nonsense no name scrubs talk about.
Only thing that sucks is that we're playing this useless super game that will be completely different once AE drops. Once again the japanese have the upper hand. My local arcade will be getting 2 AE cabs, but thats not enough for everyone to get to play.
Outright racism in the second interview. "Does everyone there where Turbins?" and 80 questions about oil. Who cares? It's just another country, with regular people like every where else.
I still respect him leaving Ryu. I would respect anyone's decision to leave a character. Fact of the matter is that these people are playing for money. Not for PP, BP, or even fun (most of the time). I'm just glad he didn't go to Zangief lol.
That said, I'm sticking with Juri.
Don't like how Daigo dropped Ryu... he was known for his great Ryu and now Yun... bah. X_X
Besides, Ryu's only main nerf was tatsu corner escape. There wasn't much toned down in him to make him bad... He still has those ridiculous Ultra juggle setups.. jab, jab, shoryu... ex firebal jumping MP.. corner tatsu.. god..
You guys think these guys play for the glory and fans? If that was the case, we'd be having more top players using characters like Dan, Gen, Guy, Hakan, etc.
None of these guys care about your 'respect'. They play to get paid. Simple as that. They pick good characters, play good, get sponsored, and get more money. They play bad characters, they will lose more, won't get sponsored, and won't get as much money. Do the math.
Not to mention, Daigo has always picked middle-top tier characters. So how can any of you lose this so-called 'respect' for him by switching to Yun?
@balls_of_steel
oh god.. when I was a child I always watched the movie that he was in.. I always had a feeling that he was a broken F***
I read on another forum that Daigo switched his mains between Ken, Ryu and Akuma according to who was top tier at the time throughout the SF3 versions. I'm not against him for switching its his choice if he wants to, but if he doesn't do as well as he used to with Ryu and swiches back then everyone will know then that he is a tier whore...but not now give him a chance.
@spaniard SRK
would that mean that Ryu is balanced? having good and bad matches but having them be equal?
LOL @ some people losing respect for Daigo. Go back to whatever non-fighting genres you used to play before the arrival of SF4. It's comments like yours that give people a reason to call this place EventScrubs, which is very unfortunate.
There's nothing wrong with picking a character that has solid character matchups. Daigo doesn't always shoot for the VERY best character, but when he does for SSF4AE some new fighting game players think they know everything and jump on his back. Get a clue and take a look at the characters he has picked in other fighting games before spouting your worthless opinions.
I don't care who Daigo picks or how many tournaments he wins, but those of you who do care should take a look at yourselves before criticizing him. He wins lots of money doing what he does and has fun doing so, while you sit at home, contribute nothing to the community, and suck online against other similarly bad players.
Ryu's bad matchups are against the top tier, thus it's going to make him useless for tournament use. CR mk poke was nerfed, air tatsu nerfed, the character is just terrible now.
Now with that said, just because his fireballs are useless, doesn't mean YOU will be able to get around them. It takes skill to nullify zoning, so "joe scrub", will continue to chunk that plasma.
At a low level ryu will still be decent, but at a tourny level I doubt we'll be seeing him at tournaments anymore.
@64: Calling everyone who disagrees with you worthless, acknowledging that Daigo is a tier whore while worshipping the toilet seat he sat upon...
Textbook Daigo fanboy. (Also, juuuuuuust possibly trolling.)
I'm amazed by all the negative commentary... whatever happened to "If it's legal, it's game. Whatever it takes to win?" You guys are incredible... I main Gouken, lower-mid tier (for the time being anyway, we'll see where he falls in AE)at best. I have yet to complain facing Bison, Guile or Chun who are top tier. Come to think of it, I don't complain when any of the other numerous bad match ups for my character come up and whoop me. I made the conscious choice to forgo efficiency for uniqueness. If another player decides to go the other route, so be it.
You all need to spend a lot more time in the training room with your character than worrying about who other people are playing and why. Might improve your game.
