RyanCE transcribed a Q&A session that was held with the Marvel vs. Capcom 3 developers that contained a few interesting notes about the characters who were and were not included.
• The Thing was considered at one point, but they felt he would be too similar to Hulk.
• Human Torch was a completed character, but he ate up too much RAM and had to be taken out.
• Marvel suggested Super-Skrull as a Human Torch replacement.
• To balance the roster out, Niitsuma wanted to include a young Marvel female, and ultimately X-23 was decided on.
• Niitsuma intentionally held off Spider-Man's announcement until the Tokyo Game Show because he is a popular character in Japan.
• Marvel was reluctant to grant permission to include Shuma-Gorath, but Capcom convinced them that he is popular and an important part of the series history.
• Shuma-Gorath was the first Marvel character that Capcom proposed to Marvel — and he may have originally been planned as an on-disc character.
• Felicia has yet to appear in an official English language gameplay video because of the ESRB.
Pointed out by John Z and an anonymous reader.
Who the hell thinks Shuma-Gorath is popular???
Oh wait, Japan and their tentacle rape fetishists do. Now it all makes sense.
(• To balance the roster out, Niitsuma wanted to include a young Marvel female, and ultimately X-23 was decided on.)
What a horrible way to piss off Jubilee fans.
(• Niitsuma intentionally held off Spider-Man's announcement until the Tokyo Game Show because he is a popular character in Japan.)
Yet another reason those people who thought it had something to do with licencing issues should get a grip. Bobby Kotick is not Marvel or God.
Not enough Ram for the human torch, i'm pretty sure it's the xbox that didn't have enough ram as the ps3 has more... once again games can't reach their full potential cos they need to cater for the aging Xbox360 :( they could have made human torch a arcade/ps3 exclusive
Yea i agreed with others here in adding jubilee, seeing how she was an assist on mvc1. But then again X-23 is more recent character with her own comic book series going on i believe so it makes sense to use her instead of using old news.
@#11 they both have the same amount of RAM of 512, just 360 it is shared between the GPU and CPU. And the ps3 256 to GPU and 256 to CPU but it runs much fast than 360s one i believe. And dude its because of the way that is, its actually catering to the ps3 cause the 360 can use more ram in other areas cause its shared and the ps3 cannot share between itself due it being split X_X
@#18
think one of the post last week excluded venom for similar reason. And human torch, unlike just dormammus head, its his whole body so probably both animation and particle effects. I know you see the heat haze effect on C.viper burn kick and what not, they probably wanted to do something like that all the time with him moving around. And worst yet is to have one on each team side would be devastating to the poor systems
Dropping torch is a smart move, I can image the load he would put on the GPU, especially with him constantly changing and all.
I'm still ehhhhhhh over this roster, every now and then they drop someone interesting (spencer) then we get She-Hulk. and I agree with all the people here about jubilee. I think we'll have what we want eventually, because I highly doubt this game won't follow the normal capcom model. I hope everyone is ready for Super Mvc3 lol
felicia is too sexy for the US xD
i thougt americans are only afraid of nipples..
i dont want to offend americans, but the relation between guns and sex in the media seems twisted to the rest of the world ^^
peace
(i'm german. our rating system is twisted the other way)-_-
The real question is: ... whats wrong with tentacle porn really?
Felicia...lol,it seems like she was the sole reason MvC3 was made.
i wish Gene was a cat man...so he also be in the game.
@suicine94
At this point both consoles are a laughing stock - with recently released and upcoming titles, neither is able to deliver all initially advertised "Next-Gen Features" at once - some might blame the engine programmers though ;P
(Omg guys, Felicia isn't in the US version of the game!
PANIC!)
It's too bad the Human Torch did not make it into the full game. That............really is too bad. ;(
Same goes for Ghostrider and the Silversurfer which is understandable. Beyond just their transportation as the culprits, they're combat cabilities are laughable at best, but Capcom could have atleast model them after Scorpion and Iceman's fighting style while incorporating their trademarks in some form.
For example, Capcom could have incorporated SS's surfboard as part of a air rave combo after a superjump while GR's biker could have served as part of a hyper combo or something. Thing is, they could have pulled them off if they tried. They did for She-Hulk, and she had a random vehicle pop out of nowhere. Lol
How are they "laughable at best" ?
Ghost rider is basically a street brawler and with his chain he could have easily done as much as the bionic commando dude .
With the addition of flames on the chains ... maybe the bike in a lvl 3 ( after all she-hulk's lvl 3 makes a car appears) , and minds games for at least another hyper .
I only agree that silver surfer would be weird on foot without his surfing board
Stupid, sexy Felicia.
The Thing being too similar to the Hulk sounds like strange reasoning, considering they added X-23 in spite of Wolverine. While I know the two play differently, on concept alone, they sound like they'd fight the same much like Thing/Hulk.
Though, I don't care that much over the F4, so their exclusion doesn't bother me. Just found the logic interesting.
@eclipsekirby
Feels like she's wearing nothin' at all, nothin' at all, nothin' at all!
@Sektah84
Precisely ... finally someone who gets it . Characters and their popularity come and goes . What was popular at Marvel comics back in the mvc2 days isnt necessarily now in 2010 .
The xmen franchise isnt the most important anymore or at least share the spotlight .
Jubilee wasnt relevant to the xmen since the 90s . To the point they even deemed her a easy target for the mass mutant depowering that happened a few years back .
Jubilee only made her return these past 2 months , and hardly as her old juvenile and cheerful self .
