You might remember a story ran earlier this month that some of the top Super Street Fighter 4 players in the community were offering paid lessons. Bushinryuken ended up getting a lesson from Justin Wong after the fact and wrote up a review of his experiences on the EventHubs forums.The goal of these two lessons was to specifically improve my game as Guy, not just general strategy improvement. For both lessons he started me off with a few rounds to test where I was at, to see what kind of mistakes I was making.
During the first lesson it was obvious I stood no sort of chance against him. Unsafe slides from too close, predictable wake up game, etc. What Justin excels at in these lessons is teaching you great ways to combo and move in that are not present in the game's trial mode. For example, the trial mode will not teach you mix-ups that you can do from medium punch/heavy punch into Bushin flip, etc.
I had seen some of these things in videos of him against Daigo or read about it in forums, but that's just not the same as having someone personally tell you how to do it and especially WHY you should do it.
So this came to main page...read it in forums...well,thanks for sharing your experience atleast haters can shut their mouth now..!
glad to see it was worth it and justin is willing to take it seriously and not just for the money. i think it's a good thing that there are more options opening up for the gaming community. i wish you the best of luck at evo. hopefully we can see a guy player make some noise and get some recognition. : )
Yeah, but for a steep price like that? 50 dollars an hour? Maybe 5 dollars and hour but, that's all... I am not hating at all and would love to take lessons from Justin Wong himself but, that's too much money.
Guys, the price is $35/hour. The old eventhubs post has Justin's price listed incorrectly. I paid $35/hour, it is in my forum post if you read the entire thing.
As far as the prices go, I listed what was emailed to me in the story. I have read that it's $35 an hour for lessons from Justin as well, but I went with the other prices you read before because that's the information I received.
I'm more than happy to change things around if I hear differently from the people involved, though.
Oh definitely, of course :). I just wanted to point it out Catalyst. I don't know how much the other pros charge, but if you'd like you can confirm Justin's price via FB. He makes advertising the lessons every few days or so.
@ #5 Some of the stuff is available fro free but i am sure there IS a benefit in having a personal 1 on 1 experience. I am sure you COULD,as an example, learn guitar fro Free online/youtube, but i is also good to have a person teach you in a structured way in paid lessons if you so choose to pay them. This is America. Justin has the choice to offer his time and expertise for a PRICE just as you have the choice to buy or not to buy lessons. BTW, I have met Justin in person and he DOES give away tips if you so do choose to ask him.
He should rent a classroom and get 30-40 people in one room giving lessons. 10 dollars per head for like 1-2 hours. Would be cheaper and he gets more out of it. Like for instance making the community more a open public thing. if he would do that 5 days a week 1 hour 30 ppl. now that would be worth it.
I'm not going to comment as to whether it's actually worth it or not, but there are matters to consider here. Some of you say that somebody could, or would tell him for free. Sure, there's a chance at that. But how much, and how often? The paid service is for one-on-one time, as I understand it, and I'd imagine that the tips he was given were probably more than just "do this here," or "you shouldn't do that there" as I have often gotten 'for free' at tournaments. Also, most people advocate joining the 'tournament scene.' I support that as well, but a lot of tournaments run from $5-15 a pop. And they take up a ton of time, including a lot of downtime. In my eyes, this seems a reasonable alternative provided you could afford it. Personally, I can't, and I don't live in the SoCal area, so it's not really an option, but as long as whomever paid for the service is satisfied, as this is a qualitative service, then they won't have 'wasted their money.'
so u paid 35 bucks for him to tell u to stop doin obivious unsafe moves and stop spaming guys hurrican kick on wake up? Fantastic. Ur telling me that if u were really serious u could learn on ur own? Or get together with like minded players and learn? For christs sake theres tons of tournament footage every where to learn from and forums like srk are full of information. Its just stupid to pay.
I don't understand how you people don't understand the value of true 1 on 1 coaching.