Of course Daigo is a tier whore. Denying that is ludicrous; but as others have pointed out, it's how he gets paid, and sponsored to fly across the world and pwn us with his leet skillz. We don't want to lose that opportunity, now do we? People can play Street Fighter however they want to play it, and they won't lose any respect from me. Daigo has to put time into learning completely new characters, and that's not a small task.
Most of the best players are tier-whores in all competitive games, and that's OK.
@70: 'Completely new characters'...
Are you even aware of Third Strike's existence?
@66
I am no Daigo fanboy. I have respect for all good players, from guys like Cole, Choi, Valle, etc. all the way up to Marn, Justin, etc.
It's not about people disagreeing with me. It's about people who just joined the scene when SF4 came out acting like they know what they're talking about. There are some great new players, but people like you give them a bad name because of your worthless opinions. Imagine a garbage man going up to a doctor and telling him how to do his job - that's what a few of you here are like.
I have a lot of respect for Daigo for switching to Yun. It takes a lot of courage to pick characters that are mostly based on offense even though SF4 is the most defensive SF of all time.
Not to mention block strings in SF4 are almost non-existent thanks to that scrubby reversal window. So playing as Yun or Yang against characters with good reversals is going to be a big risk.
I had a feeling Yun was going to be really good, even though people were saying Yang would be way better. They sound about even or maybe Yun is actually better than Yang.
Yun builds meter insanely fast from what I've seen. I guess getting 2-3 Genei Jins a match wont be as hard as people suspected at first, Genei Jin sounds really good already and AE only just came out. Seems like it's a super that'll grow in strength over time.
I remember Daigo expressing his interest in Yun in the AE version a while back so it's good to see him make the jump from Ryu and Guile. If I ever do play this I'll be using Yun for certain
So... Daigo is going to tier-whore it. Love it.
If Yun is as good as everyone says he is, I will use him also. Considering all the other times when I would use either low tier or hard to use characters. I would like to just put it on auto-pilot for a while.
Basically not win with skill but just with character advantages haha.
In all honesty, I'm slightly dissapointed by the fact that Daigo is dropping Ryu on the basis of him being weaker but it is very understandable though. I mean him using Ryu has become a staple part of the Umehara Legend, he has stuck with Ryu through thick and thin, through all the nerfs. Great champions are unique and stubborn like that but they also know when to change a losing stratergy and that's what makes them great! I was dissapointed at the Canada Cup he switched to Guile in the final but it paid off big time and Mago was sent packing but on the flipside it seemed like he had resigned in trying to find a way to beat Mago with Ryu, he gave up, a trait one would never, ever associate with Daigo !
But I haven't lost any respect for him, the Ryu nerfs are getting ridiculous, it'll soon reach a stage where he won't even have a fireball anymore!!! But we must remember Daigo is a competitor, and competitors like to win and he clearly feels he can't do this anymore with Ryu, at least, not as much as he would like to, anyway!
And on a personal side, if he changes, so what! I would never pick some low tier character and lose 50 matches on a daily basis soley because of the love of the game, hell no, I enjoy competing and winning but in saying so I wouldn't pick a character I would win lot but at a great cost of my enyoyment for the game! For me it has to be a happy balance of winning and enjoying the game, although I must admit though it will be more skewed towards winning as that is what makes the game fun for me. Surely a great champion and competitor like Daigo must feel the same and we must remember that winning is even more paramount as video gaming is now his profession!
@ 76
I seriously doubt that. Let's just call it what it is. Daigo is tier-whoring it right now. Unless he was just lying, Daigo kept saying during the interview that fireball characters are done. Shoryuken moves are mostly good because it complimented fireball characters very well.
In all honesty, you should lose respect for Daigo if he switches from Ryu.
How hypocritical can you guys get? So many people always use the saying "It's the PLAYERS rather than the CHARACTERS that determine whether you win." And then Mr. Street Fighter himself is jumping ship to Yun.
Come on, doesn't anyone else see the irony.
Toyoizumi: And what about Akuma? He was one of the top tiers in Vanilla.