Shuma-Gorah IS popular. He's in Marvel Super Heroes for the Arcade and PS1, Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter, in a stage background in X-Men vs. Street Fighter, and in someone's ending if I recall.
How would anyone not like a "God-Being" that's like Cthulhu¿!
Gambit, and some others may be DLC for later. You guys are behaving as if the roster is fixed and will never ever change.
I remember reading that other characters would most likely be added as DLC if it could be done.
The Thing is too similar to the Hulk, yet we get X-23 and Wolverine. I understand they are different in gameplay and Marvel history, but that doesn't mean they aren't similar. I feel the X-23 slot could've been better used for another "young Marvel female". I personally would've loved to see Domino, but she's not very popular and probably wouldn't fit very well. Oh well, pretty satisfied with the rest of the roster regardless.
@ #20
The blurring heat effect on Viper's flame kicks are only there because of the ESRB frowning on setting people on fire. It's not actually in the game, which if you think about it, is a good thing.
Never heard of Shuma-Gorath, nor X-23 I wish they'd pick someone I knew
I'm really hoping the Dot or Spot, Spiderman's old dimension jumping adversary is in the game guy could be so interesting to play, and fight against, he could combo you form across the screen D: it could be a kick ass addition to the fighter genre as
Has anybody else got some character they been thinking of they think will add another dimension to the game, maybe that blue teleporter thingy with the demon's tail we got enough big bruisers and big projectile chars, something else is called for something cool
@#48
Sure enough by now capcom cant really come up with a unique movelist with the big characters. Hulk with a command grab body charging move in air or ground, colossus ground and air body charge and command grab that is also blockable like hulks, juggy had a command grab in xvsf and msh and body charging moves(altho i miss juggy punch LOLOL). And im sure enough Thing being slow and bulky would follow the same pattern.
and as for X-23 being smaller and nimble allows for more flexibility in movements
So we have Niitsuma to thank for X-23 and Shuma?
Wow, I think he might actually be worse at making roster decisions than Yoshinori Ono as unbelievable as that seems. I bet he's behind Trish as well.
@52....... I'm just going to laugh all day after you made that super skrull is ugly comment. Lol thats the reason you don't like him? Plus the fact that hes annoying.... lol
if it was about popular characters being used in the game aside from msp,cable,sentinel, gambit and cyclops would have no problem being in mvc3 as dlc because people use them heavy in mvc2 if thats the real reason shuma is in the game.
Felicia is pretty much completely censored in the West, due to the fact that her only notable character traits are being a furry AND showing more skin than Mai Shiranui.
So why is she in the game again?
Shuma popular and important?
Um...please somebody, ANYBODY say that he was a popular choice in a vs game.
Important...YEAH...to Tentacle-loving Japanese Otakus!
And what a shocker, Shuma was the FIRST character Capcom wanted from them...NOT!
Felicia and Shuma...Proof that Japan made Cast Decisions based on their Penis'
LOL what's with capcom and listening to fan requests.... is this gonna be a nother dev request game?
Shuma-Gorath really? Their first marvel choice was him? Lol i understand he's the history of Marvel vs games but T-hawk has in been SF2 SFALPHA and now SF4 are they gonna continue to add that lame character in future games and say he's popular because he's been in others?
CAPCOM you xenophobic bastards you need to stat listening to your fans....also cater to western fans your Japanese fanbase could care less about buying your games.
Street Fighter 4 arcade was not even top 5 and barely top 10...AE won't be any different... then you're fanbase would rather go to play the game in arcade than buy the game (SSF4) and it still did not become that popular.
That's probably because you rather cater to japanese audience while the western audience will show our loyalty with our wallets...but we're treated more like 2nd class citizens when it comes to fan service.
Diago is smart and wont even bother with AE because he knows the tournament scene in US is better....Tokido and Mago seem to be fallowing suite too.
I'm honestly tired of everyone saying Shuma got in cause "lol tentacles XD AM I FUNNY YET LOL JAPAN"
Come on, he's the incarnation of Chaos in the Dr. Strange comics. He fits in a game like this perfectly. Plus I'm honestly surprised he made it in. If Human Torch ate up too much RAM I'm surprised Shuma's Shape Shifting doesn't.
@Sogmor.
Most of the people here aren't that well versed in older comics lore. Or they'd see the awesomeness of Shuma. This is the same being who makes Mephisto and Satannish look like babies.
He's the most popular amongst the many-angled ones to me.
I feel as if Capcom is ignorant and decided to choose characters out of random though some characters I appreciate such as Super-Skrull, Wesker and even Arthur.
lol seeing how vs series wasnt popular in japan and so far seems like 2 characters out the whole roster was cater to japanese audience is somehow we get shatted on in terms of fan service?
Maybe its cause japan doesnt really give crap about it is why they are trying to get their own people to buy the game and get into it. Just think of it, your home country dont want to buy your game. How would that make you feel.
@#66 ive noticed shuma moves and twist around alot, but i dont really see him shape-shifting alot. On his command throw and command normal move where he turns into stone and drops down, and well a spike ball is well just that capcom is good at rolling up their models lol. Human torch from what capcom made of it a fully living flame and human model and having 2 of them on the screen at the same time is not a good thing with everything else going on. It said he was finish but i guess he was causing too much instability.
@66 and 67 Exactly,being biased towards japan and saying they have tentacle rape fetish or something like that makes no sense at all,they will say he sucks because they never read the comic books he is in.
Wouldn't mind jubilee,capcom said they wanted a "young" marvel female,jubilee was young back in 1999,but it's almost 2011 now,so i can see why they did that.