Here is a real life example so you people can get it into your head. I used to play baseball. I was a pitcher. I wanted to improve my pitching skills, so I enlisted the aid of a pitching coach. What I learned from that series of one on one coaching was incomparable and it was something I in no way could have learned from any school baseball coach. Sure, I could have googled how to throw a curveball and maybe I would have gotten it, but the ability for a person to tell you what you do wrong, while you are doing it wrong is invaluable as you can correct the mistake in real time, adjust and improve much quicker.
Whatever I still say this is not a good investment. I rather you donate this money to the homeless than these pros.
The things he said about predictable wake up game, etc, i think a decent player such as your friend can probably tell you these things without costing you anything.
My 2 cents: if you need to pay someone $35/hour, to teach you stuff you should and can easily learn by yourself, then you probably would never be good enough at this or any other game. I'm not saying that Bushinryuken isn't good enough because I don't know his intentions (get to review a service or just have a chance to play with Wong) and I've never seen him play, but generally speaking, the info that you will get from these guys is widely available. If they could teach you something original and unique, then why don't they use it themselves?? We see everything they do, it's in plain sight. There are videos and tutorials that can show you how to perform pretty much any trick used in the community. But again, it's a free country and people are free to piss away money as they please. Plus Wong losing to gamerbee after pissing on Adon as a character isn't exactly a good move from a..."marketing" perspective.
# 26 - I'd just like to point out that in a recent interview Justin himself pointed out that when he said Adon sucked he was playing an unfinished version of the game at PAX which was pretty much a year ago. At that point in time lots of Adon's moves were unsafe on block (moves that are safe now) and that's why he said Adon sucked at the time, he even talked to Seth Killian about it at the time asking him what gives. It's best to be informed about these things before using outdated information.
I take back my previous statement, it's not quite as big a rip-off as college. At least you DO learn something in these "lessons". Seriously though 35/hour? There is only so much you can do with a pre-programed video game. Besides pro gaming is kinda dumb.
Sorry Jwong, but i dont want lessons on how to lose to Adons lol.
Listen...you guys can talk and talk and blah and blah, but its the spenders money. If HE wants to use his money on SF lessons from a pro then let HIM be. I personally think its not that big of a deal....he wants to get good. And i agree with Alfrebaut, if its so easy then why aren't any of you guys considered pros? Better yet, why aren't any of you guys even good enough to get mentioned to give lessons? I'll tell ya why.....cuz y'all not. Plain and simple. Dont mean to be a jerk but its common sense really. If practice and challenge mode and all that stuff were easy, everyone would be as good or even better than Jwong, Daigo, etc.
@mustain21 and some other people
I think you guys are missing the point. Justin is not teaching you a new trick or some secret pro technique that will let you beat everyone. He is tutoring you to be a better player by showing you your faults and letting you get a one on one with a pro player. Yes everything is widely available but its alot easier to learn if someone is tutoring you.
You can apply this to something like school. I bet most of you learn better by actually going to a class room and paying attention then sitting infront of a computer screen for online classes. Pretty much the same thing Justin is doing.
Justin = Class Room
Forums and Videos = Online Class.
People just learn better by having someone teach them then trying to figure it out by themselves. All of us have gotten better at Fighting Games by having some dude in your arcade or someone from your scene teach you and give you tips on how to get better and what you are doing wrong.
Most of us really dont need this, we have friends or people locally that play seriously help us out. Some people dont have that and really benefit from lessons like the ones Justin is giving.
Again dude aint trying to teach you some super secret trick, he is just giving you tips and helping to analyze your game.
I'm not saying I would or wouldn't do this. Okay...I probably woudln't but it doesn't mean that paying for lessons is a bad idea. People pay for lots of things to learn such as playing instruments, driving lessons, and many more things. However, as an Abel player, I just constantly play with him whenever I play SSFIV. In the beginning, I couldn't do any of his hard trials back when i played vanilla Street Fighter IV. But I didn't give up on it, I tried over and over and over until I got it down. Now that I'm playing SSFIV, all of his trials are effortless to me now. I also watch any videos that include strategies, combos, and many other tools I can use in my battles. I even create my own strategies from time to time. I'm still learning and I can say that I'm glad I decided to stick with Abel, because I'm a LOT better now. But I was willing and dedicated to be one of the best Abel players out there. I will continue to grow in skill, but I'm going to do it on my own merits and not pay anyone just to teach me how to get better.