Umehara: Hmm.. I think Ken is now a better shoto than Akuma. I think both Ryu and Akuma are in the upper tier, but they’ll have a hard time against Yun, Yang, and Fei Long. So that’s why I don’t think I’ll be using Ryu. It’s fine if you have a few bad match ups, but when it’s against most of the cast… Also, Makoto seems to be a lot stronger than I thought she’d be. I like how good her crouching light kick is. And her rushdown seems really strong. Her Ultra 2 (Abare Tosanami) has gotten buffed so you can’t throw fireballs. And when you can’t zone her out, she’s in the advantage. She might be a solid upper tier character. Though she doesn’t stand a chance against Yun and Yang (laughs). But she’s solid overall.
Do you think? This a top tier player? Giving up on hin Main just bacanes got a little weaker? OMG i wouldnt do that! At all. I have been Main Rosetta since vanilla, And it doesnt matter what they do to her. I won't change my main because that's like change me. It's funny cause he said in another interview that he love ryu since super street fighter 2 and well look now, he just give up on him cause he said that Yun has more chances to win against everybody else in the game! Jesus christ daigo. For me you're bottom tier, I mean underground tier to be more honest. I just hope that other gamers doesn't follow this guy foot steps, even if you keep thinking that your character is weak play, keep playing with him or her, and no matter what. Never give up! That's my advice. Daigo You suck balls man!
Everyone knows Daigo is a pro gamer so he makes most of his income from it. So for him to say "I'm maining Yun now" is nothing. I don't understand why people are "losing respect" for him because he switched and he's a hypocrite, etc or "I never had respect for him to begin with." You guys are taking this WAY too seriously. Daigo changing his main from Ryu to Yun is like a career change. If you can't profit from one path, it's common sense to change. You're just hard headed if you decide to stick with a path when you know this path you're going isn't going to work. Plan and simple.
Whatever Daigo decides to do, I respect him for it. Geez people, you have to understand, it's his life. Who are we to criticize and bash him about what decisions he makes just because he is famous? We don't have a right to. A player should just pick his main character regardless if the character is low tier or high. In the first place, this is a GAME after all, and part of playing a game is to have fun,that's the whole point of playing games. In Daigo's casE however, it is also making money and doing everything possible to win in tournaments since it's part of his livelihood now. I don't even know if he quit being a nurse altogether in order to really commit himself to being a full time "professional" gamer.
Personally, I will be giving yun and yang a try as well as other new characters that may eventually come out to find out if I like them or not. As someone who doesn't go to tournaments and who just plays the game casually online, I really don't care about tiers so much. All I care about is having fun playing with the character/s that I play with online.
Also, I agree with what others are saying here, the game is barely even three days old and people love to talk tiers already. And don't forget that those are just Daigo's first impressions about the game and the characters. In time, I'm sure there will be lots more to be discovered and possibly even disproved.
You guys crack me up.
Did you guys moan when Mago switched from Sagat to Fei Long?
Did you moan when Momochi switched from Akuma to Ken?
Did you moan when Marn switched from Rufus/Viper to Dudley?
Iyo changing from Dhalsim to Ibuki?
MDR from Rufus to Fei Long?
Kindevu from Rufus to Cammy/Viper?
Akimo from Honda to Dee Jay?
Or Sako dropping Cammy?
And countless others not needed to be mentioned.
Most of you ignorant chimps don't even know half of these guys, yet you bitch about the best in the world changing his main.
Daigo gets so much unjustified hate. His haters are 100x worse than his fanboys.
I for one am looking forward to see how he's going to play Yun.
Grow the f' up and play the game instead of hating on others. Pathetic.
Alot of people don't like playing with severe disadvantages. It just so happens these people are the ones playing to win. Daigo said himself he enjoys playing solid, well-rounded characters, so if Ryu isn't going to have those attributes anymore, it's obvious he's eventually going to consider changing to a character that fits his preferences more. You can even look back to the interview kenzo had with Air. Air said himself he might drop Ryu since he keeps getting nerfed.