Also for the people saying i wish they would put in characters i know,the whole point of this game is to have characters in that people wouldn't normally know,mostly due to people who play vs series don't read comic books most of the time.Time for the new characers to get in on the spotlight.
@ 67
So Japan Capcom wanted Shuma over Wolverine and Spiderman?
Trust me, Japan dont know JACK about what's happening in American Comics. Most Japanese stores are not allowed to have Foreign comics in their shops EXCEPT Kinokuniya. When I was in Japan I asked, and their reason was a very small percent of Japanese can read that advance level of English. Thus, they dont bother buying Foreign books.
Trust us, it's DEFINATELY the tentacles! Put Hentai and Tentacles in your Google Search...ONLY JAPAN!!!
What the hell, just have Superman as DLC, that would solve everyone's problem.. lol. He's the best after all.
@76
Shuma and Spider-Man were definite yes for tihs game. Oh really, and Japanese stores aren't allowed to have Western comics...please cut the bullcrap. I lived in Japan before coming to the U.S and they do know their comics.
Every character from Marvel in this game has been seen recently in the comic world.
Damn kiddies getting uppity about characters in a fighting game.
@77 japanese don't deserve to get anyone imo they don't even support capcom fighting games unless it has lolis and tentacle monsters.. Shuma Gorath did not push MvC series popularity there and with good reason. He sucks as a MvC fighting game character in comparison to other much better characters.
Shuma-Gorrath isnt even cool or popular enough to make it on any marvel cartoons.
Capcom has this all wrong and you can't cater to both markets with a genre and style such as this.... stop releasing characters based on your fetish and tastes and release multi-million dollar characters that's well known all around the world.... Shuma-Gorath could be someone like Cyclopes, Silver Surfer, Gambit, Ghost Rider, etc.... and Felicia could of been John Talbain not that he's a multi million dollair character but the Werewolf image he brings definately is.
Japanese are too proud and xenophobic and they are holding themselves back for a reason..........Shenji Makami and Irafune are left Capcom for a reason.... it's too bad Ono did'nt leave with them because he sucks....Ryota Sitsuuma iu still havent made a complete assessment yet but he looks to be going the ono route.
I don't know about the rest of you but,I find the character roster to be pretty good. Afterall, I have my favorite character from the x-men(x-23)along with dante,spider-man,zero,etc...
You only need three characters that you would want to play as anyway.
Its just immature for any of you to bring up the whole tentacle hentai thing to begin with.
Shuma is in because he's a power house and the incarnation of chaos. He was actually feasible in MVC2 and MSHVSSF as a character as well. The fact that I can't have a conversation about an interesting character on here without someone going "Lol tentacle hentai XD LOLOLOLOL" just shows how immature this place is.
The fact that Shuma was considered from the beginning assures me that they've seriously worked on him (hopefully buffed). Can't wait to see him in action with a few new moves. The fact that he's returned is Capcom CATERING to the tradition of the series and its more iconic and unusual characters.
@BryceT, I've seen Shuma at work in previous installments and he could seriously go to work with some nasty resets (Marvel Superheroes).
I figured alot of the peolpe here would be happy at the inclusion of jill and shuma as dlc, guess I was wrong.
@88: No one's focusing on Jill because they think tentacle jokes are a better way of conversing.
@64: Call of Cthulhu is...calling your name.
dont know why ppl want the HumanTorch and all those other characters that would OVERSHADOWED by the new ones
like they said s.skrull IS the fantastic 4!
blackheart v. dorma= dorma has more/better moves
strider v. wesker= dante wesker and dante can teleport, dante has ALOT of options like strider(but strider would be overwhelemed by dante) why hav 2 of a kind and wesker is a counter/teleporting character. striders the dan to the ryu and ken
deadpool v. cyclops, gambit and other characters tht fall around his style.
if you cant understand think of all the ppl gone and thnk about who replaced them and why.
Praise Cthulu. He will destroy you all.
Mmm. These lemon squares are delicious.
I think everybody who complains should just buy the game and if they dont like it ok but just stop complaing about it cuz ur actin as if we won't get dlc and we haven't even seen mvc3 gameplay for shuma or Jill so just stop complaining k thanks =]
Who cares about the fantastic four? Skrull does it all, and better than any of those characters.
Now, Shuma Gorath was a pleasant surprise. He was my main in MSH, and so strong once you learned him it was disgusting. Chaos Dimension in MvC3 better be an acid trip that does 60% damage because I'm sure it will be his lvl3.
Ummmm....... not to throw off the subject, but isn't SSF4AE releasing in Japan on the 18th of this month? If that is correct, then I am starting to fear that the four previously released characters ( yun/yang, Ryu, Akuma )are the only ones who will make it into the game. I hope that there will be more announcements soon. If not, I guess we can wait a little more. I mean, its been this long already, right ?
It's amazing how hatred for a character can lead to culture bashing. The internet never ceases to amaze me.
The ESRB is way off it's rocking chair...especially if what I hear about the 'blur' effect in C. Viper's MvC3 videos is true (that it's due to the fact ESRB doesn't approve of catching people on fire or something like that). Can anyone confirm if this is true or not?
I'm just gonna bring up how in X-men vs. Street Fighter, Rogue could copy other people's powers. It took up too much RAM, so they took it out in MvC2 so they could put more fighters into the mix.
I enjoyed this decision!
Stop and think about the roster. I did, and honestly it helped.
Captain America - He's usually my front man in 2.
Deadpool - Hilariously awesome and kick ass not to mention cool looking.
Thor - Been waiting for him since MVC1. A favorite.
Dante - Seriously, he's going to be played all the time.