@ #34 because some of use have lives and careers and wish to stay casual players. Those who do want to become pros should go the extra mile, which would normally involve taking the time to learn this stuff, not pay someone a ridiculous price to "coach" them but they're free to do whatever they wish. I'm just voicing my opinion. I'm willing to bet money that you will never see someone win a major tournament (or make top 10) say: "I wouldn't have done it if it wasn't for the 1-on-1 private lessons I got from J Wong. Well worth $35/hour. Thanks J! Thank you mom and dad for the trust fund." It ain't gonna happen, cuz his "coaches" will be right there to stop him from winning using stuff they learned the normal way. LOL
The world just isn't ready for this kind of stuff. Compare what Justin is doing to what goes on in other games that have professional players, especially starcraft. Watch the day[9] daily that is done by a pro for the community on you tube, there he gives indispensible game analysis for the community and doesn't charge. He makes great strategy comments and overall views that could even be applied to streetfighter. We need more people like that who give back to the community instead of trying to make a buck. I could imagine paying money to a pro gamer in Korea to get starcaft lessons, but SF? It's just not big enough. People are not ready. Maybe after a few more years of online play brining more and more players into the mainstream and maybe with more corporate sponsors to get the world in general to accept the game as a real sport, then maybe I could see charging for coaching lessons. There have been a handful of great players for decades playing SF and it's just barely getting the attention it needs to get really mainstream. I think this charging for lessons is just jumping the gun.
LMAO...so of you people are sad. Your mad that SOMEONE ELSE spent THEIR own money on what HE WANTS. Who cares what he does with his money, maybe if you guys would stop crying what others do, you can make your own money to pay for lessons. Or get better at SF and offer your own lessons.
I don't see what the problem a lot of you are having with the lessons. Justin is one of the best players in the world and he's offering his time and insights for a pretty fair price. Qualified tutors often get comparable pay for their time.
Besides, $35 actually isn't too much money once you move out of your parents' basements. Maybe if "Megadautilus" graduated college he'd know that ;)
If I was more serious about SF4, I'd definitely do it.
@ 39
You know Justin became the beast he is today because Eddie Lee taught him to play right. And I can guarantee you 99% of these top player were taught by someone better then them and became better themselves. Theres no right way to learn the game. You just wait till that one dude wins EVO and says "Thank you Justin for making me a better player, 35 bucks well spent."
@ 40
Ultra David dose some commentary on matches that give you incite on what the pro players are thinking and why there doing what there doing. Also I think comparing SC2 and SSF4 when it comes to learning dosent work. IMO SC2 is easier to be a top player then a fighting game is. Fighting games are just faster and harder to actually pick up on things your doing wrong then it is in SC2. Plus SC2 has an amazing community.
Look guy: some people are for it, some are against it, others couldn't give two craps. If you have the money and the inclination, buona fortuna. If you don't, don't pay into it. I have the money but not desire. And quite frankly, I would never pay $35 to learn from someone who dropped out of everything and spends all day playing video games, because ANYONE can learn to play at JW's level if they did the same. I also find it funny that Umehara, as well as many Japanese pros, have a life and career yet still can consistently defeat JW and his crew:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayCdqD...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYVw4l...
@44
Wong is cool, but you shouldn't put him on a pedestal like the way that you are. I bet people are more intimidated by his name rather than his skill. He got knocked out pretty bad in EVO this year and he said it himself, he don't practice it that much.
It bothers me a bit when people think one person is like the ultimate player and he is on equal grounds like everyone else. Just learn his playing style. It's all over the net.
what is with all the crying.theres still 4 more people coming.
the most relevant statements are:
1) ANYONE could play at JWong's leve if they drop everything (career etc..) and dedicate themselves enterely to the game
2) If i was into pro graming and I could afford the lessons, I would take them.
