Update: This story now contains a few match videos, including Ryan Hart and Daigo Umehara's battle in the set before the grand finals, along with a few more notes.
#6: Prepare to be flamed by the Daigo haters. They'll think you're making up excuses for why he lost.
I agree with you.
I'd say he's testing waters with different characters and just having fun playing good players. Not every tournament is do or die. You know some people go to tournaments to find good players and play them. Win or lose.
I did the 5v5 side tournament. Every single match was recorded with commentary provided by Ken Bogard (in French), Seth Killian, F-Word and Zade. The videos will be on my youtube account http://www.youtube.com/user/hakf
#17: I thought it happened already when he lost that first to ten against Sim didn't hear no excuses just one of Ryu's bad match-ups. (finally)
#6 and #11
Daigo only picked Cammy, because he thought Ryan Hart would pick Dhalsim. Ryan had previously beat Daigo with Dhalsim, so he tried to pick Cammy (who he does play with, and is a much better match-up), but Ryan stuck with Ryu and beat him 2-0.
I'm not a Daigo hater, i think he's the best player in the world actually, but that's just how it went.
il be uploading this vids on my utube page now of the finals quality is kinda crappy because I was in the audience but you can get the feel for the match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v-zfL...
daigo vs ryan hart
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#22: That's cool. It's just annoying when a wave of people come in and post the same crap over and over. Happens when Justin loses, Daigo loses etc. Haters gonna hate.
I could care less. They don't pay my bills. It's just a game.
On topic, sounds like Daigo got caught with his pants down. He's scared of the sim matchup. Tried to catch Ryan, but Ryan kept his cool and was the better player.
Can a broski get full 3s results?
Also good stuff to Hart still trucking and playing. 2 Maks in top 4? I like it looks like France cant handle the grabs. XD And great stuff to Necro in 3rd. Definitely need to see some match videos.
Just goes to show that everyone can be used in this game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnZC7t...
luffy vs ryan hart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uSb9o... - Luffy vs Yota
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcMw00... - Daigo vs Yota
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcqBTR... - Luffy vs Ryan Hart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM50TP...
Luffy (Rose) vs Ryan Hart (Ryu)
I noticed in some other match videos that Daigo had been playing quite a bit of Cammy lately. Maybe his fight against YHC Mochi's Dhalsim in the GodsGarden Online SSF4 tourney (http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2010/ju...) left a lasting impression on him, as far as Ryu vs. Dhalsim goes, and he felt like he needed Cammy to beat Sim.
I added a note into the story, obviously not confirmed, but it states that Daigo took Cammy in an anticipated counter pick to Ryan Hart selecting Dhalsim. Ryan requested a blind select, but ended up going with Ryu, Daigo took Cammy.
The rest of the story you know already...
I think the results here and EVO point to one thing. No country is completely dominant. Art and Daigo had a moneymatch this year and it came down to last game last round. Ryan Hart and Europe didn't make top 8 at Evo (although I saw him in his Lowland Lions jersey, HANDSOME!).
We're at a point where the best are just going to trade games with one another and it's going to come down to how they're playing that day.
@Marn yeah I'm jking, I just like saying on blast hahaha
But I do find it interesting that Ryan beat diago twice now yet you and other American players have made Ryan look free in the past. I don't think Mr. Heart is on par with most U.S. players, so it kind of weird that he was able to beat diago.
Ryan Hart has beat Daigo more than twice. Pretty much every time they meet up in SF4 Daigo loses.
A win is a win and nobody pulled out Daigo's controller in the last moments of the match, so its all fair game. but Daigo's Ryu was absolute tripe. I cant be super happy and swing my british flag around in celebration after watching the match. missing links all over the place. sure, he is human and links can miss here and there, but come on: Level 3 focus > f.hp and then whiffing the dragon punch follow up?
someone made a joke on shoryuken.com about daigo being bribed to lose the match as a joke. no way do i think he actually was bribed, but his performance is so bad that its reasonable to think that..
and this is not even mentioning the poor cammy play.
oh well tho, a win is a win. Im just not as proud as I want to be.