Wesker - Yes.
Chris - Cool. Like him.
Iron Man - Hyper Unibeam.
X-23 - Very good idea and very cool character.
Doom - Oh my yes.
Viper - They made her look cool in this game. Her moves are better than ever.
Morrigan - Y'all know she was a shoe in. Doesn't make her any less of a good character.
Trish - Yes, the more DMC the merrier.
Viewtiful Joe - I was hoping he'd make it. Needs more exposure.
Super Skrull - Holy crap lookit those moves.
Magneto - Hell yeah. Not broken anymore.
Zero - As awesome as ever.
And that's not all, but I don't want to stretch this out too much. Point is, look at all the cool characters we GOT instead of focusing so much on who we DIDN'T get. I miss Gambit and Cyclops and Strider as much as anyone, but we gotta cope and appreciate the new cast. It's great to see such cool characters made it.
@ 90
So much for the "Powerful" Next Gen? They cant get one character because of Hardware limits. Maybe on Xbox 720?
Im pretty sure PC could handle the RAM limits.
And to that guy who said Im wrong...w/e I lived in Japan too and I know what Im saying. Japan buy/sell stores WILL NOT carry American books of any kind except the one I said. As of 2009, they wouldnt even take my American PS2 for any price.
I wish Cyclops and The Juggernaut would come back ):
But the inclusion of Viper and Wesker make up for it. I also think Doctor Octopus would have been an interesting character in the game.
Shuma-Gorath is a BEAST both in comics and in MVC2,if you dont know how to use him thats because YOU suck with him hes very dangerous in the right hands(like mine),and hes actually a very epic and powerful popular character among REAL Marvel fans (kinda like Modok),also he comes from inspirations from the Necronomicon(look it up) mythos like Kthulu and Tiamat like creatures,Im glad he(and Modok Dormammu etc) made it in to balance out the more kid friendly characters like V.Joe(who i like btw)and Ameterasu(i like aswell).Good call on replacing Human Torch with Super Skrull since hes all 4 in one and hes simply much more badass than the The Fantastic 4 put together,PLUS he basically already has all of Human Torch's signature special moves.Dam ESRB and their crazy soccer mom ratings!Insane violence is perfectly fine but a cartoony sexy cat girl isnt?
@107
If you specify who "REAL" fans of Marvel are by who agrees with YOUR opinion, you're being a jackass. Just because I'm not a MODOK fan doesn't make me "not a real, pureblood Marvel fan". That's like saying "If you don't like Strider, you aren't really fan of Capcom, no matter how much you like their work or buy their products."
All I'm saying is your post reeks of fanboy elitism, whether you meant it to or not.
Also, Shuma-Gorath is awesome, I agree.
Motherf***er made a VOODOO DOLL OF THE EARTH.
Now let's put the good Doctor in and we're set. :D
@110 All im trying to say is,"if you dont like Strider,you aren't really fan of Capcom".just kiding,what i was saying is that alot people rag on characters like Modok or Shuma because they look f***n wierd,and they prefer like Cyclops(who i also wish was in),which is understandable but they dont seem to look into the characters story, powers, etc first before judging it and hating on them,thats all.Yea i gues i did come of a little fanboyish though:P,Overall im just hyped for this game and even though some of my favorite characters arent in(Nightcrawler,X,Gambit,Commando or Venom),a whole lot of them are and im really diging the roster its really good.Now im just waiting for classic Megaman.I agree Shuma is awesome,i didnt know he made a voodoo doll of earth!SICK!
No, must of us hate Shuma because
a) Japan Fetish come to life
b) He wasnt popular in any game. He was just there not being used by most people
c) It's ANOTHER easy port for Capcom (Take and MvC character and their moves add 1 or 2 and call it a day)
2c) NEW Villians to the Vs game get cut again.
Let's have a poll and see who's more popular for the MvC3 demographic? (Marvel Fans)
Shuma Gorath Vs. Green Goblin, Carnage, KingPin, DareDevil, Bullseye, Elektra, Emma Frost, Lady DeathStrike, SQUIRREL GIRL!!!
-All of the CUT because of Japan's tentacle fetish, LAZY attitude toward deciding characters, and BEATING MK9 to market! not 2 mention "DLC will fix everything attitude"
Just talk about the god damn game. Enough with the culture bashing. (about my damn country too) First of all, like another guy was saying; STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT CHARACTERS WHO DIDN'T MAKE IT IN. I'm also disappointed that Strider and Gambit (and possibly Jin) aren't coming back, but this is a BRAND NEW GAME. Enough with the "Capcom uber suxors because they don't have character X in it" and "HERP DERP IM NOT BUYIN THIS GAME NO MORES" crap. Of all the choices made so far, Capcom has made them for GOOD reasons. X-23 made it in over Jubilee since X-23 is not only a newer more marketable character, but times change! Characters that may have been popular back in the 90's may no longer be popular! Human Torch requires 2 MODELS to run at the SAME TIME. That is overkill on the RAM, not only the fact that his flame model is CONSTANTLY animated! Shuma-Gorath wasn't added because "Herp derp, JAPAN WANTED HIM BECAUSE HE HAS TENTACLES AND ALL JAPANESE ARE PERVERTS", but because he is an almighty and frankly, GREAT character in the Marvel stories. He was also great in the other Marvel fighting games made thus far! Also remember, characters that aren't added on the disc now MAY come as DLC. There are multiple reasons why they won't add them right on the disc, and I can name 2 of them right now!