Theres nothing wrong with spending money on things we are passionate with. This game is an experience, a challenge experience. Some of us reach extreme levels (JWong) like Plato or Socrates in philosophy... so why not to share and pass the torch
I level up TREMENDOUSLY just by playing casuals with and talking strategy with the guys I play with. Heck I level up just by WATCHING better players play for FREE! Nothing against J Wong or any of the guys that do charge for training but its almost like selling ice to a polar bear; the bear can get it free. Same thing goes with SSF4. There are LIMITLESS forums and websites you can go to to get better and top players post in them. Or you can just practice with better players online, YES ONLINE. But hey we said all of this even before people began to get these paid lessons and people still went through with it so more power to J Wong and the others. No harm done :)
Everyone that says "I could learn just as much for free" are ignoring opportunity costs. The mind games that you can learn from those people would probably take you anywhere from 20 to 2000 hours to develop on your own.
How much do you make per hour on your jobs?
@mustain21: I also thought about how Japanese players have careers on top of SSF4 and still beat U.S. players time after time. Daigo, I think it's a nurse, and Tokito (the Akuma player) is a student at Japan's most prestige college. So yea how they can be so good and have a decent career is amazing.
Anyone know what U.S. players (jwong, gootecks, mike ross, etc) do for a living other than play video games? I serious want to know. Maybe I should cough up the 30-40 bucks and ask them (j/k).
Wow, people really look at justin as a god....
But anyway Imma say it like this SSF4 has a replay function, You can look at those said replays and look at what you are doing wrong and or why you are getting punished for doing said move.
But my guess is that he went to try out this service to see how the quality of service is. He thinks its ok then its ok, I personally would not pay money for a 1 on 1 lesson in a fighting game. As someone was saying above before the more people you play the better you get.
bushinryuken, do you mind telling us the level of yer guy...in terms of pp/bp. I know that sometimes pp/bp is not the greatest indication of skill, but for most casual players it is.
lmao @ #6. $5 an hour? Really?? Wow, it's true...gamers are a bunch of cheapskates. You expect someone to set aside an hour of their day, schedule you in, and teach you for less than minimum wage. Get a clue, my goodness.
People will pay $50 for an hour of school tutoring for something you can supposedly learn yourself from reading textbooks, but like some of the wiser people said, personal one-on-one time is invaluable sometimes. If you don't have the money to kill to play and learn from the best, don't judge others who do. $35 is actually quite reasonable, and I'm sure bushinryuken has some cool memories to take away from it. I drop $35 per person on dinner sometimes, and I'd much rather pay Wong for a lesson.
Let people do what they like with their own money. Private lessons in any field are expensive, get over it. $35 is reasonable for the best in the country.
"1) ANYONE could play at JWong's leve if they drop everything (career etc..) and dedicate themselves enterely to the game"
totally, completely, utterly disagree. there are plenty of pros in sports who do nothing but their sport, but how many jordan's and phelps' are there? there are plenty of physicists out there, but how many of them are einsteins?
i'm not saying that justin is on jordan or einsteins's level. obviously we know he's consistent champ in US, but we know daigo consistently takes him out. i'm just making a point.
but there's no way in hell "ANYONE" can do what he does. there is such a thing as talent. there are physical limitations. not everyone can be a jordan b/c they don't have his height. not everyone can be a phelps b/c they don't have his porpoise-like build. not everyone can be einstein b/c they simply aren't smart enuf.
only a small percentage of the gaming population will have a pro gamer's reaction time. reaction time is correlated with (note i say CORRELATED and not CAUSED by) IQ. low IQ players will inherently have more difficulty reacting, and higher IQ players won't have as much difficulty. same w/ starcraft and APM. there are plenty of sc pros out there, but there are few that have the ability to micro like boxer.
not everyone is the same. not everyone is a blank slate upon which any ability can be conferred with enuf training, coaching and motivation.
It is true that there are a lot of videos and tutorials and combos and tricks on offer for free. However, they only show you HOW to do some move or strategy and not WHY or WHEN in a game situation. They dont explain what was going through the pro players heads when they are playing a match. All we can see on the videos is them just zoning out opponents or getting in their face and destroying them. The actual process of thinking about when to zone, when to attack and hot to get in based on the opponents moves are not things which you can easily pick up just by watching videos or reading forums.