Really, why do you people think we rarely see mid to low tier characters in tournaments? Obviously if people didn't tier whore we'd be seeing more Hakan, Guy and Makoto players and less Balrog, Chun and Bison players in tournaments. Tier whoring is old news and common in the tournament scene. As I said, Daigo expressed an interest in Yun before he was revealed, now he's in the game and happens to be good so Daigo is using him. Get over it.
1) Anyone that says they've "lost respect for Daigo" over this is being overdramatic. He's still Daigo and he's still going to be a top player.
2) Anyone that has ever said Ryu is a weak character in Super after "all the nerfs" is just wrong. Ryu was a strong character in Vanilla and was definitely still a strong character in Super; the "nerfs" were more "fixes". There was no decision Daigo or any other Ryu player had to make in the transition--there were no significant "nerfs" that made him unplayable (contrary to what the drama queens here may say by believing Daigo was doing it as a "stubborn champion" as one of you put it).
3) He's switching characters now that he's found one stronger. ...And? If he feels Yun is the character that gives him the best chance to win, that's that. He and everyone else free of delusion knew that Ryu was high tier in both Vanilla and Super due to how well he can approach a myriad of match-ups, and now Daigo feels the same about Yun. You guys need to get over it. -Already-.
No more respect for that stupid counter pick characters just because of they sake of winning! Miserable, I can't believe that! He's such a pussy
I forgot to add that these people (Daigo, jwong, Mike Moss, etc) are playing to win. These people aren't just entering these tourneys to "casually" play and have fun. They want to win and take YOUR money. That's it.
If you want to earn some money you have to drive the best possible machine, Daigo is not stupid, he makes a living of this game so he will use the best tools so you in the USA would still give him your work money. It may be noob, it maybe dishonorable, but if it makes you a winner then it's alright...it's the american way!
He can use who he wants. He's already gotten all the respect he's gonna get from using Ryu and rightfully so. The guy's a beast and I dont blame him for switching to yun. Especially since capcom intentionally nerfed all these characters then put superpowered yun and yang in it. Their balancing makes no since and I still cant figure out the reason behind these changes but hey this is the way they do things. Play to win. GO DAIGO!!!
I doubt Daigo will do well in MVC3. It's not his style of game. He's better at slow paced games. That's why he's not considered all-pro when it comes to the likes of Guilty Gear, Blazblue, King of Fighters, and so on.
He is and will probably be proficient in those games, but it's just not his style of game.
A couple updates ago, Tokido talked about Blazblue and how he can't beat the pros of Japan for that game. That will be the same for Daigo. I seriously think that no matter how much he practices, he won't be "great." Good but not great.
Source: I saw him play Blazblue... he sucked.
@50
I was trying, in a refined way, to tell that I think following tiers is bs... x)
I know how the tier lists works, I was just expressing my opinion about them, which I said, and you even confirmed.
@91
Haters hate for some weird cultic/religous reason about how another person plays.
People don't understand that even tho he might enjoy the game, he will probably not always "play for fun" like the rest does, going all: "It's just a game...". He lives for this stuff, partly.
And some have no reason what so ever in their comments.
So yeah... gotta agree there.
I'll also add that some comments are literally scary.
Next week, be ready for the first AE tournament ! Get hype !
@ 110
Mainly through how he does in tourneys and such. Now granted, he probably hasn't played Blazblue at all since the first couple months of it being out (that's when there were some videos online).
What are the types of games that he dominates in? Super Street Fighter IV now and 3rd strike previously. Along with a little bit of HD remix. Those are all slow paced games.
Everyone plays games that they are good/better at. Even Tokido admitted that he can't play Blazblue well. He is a good player but not great.
Just because you are the best in one won't mean you will be the best in another. The only person I've seen that can consistently do GREAT in all fighting games is J. Wong.
Examples: There are vids of Kaqn (one of the best Blazblue players) SF. He is good but he couldn't beat any of the pros like Haneyama and Daigo. But the reverse is true also. Kaqn would never lose to Daigo or Haneyama or even Tokido if they were playing Blazblue.