1. The character may be far from completion.
2. Remember, this game has a STORY this time, so they may not fit it.
Personally, as much as I like Street Fighter characters (and I REALLY want Cammy in it) I think we're good. Besides Ryu and Chun who are the Male and Female Icons of the game respectively, C.Viper is to represent the "New blood" of Street Fighter. While Juri can also do this job quite well, I'd prefer to see her as a DLC. Akuma and M.Bison still have a chance as they are the villains of Street Fighter, and Akuma has a huge fanbase in the VS. series, (and the Marvel fighting series in general since he was a Secret Character in X-Men:COTA) Besides those characters though, I'm sure we're good on SF representatives in the game.
Also, don't complain about characters that DID make it in the game by saying "OMG CAPCOM IS RETARDED THEY PUT A CHARACTER I DON'T KNOW ABOUT AND THEY ARE THEREFORE DUMB"
As another guy was saying, do your research on the characters BEFORE bashing on bad choices. I don't mean you shouldn't bash on how a character PLAYS (I personally think She-Hulk's playstyle is really boring). I do agree that there may be better choices for character, but that doesn't provide a good reason for WHY a certain character is bad.
To reply to #55- The DMC team actually ASKED to have Trish in the game.
I've BEEN a Capcom fan since I was born (and I don't mean I'm better than other Capcom fans) and I say the game is turning out fine.
@116 Thank god theres finally someone on eventhubs who is mature enough to tell it like it is and not constantly bash everything.Also true about that shuma gorath thing,it's not japan that are the perverts,it's people on eventhubs for having such dirty minds to even think like that.Can't ever have a reasonable conversation without someone being perverted about something.
@116
Amen to that. You have my respect for telling it like it is.
116#. i was agreeing with you till ya mentioned the chars you wanted in as dlc. to me, all of mvsc3 cast fight differently and that alone shows how good the roster is. i really think the game doesnt need anymore. gameplay wise, the only good addition to me is ruby heart. shes kinda like a rush down dormammu. or maybe blackheart, adding more favs just thins out the diversity of the cast. unless they add a character with a completely new strategy, i say leave em out.
everything else you said makes sense. i just feel the game is already good the way it is. its going to be another arcade gem. the idea of dlc is truly not needed. when the popularity dies down, then throw em in.
btw akuma is a clone... i like sf too but akuma is not needed here.
How can people say that all Japanese are into tentacle porn and hentai ect. and then turn around and bash Japan for being "xenophobic"?
Actually, never mind. I'm too familiar with places like this to have to ask that.
I never liked the Fantastic Four. I like a lot of Marvel characters, and have a lighthearted love-hate relationship with some like Puck and M.O.D.O.K., but the Fantastic Four have always been boring and corny to me. Either way, four characters for one series is over-representing it. The same could be said of Street Fighter, and I love Street Fighter.
I'm a Shuma fan I love Robert E Howard's work(where shuma is from) and will be playing him if I get the DLC
going all the way back:
@8
Jubliee was in her late teens in the comic back in the 90's and is considered about early 20's now, since you haven't ever read the comics clearly and only go off the show you wouldn't know that and would believe she's a little kid still
(here's something from 2007 http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__c... )
"Stop and think about the roster. I did, and honestly it helped.
Captain America - He's usually my front man in 2.
Deadpool - Hilariously awesome and kick ass not to mention cool looking.
Thor - Been waiting for him since MVC1. A favorite.
Dante - Seriously, he's going to be played all the time.
Wesker - Yes.
Chris - Cool. Like him.
Iron Man - Hyper Unibeam.
X-23 - Very good idea and very cool character.
Doom - Oh my yes.
Viper - They made her look cool in this game. Her moves are better than ever.
Morrigan - Y'all know she was a shoe in. Doesn't make her any less of a good character.
Trish - Yes, the more DMC the merrier.
Viewtiful Joe - I was hoping he'd make it. Needs more exposure.
Super Skrull - Holy crap lookit those moves.
Magneto - Hell yeah. Not broken anymore.
Zero - As awesome as ever.
And that's not all, but I don't want to stretch this out too much. Point is, look at all the cool characters we GOT instead of focusing so much on who we DIDN'T get. I miss Gambit and Cyclops and Strider as much as anyone, but we gotta cope and appreciate the new cast. It's great to see such cool characters made it."
Exactly.
Let's face it T-Hawk has and will never be popular just because a few people like him =/= majority.
I understand he has some fans but if there were an ugly hairy overweight homosexual with long pink hair wearing a thong and he played like garbage and is bottom tier there will probably be a few people to like him too...does that mean hes popular?
T-hawk was 1% of the fan polls for many character request for crying out loud and they did'nt even include everyone.
After hearing this news, you can see that Capcom has some issues with selecting characters. I had never known in all my years of playing the vs series of Shuma Gorath of being popular. Marvel seems to have a good understanding about their side of the roster, but Capcom is in some type of void right now, totally detached from the fan base. If it was up to me, I'll be firing a bunch of these guys.
I never saw Shuma Gorath in torunaments, or casuals, NEVER. A charge charater in this vs series don't have chances. Capcom team is on drugs, It's sad to see Capcom team only worried in the money, the title will sell, ok. But this is tatsunoko 2 and ppl is not stoopid!
Mr. Clack, you are clearly a racist, culture bashing man-child for this tantrum you've been throwing. You're everything that's wrong with this site by far. So, let me go over your points one by one...