For example, you can learn the correct form for gym exercises by looking at numerous videos, but for a trainer to actually come and correct your form while you are lifting weights is very useful. It is kinda the same thing. For someone to diagnose your errors, not just errors like dont do wake up DP, and holes in your game and offer you personalized advice is very useful. It is a lot more helpful than reading a forum entry, if you can afford it.
There is no doubt that these lessons will be useful to your game. It is for each person to decide for himself if it is worth it. I dont think we should be calling others stupid just because they paid for lessons. And lessons are not only for people who want to go pro.
There is a huge difference between reading forums / watching videos and one to one training where someone is telling you exactly what YOU specifically can do to improve.
To everyone saying it's a waste of money: who are you to judge how other people spend their money? If you buy expensive shoes, go out and buy hundreds of dollars worth of alcohol, or buy the complete series of LOST on Bluray, there are others who would call your purchases stupid.
I don't understand. So it's okay to spend $100 on a money-match versus Diago that lasts 5 minutes and you're left with nothing but it's not okay to spend $35 for an hour with Justin where he actually teaches you how to improve?
Some people on this forum are braindead.
Combofiend vs Marn at EVO, Gooteks and M.Ross said that Combofiend has the best Guy in the world, that's BS, <b>Tsukimiya</b> has the best I've ever seen so far. Guy might be low tier anyways but you can learn more from him than anyone else, just pay attention to his answers & mixups:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSpt6w...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GPa53... <- EX Run into U2 DOPE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwUyR6...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUWa7i... <- Vs Daigo (Guile)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V62zi9... <- Vs Mago (he loses, but still great match)
@ 42:
"Also I think comparing SC2 and SSF4 when it comes to learning dosent work. IMO SC2 is easier to be a top player then a fighting game is."
Really? I think it is way harder. The mechanics of starcraft require far more "actions" per minute to be a top player. The game just looks slower than SF but in reality there is far more to consider and to do.
There is a much larger pool of pro SC players throughout the world and to make it to the top and get sponsored means you have to be that much better. The chances of making it onto a korean pro gaming team is much harder than becoming one of the top 10 players in any given SF game, at least from my perspective from going to tournaments in SF for over 10 years.
"Fighting games are just faster and harder to actually pick up on things your doing wrong then it is in SC2. Plus SC2 has an amazing community."
That's my point, SF needs MORE fans. MORE community. It needs to get BIGGER. Mainstream! That's why no one would make fun of someone paying 35 bucks an hour to Tiger Woods for golf lessons, because in the mind of the whole world that would be a STEAL! But pay that same amount of money Justin, and here you have all this debate.
I'm surprised that there are people who still don't get it, who let obvious points in the review fly right over their heads. There's a HUGE difference between watching/reading guides or matches and having someone actually teach you. If it was as easy as watching/reading, then we should be able to do anything in life just by watching other people do it or by reading, and it would be pointless to take lessons for anything.
The other thing is that improvement isn't so black-and-white that anyone who is a better player can teach you the exact same thing. It's obvious that pros have an extra level of intuition and analysis ability that most players lack. Yes, a better player can probably tell you how to improve, but a top player can probably go more in-depth and notice more flaws in your gameplay than an average player who is simply better. A player who is just better than you might not notice some predictable patterns that you fall into, might not notice that certain moves can counter this and that, etc. That level of detail is what you're paying for. You're not paying for something that anyone could teach you, you're paying for a top professional's analysis of your gameplay, because a top player can probably see things that most players can't.
The thing is that average players can only teach you so much. They lack that "mindset" that the top players have, their reads aren't as good, and their understanding of the game is not anywhere near the professional level. There's a difference between "Character X can give character Y trouble by using this move." and "Character X can use this move to counter this and that from character Y, and this move can beat out many of character Y's key moves, etc."
Another note, what you do wrong in a match is far easier to figure out than in starcraft, again just my opinion. I can watch a replay of my SSF4 and all my mistakes are readily apparent. Most things boil down to dropping a combo or damage opportunity, forgetting to read the opponent enough, staying in the right range at the right times, using the wrong moves in the wrong situation. It's all pretty obvious if you are experienced.