@Toge im not in any competition I had the vids so I uploaded them O.o its not about the quality.. when the fights are up in HD then everyone can care about it until then its just letting people experience what I saw
@Marn
There is nothing such as "Americans are better than Europeans" not just cause you and Justin won the ESWC, it doesn't prove anything. Can you tell me where were you in EVO 2k10? You didn't even make it to top 32. And where were Justin in EVO 2k10? He didn't even make it to top 8. In the top of that, Daigo won the EVO 2k10 and still loses in SVB to the same people who you and Justin won against in ESWC. The point is.. SSF4 got a huge community world wide. Everyone can build their skills by either playing online or facing top players in events, watching tips/tricks/matches on youtube, reading forums, etc. And I believe most dedicated players has reached the max limit skill of this game; what makes a player win against another would be either a bad match-up, making mistakes, etc, you can name other reasons too.
The bottom line is.. There is no such thing as "best player in the world". We are all human, no one can stay in the top forever. The more dedication you put in ANY game, the more result you will get. But every game got its limit. And thanks to the huge community of SSF4, SSF4 has reached its limit. I hope most of you understands what I'm trying to say :)
(P.S. Sorry for the long comment and ALSO for the bad English; it is not my first language)
Peace,,
Talal from Saudi Arabia.
@55
Can you tell me where Ryan Hart was at EVO2k10 he diden't even make top 32. The day I see Europe player coming to America and getting 1st place in a major tourny I might consider Europe is on par with us untill then keep being free Europe btw In sigle elimination anything can happen even the best players might loose.
@54
Obvious fake..compare the character portraits/models.
The creator should darken the model and make the portrait seem less like a cut and paste-work :P.
@ Flawless
'On par with us'
this part confused me because the difference isn't that big,you're just butthurt.
Just because Ryan Hart didn't get far doesn't mean shi-t.
EVO doesn't represent Euro's skill level because of all the participants only 5-10% or less(?) was Euro/Asian?
It's like the US's world series..you call it world series but there isn't much ''worldly'' about it.
And please re-check your own post before posting because with all those errors,it looks like you're really butthurt and that whining isn't makin it less sore.
Hey #58, don't forget that Malek pwned everyone in SC4 during EVO 2k9. It's not Street Fighter, but it still counts as something, right?
I won't lie 'cause I'm not being delusional: I think the US has an edge over Europe because your community is way bigger and you have more tourneys, but don't diss us dude. We ain't free.
Watching the videos, Daigo is definitely having an off day. You can clearly see him missing a lot of combos. It happens to the best of us.
This one match does nothing to dent his reputation though (the finals were single elimination after all). Hart's Ryu was just cleanly outplayed for once. Proving Daigo is not a robot. Still, he could go to show some emotion.
there's so much spotlight on daigo it's literally an entire league analyzing his play style to beat him, not to say it's unfair for him that's what you get for being the best
it's only a matter of time before someone gets to do it right
he used to lose a lot o' 3s games anyway but that was when he was kinda in an out of the scnene
Seems like Diago got beat before the fight even started. Kinda seems like a dirty trick, requestig a blind pick when your going for your main anyway. But Ryan won and so I gues it paid off.
Another thing about the tournament: during the first two days, most of the SSF4 matches were played on HDTV, which means lag, whereas the quarter, semi and finals were played on lagless CRT TVs (including the 5vs5 finals). I'm not trying to defend Daigo... Well, I guess I am, but some players (Luffy and PR Balrog) think that this change may have f*cked-up Daigo's inputs. That and PR Balrog thought Daigo wasn't at 100%. Ryan still deserves his win though, I think the main reason Daigo lost was because he tried to counterpick and, well, Ryan was simply the better player this time.
can't people just enjoy the matches and shut up about the players consistency? Everyone has off days.
seems that Daigo just lost, maybe his weakness is another ryu not thinking like his.
Daigo wasn't using Ryu the whole time, didn't get a chance to play all the mind games and get the download done in time with only a few matches with Ryu. Still, Daigo is human, any number of reasons why he lost (the biggest obviously being Cammy), but he continually wins all the big tournaments and is no doubt the best tournament player in the world.
beat Daigo two games don;t make EU better than Japan. Try to enter Japanese tournaments and with their rule. because you can claim EU is better than Japan. Consider Daigo lost in Japan all the time.