No, must of us hate Shuma because
>> Most of us? You've just assumed that, most people could either care less or enjoy Shuma, it's just that loud whiny majority that has the problem.
a) Japan Fetish come to life
>> That's a huge assumption and stupidly ignorant. You're bashing a character that was designed by artists here in the states and based around a creature created by a European author and you've tossed all of that history away because of the stereotype that every japanese man wants nothing more than loli and tentacles. It's stupid and racist. Japan likes those unorthodox characters, they always have.
b) He wasnt popular in any game. He was just there not being used by most people
>> Uh, no, Shuma was good in MSH, but in MSH and SF and MVC2 he was simply overshadowed by the big five. By that logic, what's the point of Gambit, or Chun-Li or Morrigan? Hell, why add the Hulk or Spider-Man? They've never been used by high level players. Or why bring back Felicia, she wasn't used.
c) It's ANOTHER easy port for Capcom (Take and MvC character and their moves add 1 or 2 and call it a day)
2c) NEW Villians to the Vs game get cut again.
>>You call it easy port, but how many people would complain if they threw out all of the old characters because they don't want to be 'LAZY'. Spider-Man is another easy port, let's not add him. Oh, Wolverine has been done? Throw him out. As for Shuma taking up some new villains spot, that's retarded, you have no idea what Shuma took from the roster if anything. By that logic, I could complain about any character. Sorry you're just mad that whatever character you want isn't in this.
Let's have a poll and see who's more popular for the MvC3 demographic? (Marvel Fans)
Shuma Gorath Vs. Green Goblin, Carnage, KingPin, DareDevil, Bullseye, Elektra, Emma Frost, Lady DeathStrike, SQUIRREL GIRL!!!
>> And exactly how would those characters play? Goblin, I'll give you. But the rest of your characters would just bring out moves from every other character already in MVC3.
-All of the CUT because of Japan's tentacle fetish, LAZY attitude toward deciding characters, and BEATING MK9 to market! not 2 mention "DLC will fix everything attitude"
>> I'm not even acknowledging this, it's just pouting and tantrum throwing.
@136
Pardon, the terrible pun, but: way to clean house Lysol!
I agree with you on all of those points, and I'm not even a big fan of Shuma Gorath. I'm sick and tired of the culture bashing here that spawned from peoples dislike of a character that's optional...and free if you preorder the game. It's ridiculous.
Though I must point out a typo in your first line of response, you said 'that loud whiny majority...', I believe you meant 'minority'. Unless I'm perceiving the line wrong...it's two in the morning where I am after all.
Shuma-Gorath is popular with japanese hentai! lol
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Besides, I'd donate RAM to Capcom include Human Torch! WTF! They're PAID to do so! Optmize the models and make it possible! It's not easy? Do they think it's easy to drop 50 bucks and buy their game? No, it's not!
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I'll rent MvC3 BEFORE buy it, hell I will!
@ Lysol
1) Ur comments on B have water because you disproved what I said with examples that cant be questioned. But the characters you chose to counter with would have been chosen anyway. Spider-man, Hulk and Wolverine are ALWAYS popular in EVERY major country. I will give you that Shuma should be in over Gambit because he is a unique design.
2) Capcom wanted Shuma 1st over Spiderman...SPIDERMAN!!!
How can that kind of Bias be over-looked? How important to a majority was Shuma over SPIDERMAN as importance? I dont care if Muhammad started the damn series in the story...if he's not used or popular, cut him for someone people CARE about.
BTW of all the characters in MvC3 look who CAPCOM wants to put on THEIR pre-order shirt!
News Flash CAPCOM...NOBODY BUT YOU TENTACLE LOVING FREAKS CARE ABOUT SHUMA! He's not popular in cartoons, movies or even video games! There is no reason why he should be in over others. Using the BS excuse that he's important to the story points to SF4...good luck explaining that mess of a story. And if Lysol says that people care about the story of SF4...Check the articles up and down on SRK and here.
NOBODY GIVES A SHIZ ABOUT STORY IN FIGHTING GAMES. CHARACTERS-MOVES-STAGES-MUSIC-STORY in that order!
3) About EZ ports, Spider-man is gonna be in by default like Ryu. Spider-Man has TONS of moves and agility but what they do? They gave him his old move set with new properties and a new move and called it a day. Where is his Spider-Sense? What about Wall-Climbing? Hand-Stands? Boxing Web Gloves? Web-Parachute? Hanging foes upside-down? Web-Trap on the ground? Sling Shot? NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING. They gave him his Web-Zip...ONE MOVE!!?? They took away Dr. Doom's Electric Cage...w/e Im getting the game but damn...When people say Japan has lost Creativity...they werent kidding!
We people should not just TAKE IT, WE SHOULD DEMAND MORE! Instead of sitting on our ass doing nothing!
-3 new moves per character
-All new themes
-GGPO online play
-Cooler looking hypers (Dante's lvl3 SUX) (Storm's looks good)
@141
There's a reason Lysol's responses can't be questioned. He spoke in FACTS. Lets look over your post shall we?
'2) Capcom wanted Shuma 1st over Spiderman...SPIDERMAN!!!'
Uh...no...Spiderman was already in regardless of what Capcom thought. The only Marvel character Capcom talked Marvel into allowing them to put into the game was Shuma...PERIOD. The rest of the marvel roster was decided by MARVEL.
You claim that nobody cares about story in fighting games and that's a might powerful assumption. A false assumption at that. I love a good story in fighting games (a la Blazblue). They never said he's important to the story, they said he's important to the series' HISTORY, they mean he's been in d*mn near EVERY Marvel vs. game. Why would you care if they said he was important to the game's story anyway? It's not like anybody cares about the story...........oh wait.