In starcraft you might be able to say something similar, such as various mechanics mistakes and timings that were missed, wrong units, low apm, failure to read the opponent. But there is just so much more doing on that demands your time and attention mechanically, and sometimes decisions have to be made that radically change the game, such as tech paths and all the different lines of attack and harassment to choose from. There is just way more to think about in Starcaft really.
But the point is not to compare the games themselves, but the communities and how far they have come along in the mainstream.
SC2 and SSF4 are different games, and both have their players who dedicate all their time to be good at them, there's more money in SC2 though.
Why is it a bad comparison? They're different games completely, different genres, different mechanics. You can learn everything SC2 has to offer in one day, the rest is all about practice. There are extensive guides written out, build orders, unit composition that help anyone get into the game. While you have these with Street Fighter, you also have the element of execution that you have to put into play. This is the only thing that separates the two games, well, sort of.
SC2 is a bastardized version of Brood War, you don't need high APM to be good; my friend is top 100 in the US and he hovers around 80-90. In fighting games, you need good execution to consistently hit combos, be it 1 frame or 2, in a tournament or online even. There is no going around practice, you absolutely need to put the hours in to be good.
With RTS games, it's true, you have to practice a lot, however, no matter what the game is, your fundamentals do not change. There are only three races, which means whatever the fundamentals are in one game, the same thing applies in the next. In fighting games you have to change per char basis (sometimes) and learn the roster in and out, and with a game that has 35 players, it's pretty tough to know everything.
Either way, apples and oranges. Comparing a RTS with a fighting game only works on the level that pros of each have to practice a lot.
PLEASE READ: I feel I need to explain a few things: even though I would never pay into something like this for so many reasons, Wong HAS to charge that much money for private lessons and here’s why:
1) Opportunity Cost: if he can make more money during that one hour doing something else, then it’s probably not worth it for him to offer those lessons. The price makes it…worth his while.
2) Equilibrium Pricing: if he charged say $5/hour like someone suggested, not only is it lower than his opportunity cost (he can flip burgers for more than that), it would cause too many people to sign up and he wouldn’t be able to deliver the service: demand surplus. If he charged too much, say $100/hour, not enough people would demand his service and thus he would have too much time to do things that can generate less than $100/hour: demand shortage (not to mention that charging that much would be an insult to doctors, lawyers, and anyone who busted their behinds getting real careers). More or less than $35 an hour can lead to an economic inefficiency.
So for those who say he should give advice for free, if he happens to be there standing next to you, I’m sure he would answer you. But if you want private 1-on-1 lessons, then it’s gonna cost you, it has to.
I’m one of those people who struggled to get an education and a career. The lazy alternative I had was stay at home and play video games, so I have to admit that it is kind of insulting for someone who chose that road to charge that much for private lessons. BUT that’s because the concept of “electronic athlete” still hasn’t developed in our minds, so maybe in a few years, when the likes of J Wong’s face is on cereal boxes, reminding us of the importance of breakfast and calcium…maybe then, we will accept these hourly rates that rival a urologist’s fee. But until then, most people will shake their heads at the idea.
@68
haha hope you're not assuming that your friend is a top 100 SC2 player all cause he's in the top 100 in online SC2. not saying he's not good, but if he only plays online then you can't compare it to playing against a real player. agree that you really can't compare the two games.
RandomJohn JWong is sponsored by EG. Gootecks makes those cross counter vids so he gets paid by Machinima. IDK about Mike Ross I know he's really into playing guitar but IDK if he's in a band or has a real job.
@70
He's top 100 in the US because he plays and beats players who win tournaments (HuK, KawaiiRice, Sheth etc). I understand where you're coming from since a lot of the players in the top 100 list are pretty trashy.
Either way, I stand by where I said, this game can't be compared to SC2 or any other genre other than fighting games. The fundamentals of both are completely different, even the mode of executing (Arcade stick vs Mouse and keyboard) are different.