Does anyone remember the interview in the Australian tournament where Daigo said that Ryan Hart is bad? Karma is a bitch
For those of you who are saying Europe > * ... I'm not going to lie, Europe did a very smart thing. Japan coming? RUN SINGLE ELIM. Not that it matters, but because Ryan Hart has been the Daigo killer (since he did it at Stunfest 2010 too? No? It was one of those tournaments he beat Daigo also), does not mean that Europe is even on par with Japan... or even the U.S... Europe has a lot of great players, Luffy, Starnab, Evans, Ryan Hart, Zak Bennett, etc.
But really... If you put those 5 together, are they going to beat the U.S? No, most likely not. Theory fighting of course but Justin and I went to Europe in '09 for StunFest and won like almost everything there. Then again at ESWC, where we beat basically everyone in the tournament that even mattered. Would they beat Japan? Not a chance in hell. So single elimination, and making sure the other semi-American (PR Balrog) had to play against Japan and NOT Europe first round, it turned out to be some secret illuminati things that went on. It's all politics, we see how it is.
For those who bring up EVO2k10... Sure, I didn't make top 32. Justin didn't make top 8. But where was your European hero Ryan Hart? Lost to Perfect Sin, one of the greatest Dhalsims to ever hit Americcan soil. He also didn't make top 32. So why bring up EVO? Isn't this all about Europe v US v Japan? Europeans have never on a SF tournament in the US and probably will never win one. We've gone over there and won a lot of European tournaments. Japan has gone over there and won (not this time unfortunately). Europeans don't travel and when they do they get bopped.
Sorry please face the facts and stop thinking that Europe is anything > any country. If anything Ryan Hart > Daigo. When I say Europe sucks, they do. Ryan Hart? He's the Prodigal Son/Daigo Killer, what can I say. He did it at EVO2k9 in mm, he did it at another European tournament, and he did it now. Did anyone else beat Daigo? No. Evans did in team tournament, but Daigo was teamed up with a girl. Daigo carried the team. What happened in money matches? Got scraped.
Europe can > Antarctica. I'll give them that. Congrats.
I would like to congratulate Ryan Hart on the GODLIKE mindfack of playing Sim in casuals before blind picking Daigo in tournament. That is a true moment of brain process.
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ok.. this is for all the scumbags that are trashing ryan and the UK ... and i am not from the UK .. i just study here .. but i happen to know what happened very well as i was there..
1st day of SVB: daigo was playing casuals and ryan hops on plays as sim vs daigos ryu... ryan wins and very convincingly with 2 rounds to none.. so daigo pics cammy to counter pic ryans dhalsim and daigo wins..
2nd day of SVB: ryan picks ryu and plays daigo's ryu .. ryan loses to daigo's ryu in a best out of 3 casuals
3rd day of SVB TOURNAMENT FINALS DAY: contrary to what this forum posted, it is in acctual fact DAIGO who requested the blind pic and NOT ryan, he requested blinding all the selections for the final 8. daigo picks cammy and ryan picks ryu , OH SNAP !! ryan wins again with great performance. so daigo goes back to ryu, and i hate to say this, but a fact is a fact, DAIGO GOT BUST UP !! and with his own character nontheless. RYU!! isnt he supposed to like know his own character ? stop worshipping him u dumb weaboos just because hes japanese. granted, hes a great if not one of the greatest players and i had the privalige of facing him myself and i learned alot and i highly respect him. but as marn stated, ryan probably has the highest win record against daigo and no one can argue with that.facts are facts, Ryan Hart IS the daigo killer. hes his Kryptonite.
ryan did no mind frakk, daigo mind frakked himself with that stupid blind pick request.
and another thing,
almost all the official UK tournaments have been single elimination for years now. this isnt a rule that they changed just for this occasion. its just how they roll.
Why aren't there a world cup of ssf4 with team (just like the soccer world cup)?? If a 5vs5 tournament exists with a US team, a Japanese team, UK team etc... After that everyone could say that this could say that this country is better than this one.
Sorry for my english.
Daigo never said Ryan Hart was bad stop making things up. If that was true why did they team up together for the team tournament?
The fanboy debates never gets old, does it?
Anyway, congratulations to all the players for their achievements.
Luffy for winning yet another European tournament.
Ryan Hart for taking out "The Beast" again.
Yota for being 15 and playing with the best of em.
@Smexy
Thats cool, i was just pointing out the obvious so people can see the best quality at that time, no competition.