@73
You're right... some of us are taking this too "personal"... I guess switching characters it's alright if it is to become a better player... I've switched from sagat in Vanilla to Makoto in SSF4, and i'm thinking to use a top-tier character as my alternate (to counter makoto's problems as low-tier aganist some characters), but the way you talk it's like you were hanging around with the pros... we write here and comment about the SF4 scene because we are just SF4 players trying to be better, what we wrote it's just an opinion.
@#115, 118
Daigo did have a short run in Guilty Gear(Dustloop Days) where he did very well for a game he admits he could not keep up afterwards(as in later editions). Beating Kaqn a couple times even.
Plus, Darkstalkers.
So, there is a precedent.
But yeah, he is mostly an SF person.
I CANT BELIEVE NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT 'THE RUMORED 6 NEW CHARACTERS'. (yun yang)THERE AINT NONE WTF. GOT TROLLED BY CAPCOM. NO ALEX,ROLENTO,KARIN ETC. wtH the ae has been out for nearly 2 days and no footage of shin akuma or evil ryu.
still no confirmation of console dlc.
IM GIVING UP SSF4, GOING MORTAL KOMBAT. FUK U LIL ONO STICK THAT BLAANKA TOY UP YOUR ARSE.
im going to kill myself i have no honour
A lot of the comments' authors here are unable to construct well-thought arguments to support their way-off-the-mark statements. In addition to that they are mostly incapable (in the first place) of reading comprehension - please, before posting, read thoroughly and read over what you're about to say. What most of you are all doing is picking one small portion of the entire text, then taking it out of its intended context and then re-interpreting it in your own selfish I-know-it-all manner. Alot of you are very good at it.
The once not-as-strong non-projectile characters have now been adjusted to a point to where they are now able to stand up against the projectile characters (according to Daigo's analysis). It isn't as much the case of the fireball characters being nerfed as you mostly all claim to understand (of which, very little).
Losing respect because of someone else's choice? Since when does Daigo, or all of us here for that matter, have to adhere to your standards?
I won't bother naming, you know who you are.
@ 120
Yeah, but I'm not saying he's going to be bad. He will be good, but never great. I seriously doubt that those types of games are what he excels at.
I beat Online Tony before. It was only one game but still, it made me happy haha. Then the next person in endless was a 800 PP Gief who just 360 spammed me for the win.
Everyone can lose. But the better players win in the long run. That's the point I'm trying to make.
With that said, I would like to see Daigo play MVC3. I have my doubts but it would be very hype to see a Wong vs. Daigo match.
Ha ha no more Ryu scrubs scrubbing it up online, with their constant DP mashing. I don't care as I've been playing Makoto since Super Street Fighter dropped and I beat a lot of people with her. I've always thought to myself, what if they made her a bit stronger... well now, they have!
I can't wait to meet the scrubby Ryu's online. All the characters that always had more than Makoto... well, not any more. When AE hits, I'll be crushing the life out of all the sh it bags online.
And as a Makoto player, I'm not scared of Yun and Yang. I love a confrontation, it's even better for me. I'm going to destroy the lot of you. Only today I took down a stinking Zangief, a stinking Dhalsim, a stinking Ryu and a stinking Balrog. I actually put Balrog in the corner with my mental Makoto. I look forward to AE... and even more, I look forward to destroying the lot of you overpowered scrubs.
If I can destroy people now, just imagine what I'm going to be doing to the lot of you with the buffs. LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOOLOLOL... I can't wait.
Oh wow. What we needed, Zangief to be better. He is by far my worst matchup, regardless of character choice, though I main Gen. I dunno how I feel about these changes. If Daigo's analysis is spot on, AE is gonna be boring tbh. Zangief and (overpowered?) twin fest will quickly grow tiresome.