'3) About EZ ports, Spider-man is gonna be in by default like Ryu. Spider-Man has TONS of moves and agility but what they do? They gave him his old move set with new properties and a new move and called it a day. Where is his Spider-Sense? What about Wall-Climbing? Hand-Stands? Boxing Web Gloves? Web-Parachute? Hanging foes upside-down? Web-Trap on the ground? Sling Shot? NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING. They gave him his Web-Zip...ONE MOVE!!?? They took away Dr. Doom's Electric Cage...w/e Im getting the game but damn...When people say Japan has lost Creativity...they werent kidding!'
The easy answer: Jerkoffs like you would complain that Spiderman's original moveset was better and claim they used more webbing because 'ZOMG Japan now has spiderweb fetish11!!!111!!!!1!'. Complaining that they should overhaul Spiderman's moveset at this point is like arguing they should overhaul Ryu's or Wolverine's.
You've again done nothing, but prove you're just upset that characters you don't like made it in (proven by the fact you complained about a SHIRT just because he's featured on it). Shuma's optional, don't like him? Don't get him. Simple. Knowing Capcom there'll be more DLC, just wait and maybe, just maybe someone you like will be added via DLC.
The problem with your posts are you assume EVERYONE agrees with your opinion JUST because it's your opinion (I.E. 'Nobody cares about story in a fighting game'). I like a good story in a fighting game. I like shuma because he's a demon squid that can shoot freakin' eye lasers and he has one heck of a backstory. I'm gonna be honest, there are characters in the game that I don't particularly like, but you don't see me going around acting like an a**hole about it.
Lysol spoke with facts and integrity THAT'S why his post is inarguable and he's earned my -and probably others'- respect. Ignorance, demands, and assumptions don't win arguments, nor do they garner support and/or respect.
You guys may not like what I say but I agree with Mr Clacks analysis. It is inexcusable for Capcom to sell a game to a Western audience by giving characters with little or no demand. Completely inexcusable. There is a very small minority of people that I know of that even played Shuma Gorath.
The statement in itself is totally outrageous for Capcom to even devote their energy to request Shuma Gorath when there fan base is asking for a host of very good and applicable characters. I would almost have to agree with, there are strong evidences of perversions as to the motivation of the Capcom roster.
Ok let's look at the Darkstalker series. Rather than picking characters that is consistent with the story such as Pyron or Jedah, they pick two sex symbols. They are not picking decent females, they are picking women to lust after. And what is really bad is they masking it as a political equality to have equal women and men. That is stupid logic as I can guarantee that the audience of this game is mostly males 10:1 against females. The only guys I know who sincerely enjoy picking female characters such as that(Chun Li is not included, she can fight well) are guys that lust after them or even identifying as them.
It's a complete nightmare for me so far seeing that Bison might not be in this game and it be wasted on C.Viper, who again has become another sex symbol, rather than a decent fighter. The extra cup size of her bra proves this point.
To be truly honest, if it wasn't for the Marvel roster, whom I see must have had sober minded designers, I would NOT be buying this game. Truly a waste of good talent and potential so far on the Capcom side. I think Seth was the one that suggested Arthur, so I give him one of the few employees here that is sober minded on the Capcom side.
@144
Nobody is gonna get mad at your for your opinion. What got everyone up in arms about Clack's posts was the fact he was culture bashing and using baseless information (I.E. stating that nobody likes a good story in fighting games, and claiming that the only people that like Shuma are 'those tentacle freaks').
I agree and I kinda disagree with your bit about the Darkstalkers character. I too would've rather seen Jedah or Pyron, BUT there are issues with including both of them (I'd think so anyway, but again this is judging by what Capcom has said). For Jedah the biggest issue is the fact his body is composed entirely of blood if I recall correctly and many of his attacks include blood splatters and spurts as an effect; getting that past the ESRB (especially when going for a T rating) would be VERY hard.
For Pyron they'd probably have memory issues like they said they'd have had with Human Torch (from constant particle effects most likely). Then you have Dimitri and his character specific effects with Midnight Bliss which would also take up a LOT of memory (I'd think so anyway).
Finally, whether you like it or not Morrigan has become the main focus of the Darkstalkers storyline, and many consider her to be the main character despite the fact that role was initially meant for Dimitri. Felicia on the other hand, I can see why you'd be okay with her being gone.
Saying Felicia and Morrigan can't fight well (assuming that's what you meant by 'except for Chun-Li, she can fight well') that's a bit unfair as they're clearly capable of fighting just in an unrealistic fashion (then again who doesn't fight in an unrealistic manner in the darkstalkers eries?). Maybe nobody you know genuinely uses them, but I do; in MvC2 they were a primary part of my team (Morrigan, Felicia, and Captain Commando) and I've used them since the days of the first Darkstalkers.
I'm neutral on C. Viper being in the game, not for or against her being in. Though I REALLY hope by some off chance Bison makes it in.
I'm fine with the roster, and you have your issues with it; that's fine. I don't think anyone expects everyone to have the same outlook on the roster. Just so long as they say it without overtly being a**hole-ish about it most people are fine. So thanks for posting an honest opinion on the roster without a profanity filled rant and whanot, it's nice to see a civil post when it comes to the subject.
Ur ignoring my FACTS about news stories on sites dont cater to FIGHTing game stories.
Why? WE ONLY care about the things I listed in that order!
Most of us go online and could care less about the story NOWadays!
ALSO why dont we care? Capcom kinda sucks at story-telling esp. for fighting games. Assumption? No! They are usually are predictable and dont advance anything from the past.
Ryu is still Ryu Ken is still married Guile still seeks revenge Dhalsim is still...u get the point?