I can even confirm that the SaikyoRB channel has the best quality vids out there right now for the SSF4 finals, they were taking on a tripod right in front of the screen, so go check that out guys.
youtube.com/user/saikyorb (i think) just search for saikyorb
@Marn
"So single elimination, and making sure the other semi-American (PR Balrog) had to play against Japan and NOT Europe first round, it turned out to be some secret illuminati things that went on. It's all politics, we see how it is."
My God. I hope you're joking for once.
ha looks like Ryan hart beat the beast before the match even started. so is USA JAPAN EUROPE= ROCK PAPER SCISSORS? thats what its looking like at this rate
Marn you are just an hypocritical.
first of all: When you guys came to stunfest 09 it was on may, the game was out on console for only 1 month, you guys got a lot of experience playing it on arcade, YOU KNOW THAT EUROPE HAS NO ARCADES RIGHT? thanks
2nd: SVB has been always SINGLE ELIMINATION.
3rd: Daigo lost in Cannes against Ryan. what shows you that you dont know nothing about the EU community or you dont even care cause it is trash for you.
Instead of talk that much bullsh!t, next big EU tournament you come here and you speak like that, cause we are still waiting for you guys, and you never show up. why you didnt attent SVB or cannes? enough $$ prize to cover flight etc... if we are so free you are just "...."??? by not coming here every time there is such event
1 suggestion: now that you have some rep. cause you joined a gaming squad you should not enter in those flame war conversations, not good for your rep. dont be cocky
OMG Marn, Why you always talk about ppl with a such offense level, why do you taunt either IRL or in your match, can't you just be like your colleague Justin and be discret.
Maybe it doesn't seem to you, but think about that : your words appear with a such level of vanity...
Whatever, I know you won't consider my comment, so nvm...
@Marn
First, where were you for SVB and WGC 2010?
Oh ok,you and Justin got the 1st and 2nd place at ESCW,but winning against a few european players proves that you're definitively better?No.You take stunfest 09 as reference too?What a joke,SFIV just released and the community was very young,and the true is that european community improves his level more than you can imagine and we're waiting for you at next big european tournament to see what happen.
Then the 2 real european tournaments were SVB and WGC this year, with ALL the best european players but you weren't there.We're so free, so 2000 euros aren't enough to come kick our free asses?
You say european players will never win EVO?That's ok but it could be possible since American can't win since Daigo has definitively found his free tournament.
Well, there is a big tournament taking place in Europe (swizerland) in the begining of 2011, this time don't miss it because European are free and suck don't forget it.
For the record PR Balrog is not "semi american" he is American. In case you guys dont know, Puerto Ricans ARE american citizens at birth. On another note: trash talking is actually good for any community. look at the Yankees vs Red sox feud for example, or the many soccer (football)rivalries. All this trash talking are signs of a maturing medium. Keep it coming Marn!!!
The thing about me talking is that I'm looking at it from all sides. I say America is free to Japan, and Europe is free to America, etc. It is not trash talking, I am merely stating facts. The thing is you guys come at me saying I'm talking trash but really, when people are saying incorrect things and Europe > USA, etc. everyone goes yay he's right :]. But then when I say something that contradicts that, everyone's like WHOA WHOA WHOA COULDN'T YOU HAVE LET HIM GIVE US PHRASE FOR ONCE? Please get real for a second. I don't sugarcoat anything my good fellow fighting game players.
If Europe is better than America why did we beat top 2 of this tournament at ESWC? Was there a problem there that wasn't here? I hope they've gotten better. Cause I'll be seeing all of you in Switzerland. ;].
It always mind-boggles me when someone beats Daigo it's spectacular to the acme. Also I feel as though Daigo wasn't too into this, kinda seems as though he got bored. Or for that matter getting bored idk, or apathetic towards winning this. Gj's to every1, but i just thought i'd reiterate for you guys. Daigo is still better than Ryan, and Luffy his footsies during the Ryu mirror was far better than Ryan's. Besides Ono lied about not changing of characters, and said we'd prefer our SSF4 characters over our SF4 characters. Can't say it's true, but im sticking with Ryu have since i wore tighty whities so it won't change. Some of you call the guys who cheer for Daigo names, and what not, but he inspires everyone, and moves the Ryu mainers. So if we don't cheer for him who will? I know Daigo is #1, and the Ryu haters know it most tis the entire reason they hate. Im a little bitter about the nerfs, but i still win 91% of my online fights. Im not Daigo, don't wanna be, when hes on you pay attention or you'll miss out
Marn, there's a difference between saying USA > Europe and going "OMG EUROPE SUCKS......... U ALL FREE". I think the US players are overall better than European players, but it doesn't mean the European level is sh!t. It'd be nice if you weren't an arse towards us.