And so what if he wants to play Yun? Personally, I'll have a go at both twins, they look pretty cool, and Yangs U1 is so awesome it's enough of a reason to play him. xD
As a Chun mainer, I always dreaded dive kick characters but since df.lk got buffed, dive kicks proved totally useless to me unless I was knocked down. The nerf to df.+lk isn't that bad since the priority on it is untouched. For some reason, I don't think I'll actually get scared of facing either of the twins in comparison to how I feel when someone picks Rufus. They can't do their dive kicks at low range leaving them open to df.lk juggle. They also have low health and low damage output so once people figure out their tricks, I think they'll only be top tier in Daigo's mind for the first few weeks of AE's release. Chun wasn't exactly nerfed either so his opinion on Fei Long sounds flawed. Chun is a bad match-up for Fei Long and with the HK Chickenwing losing invincibility, it's just even worse considering Chun's normals have always been better than Fei's and the majority of the cast.
Hahaha! You eventscrubs lost respect for Daigo because he changed character? Are you Ryu fanboys? Get it in your small brains and thick skulls, playing is his job. Think of it like this, you go to a war and you're given the opportunity to choose which weapon you can bring. Are you going to effin' use a swiss knife? Yeah, good luck dying because I know I'd bring the epic gun from the doom movie used by the rock. It's business and survival of the smartest not stupid fanboyism and losing gets you nowhere no matter what angle you stare at it with them oogly eyes. Yeah, I owned your logic.
I dont get it myself. I dont really care what character he uses, im more interested in how he uses them. Daigo has great spacing and solid, reliable execution. Im interested though if he intends to play a pressure game, or a more reserved hit and run style.
Im also interested in seeing how AE shakes up the other pros.
You guys happy they nerfed Ryu? I bet you guys will find someone else to complain about anyway mark my words.
"Posted by NosLived on December 17, 2010 at 2:01 p.m. #27
I've wanted to try Yun as a personal choice. I've wanted to since he was announced. Now I feel like I'll be called out for jumping on some Daigo bandwagon. Tier lists mean nothing to me (My main is Sakura, for what that's worth.), but I hope me playing Yun, even if it's brief, won't get me called a "tool" or something."
Why do you care about that? OMG someone's gonna call me names in a video game!!! Pathetic if you ask me.
yeah that really makes free1up a douche making a joke about a low tier character, what a mean, sadistic person.
now more to the point, the most intresting thing coming out of this article by far is that daigo is going to play mvc3
hes never played a game like that though, and i think he is severely underestimating how strong the Americans are at that game.
hmm.. as Gief is my main I find it hard to believe he is that good I believe Daigo is only saying this because he is (for now anyways) the answer for the twins shenanigans seriously his buffs were more nerfs IMO. Also Gief boring yeah it's way more fun throwing fireballs (sarcasm)
@#140
From the sounds of it gief can ignore their dive kick pressure, most likely due to lariats. And slight chance someone found a good use for U2 and its threatening anything yun can do offensively. And if the twins are anything like their 3s counterpart, their pokes arent gonna be enough to keep gief away.
@141 which is why I'm very sceptical of him saying Gief is this good altogether... Especially after the Zangitan video
Sweet. I can't wait to see these scrubs attempting to learn Yun in laggy online matches lol.
Ranked Match Scrub - "Oh noes! I'm dropping target combos! This lag iz teh ghey!"
Me - "Welcome to the last 8 months for us low-mid tier players dealing with your mashing..."
@roarmonster
"Severely underestimating"?
Honestly dude, that made no sense, in the same article Daigo stated "I’m sure I won’t be able to win at first."
I don't know how that translated to him underestimating the US. I'm pretty sure he's aware of how good a lot of the americans are. I think he's got his head in the right place, he knows that he'd have to work hard to win, hence why he said he hopes to be able to win in a year or 2 which is pretty realistic. It may not work out, but it'll be interesting to see his attempts at least
@ 135
I never said Daigo wasn't good. Just not great. There's a difference. And yes he won Darkstalkers twice. One in 1997 and one in 2007, but almost 95% of his tourney wins came from a street fighter type game. None of his guilty gear wins came in Japan, they were either in America or England (which are FREE). He is proficient in Darkstalkers, but like I said, he is and probably will never be the best.