No!? CAPCOMs Fighting games STORY SUCKS!!!
Tekken's are MUCH better and the GGXX makers games are good too.
Movesets. Ryu will NEVER change so that's a DUMB argument to bring up against Spiderman. Spider-Man has TONS of moves as does Wolverine and Capcom just essentially recycled the past.
I still cant believe DeadPool and Dante's Hypers are so kinda...lame. Shooting guns over and over...wow...Is this a new Capcom? It's like Having Ryu Hyabusa in a fighting game and only throwing shurikens as is super. Oh he was in a fighter and...HE WAS AWESOME IN IT!!!
Funny...How in Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom the Tatsunoko team had UNBELIEVABLY COOL Looking Hypers! Yes DeadPool's lvl 3 IS COOL. It's a counter so hopefully it does good damage!
About Shuma if Capcom JAPAN had requested ANYBODY ELSE it would have been all like WTF? But them Begging for Shuma SCREAMS Tentacles!
@146
Excuse me. We? I guess I'm not part of this anonymous 'we' creature, this mysterious legion that's against a story in fighting games. So first you say nobody could figure out SF4's story...now you're saying it's predictable? This legion clearly has split personalities! Intriguing!
Seriously though, Eventhubs and SRK are fighting game NEWS sites; they post news and cover the competitive side of things. I doubt Catalyst and whoever runs SRK really want to sit around all day and type up plot analyses for fighting games. Then you'd have people getting ticked off at spoilers. Just because it's not in the news doesn't mean nobody cares.
Ryu's moveset never changes? Sliding kick (Joudan Sokutou Geri) which he gained in Street Fighter 3 (and now has in MvC3) would like to speak with you.
While I won't argue with you about Deadpool and Dante's LV1 hypers as I agree they are kinda unimpressive (though Deadpool's looks kinda cool when used in the air). However, I will argue what you pointed out about TvC: Was megaman trigger's/volnutt's machinegun hyper NOT just shooting over and over and over? Was PTX-40A's not shooting over and over and over?
Deadpool's level 3 is another thing I agree with you on, it's the perfect way for him to break the 4th wall in mid fight. I'm also hoping it ends up doing massive damage considering the fact it's a counter move and unless you time it perfectly it's going to get punished.
Then back to Shuma...and the tentacle debacle. That's an argument not worth having as technically Shuma could look like...well...anything considering his shapeshifting abilities, heck if they really wanted to they could've probably pulled some bull and put him in some faux human form and claimed he was just shapeshifted all the time. I like odd characters, I always have, while Shuma isn't my favorite I have to have some respect for a character that draws inspiration from Cthulu.
@146
Sorry about the double post, but I figured I'd mention that you can rest easy about the story seeing as it's being written by Frank Tieri (I think that's how you spell his last name anyway), one of Marvel's writers. So don't go expecting a Capcom-style story.
@ 4evrBadAss
Ur right! I cant prove it was Tentacles but, knowing Japan's history with those types. It's like Americans requesting a Master Chief or Marcus Phoenix-Type.
I like the weirdness of Shuma too but over TEN YEARS later most of us want NEW characters whether they suck or not. Most of us know what Shuma will play like and what his job is in battle. Jill Seems interesting so we will reserve judgement.
Another thing was TEN YEARS later...NEW Villians should have been in. Dr. Doom is WAY too popular to ignore. But Green Goblin should have been in too.
BTW did you read this? Thoughts?
http://www.imnextonline.com/2010/12/1...
@149
Hmm...I'm not too sure on that 'leak', mostly because Niitsuma stated 'no more Darkstalkers' characters yet lo and behold Hsien-Ko is on there. As with other leaks I think it'd be proper to withold judgment until the roster has been outright revealed. My only complaints about that roster are lack of M. Bison, Megaman, and the fact Sentinel is on there makes me feel all we'd see online for the first few weeks or even months of release would be Magneto, Storm, and Sentinel. Other than that I wouldn't mind seeing it (especially Taskmaster).
I agree with what you say about new villains, it would be nice to see some new faces on the villainous side of things. Green Goblin would definitely be fun to play as, though I'm sure Capcom's reasoning/excuse for not putting him in would be they couldn't find a way to incorporate his glider. The Marvel villain at the top of list is definitely Doctor Octapus, a Spencer and Doc Ock rivalry could be crazy good.
@ 4evr
Dont u love hearing we cant do things old gen could.
Funny how the Wii could do Frank West and Zombies and the PS2 can handle Jill and those Zombies and Strider and his animals and other things.
Looks like Graphics won over substance this time.
Makes me wonder about Sentinel and his drones.
@151
Yeah, I know what you mean. Hopefully this leak is BS, and Frank West is in by some off chance. Another thing that raises my eyebrow about this supposed leak is the owner of twitter account mentions more than once he isn't affiliated with Capcom, he also says 'If I had to guess' a few times which, if he really knew all of this, he wouldn't have to guess. Finally this leak seems all to similar to the infamous SRK one that lacked Thor, making me wonder if this guy is just using that as a basis and posting VERY reasonable guesses (as there's very few things on there that people couldn't realistically guess if they put their heads together and thought about it for a little while).
I suppose they could make Sentinels drones one BIG drone instead; it's a bird, it's a plane, oh god, head for the hills it's dronezilla! XD
wow super-skrull for human torch. wtf. thanks alot xbox 360. because of the 360 everyone has to pay for unnecessary dlc. not cool man, not cool.
i'd gladly see a couple of the characters dropped from the roster for the human torch.
...and even though he has been dis-confirmed, this game needs SILVER SURFER!