Both require a ton of practice, while I personally think fighting games take a little more effort to be good at CONSISTENTLY.
I like people wanting to know what jobs these guys have. Do not label people based on your own life and what you are doing. Frankly all these guys love fighting games and are trying their best to live that dream. Hell if they have the way to do nothing but play the game then god bless em for it.
I dare say anyone here would drop everything they could if they had a way to follow their passion. Some of us made mistakes. Some of us are not happy with our station in life. Don't bring that own sense of anger and toss it at people doing what they truly want to do.
Let's be honest. Unless you are real close to J. Wongs level and he is holding on to a secret that you don't know, I can't see the true worth of this service.
It will only be beneficial if you paid him on a consistent basis and got time to play with him. That would simply mean that this service is only to people that got money and time to blow.
I heard that there is a guy here in Chicago that pays J Wong to come here and play so that is probably the heart of what these services mean.
i still wanna know bushinryuken's pp and bp with guy...
on the topic...not everything on the internet is that easy to apply in a real fight. Things such as baiting, mixups, spacing, proper risks to take, and proper defense can't be easily learned while watching other top players or from forums.
OK. You can all debate whether or not it is a good idea to pay for lessons to play street fighter. Really, the only person that it matters to is the person paying for it. If he feels he learned a lot from the 1on1 session than playing other people, then for him its money well spent.
I dont have easy access to JWong, but I do play against Team Spooky more often than not, and others like DSP, John Rambo, and blueNINE because they live near me and I'm friends with them. They go to local tourneys. So take everything into consideration. The free advice you get as well as the paid for. Becuase ultimatley, you have to decide if you want to use that info
@76 - My gamertag is AFadingDream. Feel free to look me up. I only took lessons w/Justin but I don't claim to be fantastic, but I did improve a lot. If you'd like to play some games VegaBisonAbel I'd be down :D!
im on psn tho.. that's why i asked.
If you happen to have a decent amount of pp (maybe 4000 or above) then you definitely get most people's respect.
IMO someone who has 4000 pp or more and can still learn from Justin then the money was definitely worth it.
I don't have that much. I do like to play a lot of ranked but since it's usually tough to find a match consistently that way I usually stick to endless lobbies since that way I don't have as much downtime searching for a game :D. I'm only somewhere between 1000-2000, I don't know the exact number since I'm not on my 360 atm.
I've spent more on strippers for 3 min, and I like playing SF more. Easy money to spend on such a great game, cry babies..
Lol u guys are seriously gonna pay to get better at a game, I don't wanna sound like a troll but that's just ridiculous. I think the best way to learn is just keep playing and playing, and watch pro level play videos for FREE, I know I got a lot better with bison by just watching Andre play and practicing my self. Plus $35 an hour lol, He's straight up robbing u.
"I think the best way to learn is just keep playing and playing, and watch pro level play videos for FREE, I know I got a lot better with bison by just watching Andre play and practicing my self. Plus $35 an hour lol, He's straight up robbing u. "
don't be a baby. that's just a cheap way to learn. you might think you get better, but the fact is we don't know. you might still get pwn.
a Japanese article is also pick up this story by the way.
http://doope.jp/2010/0916011.html
# 82 - Thanks for linking the Japanese article! It's kind of cool seeing "Bushinryuken san" XD.
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you said its a cheap way....lol Street Fighter is learned through trial and error believe it or not, you are getting a 1 on 1 lesson every time you hit the ready button put your quarter in etc. Correction its for people who has money to burn and you may still get pwned.
You cannot teach a mind game it develops as you play the game more and more don't get me wrong you still have to get your execution down first before anything else is done.
You can't teach people to think, but you can teach them how to do certain things, when to do certain things, and what move is good in certain situations, etc. You can teach people how to mix thing up. You can teach people when this and that are safe. People who go on an on about "lol, paying people to learn a game" seem to not realize that that's exactly what you're doing whenever you hire a personal coach for a sport.
Gootecks commenting on my review? Thanks so much! Also, I couldn't agree more :D.
Seriously tempted to take up lessons from him now. Maybe just an hour or so, just to eliminate my Cammy mistakes.