Daigo even said before that in japanese tourneys, the best player doesn't always win because it's single elimination in Japan. So if you are to take his history into consideration, then it's very easy to see that Street Fighter's play-style is what Daigo is best at.
@ 139
I was very surprised that Daigo said he was going to try MVC3. Most Japanese players don't like Mahvel. I don't think he's being cocky cause he clearly stated that he knows America is stronger in that game. But I would like to see just how far he can get in that game.
@#142
in the interview he even says that because ex green hand doesnt knock down anymore its gonna be tougher for gief players. It just that against the characters HE thinks are good gief can counter them because they are all flimsy rushdown characters. And both of us being gief players we know what ends up to heavy rush down characters that cant take a hit.
Gief is "ONLY" good cause he can take down the top tiers(yun yang viper fei long), doesnt make him good against the rest of the cast that can keep him out all day and lack of a knockdown is gonna be problematic.
Daigo only player in history to win SBO and EVO in the same game and in the same year. Crispy, Daigo has won several guilty gear tournaments IN JAPAN, stop getting your info from wikipedia.
Daigo is good, but not great? At what? a fighting games? Street fighter games?
Lol n00bs getting more and more ridiculous.
@ 147
I would like to see some proof. Maybe I'm wrong with what he won, but I still stand by what I said. Why are you so butt-hurt? I gave my opinion, did some research to back up what I said and gave a good argument.
Don't take what I said out of context and then act like a smartass. If all you are going to do is dick-ride then it's better that you stay out of this. Sounding intelligent is something you can't do.
@146 Which is why I find it kind of foolish him proclaiming him to be so good if he doesn't even main him or even bothored to face all his bad match ups aside from Sagat... It feels like he is only talking about dmg output mostly though
Hmmm Im kind of disappointed, I was hoping yun would'nt be "that" good, to the point that Daigo would actually use him as a main. It's unfortunate, I had plans from the start to use Yun even when people assumed Yang was better. Now people are gonna tier whore Yun. Also im gonna be accused of Tier Whoring which is not the case. Like Daigo I like using characters that are versitile, hopefully we get some suprise new characters besides Yang and Yun. Hopefully.
Also Daigo playing MvC3, that is so awsome.
I don't understand why people worry about who Daigo is playing. If you want to play Yun then play Yun. If someone calls you a tier whore does it affect you that much damn some of you people need to grow a pair.
Seriously?! People are upset about Daigo changing mains? Haha.. Why?! NO ONE complaining has EVER bothered to try another character?! F~CK THAT! There is a variety of fighters and no one is forcing anyone to play as just one. If something is legal in the game then uh "it's in the game." He wasn't playing as Ryu all this time because it was incredibly challenging to win with him! He used him because he is well armed to deal with the cast! Winners go into a game as prepared as they can be to uh....win. Maybe he changes mains maybe not, but who freakin cares? Quit yer bitchin and hit random select yourself!!
@#150
more than just damage output, He feels that gief can punish most of yuns moves on block except a spaced out shoulder charge it seem and maybe if even that. And him mentioning sagat in as a counter pick for when "he" has to face gief and sagat being upper tier is why he mentioned just him instead of the rest of gief bad match ups.
You dont have to main a character to know its a good one, but his reasoning on it is terrible and its something like this>> gief can murder the top 4 possible character in the game which has a clear advantage over 30+ characters so he must be good<<< sounds like a cruddy mentality.
Judging by videos its seems all of yun moves doesnt push him away from his target much when they block. so im guessing gief can use his 1 frame grab on him all day just waiting around seeing how yun cant really chip gief. So as dhalsims murder his ryu, gief is gonna murder his yun and this time he plans on preparing for it with a pocket sagat or guile just to take out one character...
@ 156
I got the same feeling. That's pretty sad what this game has turned into. Everyone just counterpicks people all day now. I have never seen a fighting game before where character matchups are so important that everyone, even the pros, have to counterpick.
I just played endless game yesterday where I picked Cammy and Fei Long. And then when this guy couldn't beat me with his Ryu and Chun, he started counterpicking me with Guile, Balrog, and Zangief. I worked so damn hard every match to get his life down to a sliver but always came up short and lost. Then he starts messaging me saying that I sucked lol.
The argument of "It's the PLAYER, not the CHARACTER" does not work for this game.
to the *some ignorant fools* see i was right?
ibuki's weaker and has to work even harder not, Told you
and Daigo doesnt Suck because he picks Yun,he has always liked Yun and he likes characters with alot of options but are not weak. so thats Yun, and he appears to be realy good.
whats wrong with that? he always liked yun
@158
man, you took the words right out of my mouth. not just your last line but your story.
those are true scrubs, and the reason why i hate online
AH3>SSF4
hell i think even T6>SSF4 now.
while i love sf, sorry but thats pretty much becoming true
so people are geting all but hurt that there hero diago is revealing himself as a tier whore? Interesting. ALot of people are gonna drop/change characters, look at how long the nerf list is. I wouldnt be surprised to see certain "pro" players disappear altogether because of it. When was the last time u seen ily joe? After they nerfed sagat he disappeared lol, same will happen with ae. People will change or just pack it up and wait for tekken v sf or sf5. Not to mention i dont think many of the beginner/casuals are gonna be on board with buying sf4 for a third time no matter how many changes were made.
@162
Your forgeting sf2 hdr. The definative sf game. A game where low tiers are solid enough to place top 8.
^^
Give the game 6 months and a new installment will come out XD
@164
did they even give super street fighter 4 6 months before coming in and nerfing everything?
Oh BTW Daigo currently has an 89% win rate in the arcade using Yun.
i visited the arcade yesterday and daigo has 29356 BP now with 88.5 win rate.
game over for shotos.
What everyone else said, he's still gonna use ryu but he's taking a break, he will adjust to the arcade edition. I mean we all know his ryu is great, It's not like he's a tier whore, i mean come on, he mained guile and some of cammy, and now he's using yun, like come on, The guy used ryu for years now, He will get tired of a character eventually. We all get breaks you know.
@144
yeah i guess thats true, but even with that the community in japan will be much smaller for this game in my mind
honestly i cant really see him beating justin, yipes, sanford, etc.......in a matter of a year, but your right, it will be intresting to see his attempts
i cant believe theres so many trolls on this websight that him maining yun, which honestly i saw coming, is over shadowing him GOING TO PLAY MVC3 >:(
Daigo isn't playing online, he's traveling across the world in big tournaments. He should be doing what's effective and only what's effective. What's effective is not relevant to you wanting him to stay with Ryu.
Capcom makes some stupid *** nerfs, which is exactly why he feels the way he does about his character. Ryu had good tools (options). If those options put him at too much risk, he obviously has to roll with someone that gives him better options. Something like cr.MK is essential, yet it got nerfed either because scrubs couldn't deal with it or just for the hell of it. If fireball characters won't be as good anymore, then it should be obvious that Yun will be a good pick for him.
I don't know anything about Ryu now, I'm sure he'll be a solid mid-upper tier character. The game is just being released after all...Daigo might return to Ryu and keep Yun as a secondary.
I don't get why anybody would lose respect for him. He plays for himself, he's not playing to satisfy you.
Can't see why people are whining...there's only so much nerfing you can tolerate before you just pick-up a character that scrubs haven't gotten mangled, can't blame him at all.
None of those characters really needed nerfing, noone did, because the game was even better balanced than vanilla and very fun.
None the less bad players kept whining about bison or guile and they still couldnt figure out how to counter blanka ball, so developers made the mistake of trying to appease them. Btw, vanilla sagat was bad for that game, but was very manageable considering if you've played any other game.
Magneto in children of the atom, THAT would have been broken if he was playable.
One of the reason I believed Daigo is not going to use Ryu because Capcom nerfed c. medium. Seriously, we see Daigo do c. medium -> Hadouken/Shakunetsu/Shinku in most of his matches, and polar strike does less damage which sucks.
Lol Daigo