Can I just say the USA has a GLUT of very very very very very good Rufus' including Marn, JWong, Ricky Ortiz - we're gonna struggle with this character, of course.
The French have the best bunch of players in the whole of the EU and I don't think none of them have a good Rufus to practise against.
Wanna take down USA? Take down Rufus.
@ZaMuL lol man that's cold trying to abash the guy like that. Tbh, there is no country greater/less than any country, that's just an inane way to state something by saying it. There are only players who work hard at what they like wether it's majority in a country or a individual. This is how we should see it nothing, but hard work, the more scintilate ppl know this. So i say all are equal some just work harder.
Sup Marn, How you doing? I just wanted to say that me losing at EVO doesnt mean USA are better than Europe. I was the only top player from Europe but there are many, not just me, Zak and Luffy. I felt that you winning against us in ESWC was partially because you have a better scene and were more ready for the event, especially Justin.
In any case nobody in the US can beat Alioune, just ask Sanford Kelly, he'll tell you. Alioune is the best in Europe so unless he is beaten Europe can stand tall. Same can be said for Justin too I guess as he won in Europe.
The only reason wins EVO's is because people are too afraid of him in tournaments. Whenever I see matches on the big stage, people flop in important moments. Just look at Daigo vs Lamerboi for a perfect example. I see that every evo when Daigo is playing.
Daigo never wins in Europe without taking a tourney loss or two so USA who DO have the bigger and better scene should be creaming him. Daigo is amazing but you guys in the USA raise him up too high when youre actually up against him. Dont do that, just play your regular game and you will stand a better chance. Trust me, it works!
Also, just because I can beat Daigo that does not mean I think I am better, I think Daigo is better than me at ssf4. Im not even the best in Europe anyway but Im working on that :)
Also I can tell you, I went to EVO and more than half the players were not even top players, just good and thats it. EU players would smash them, I alone was able to handle all but just a small handful. So I think the difference isnt that far even if US are a better for now. Then again like I said I really dont see what any of them could do against Alioune really. Just play this guy if you think Im joking. He is Jap level for sure!
Very fun convos going on haha. Say what you will, but Marn makes things way more interesting sometimes. Ryan is an outstanding player and a class act.
People need to understand that a lot of Street Fighter is like rock-paper-scissors and a lot depends on how a player is feeling that day, travel fatigue, etc. You can't make definitive statements easily about who's better and such. And I agree that people hype up Daigo way too much to the point that I always expect at least one critical mental error to happen, which is when Daigo takes advantage and wins, even when he was clearly losing. Daigo is awesome, but he's just a man...a man who knows his opening will come eventually by his nervous opponent.
You yanks might not have noticed but their are pretty much no arcades in the UK outside of london. The EU scene is no were near the size of US / JAP yet it still manages to produce world class players. Big shout out to all those who took part and for building the rep of uk/eu.
saying we will never win evo only makes us more determined to up our game!
@RH
When Ali actually travels to a tournament outside of his area, then his name can be brought up. To say he would beat anyone in the US, especially including Justin in that, is just ridiculous.
Make top 8 at EVO EU...dare you.
I hope you smash them again in Switz Marn.
who really cares about what country is better than the other? theres too many players to even measure that stat. but everyone does agree that japan is better than the rest and thats all that matters i guess.. 2nd place is irrelevant..
tournament results don't even really show much.. i.e. evo, just because justin, marn, and ryan hart didn't make top 8, doesn't mean they aren't better than those in the top 8.. and people are complaining that daigo had the easiest route to win. thats what you get with tournaments; he didn't even get put into the losers bracket..
where its at is the money matches.. anyone can play anyone.. i'd be far more interested in winning a money match against the best player, than winning a tournament and getting lucky not to fight people because they got eliminated by someone else..
Maybe with that the news will be changed:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64qLsW...
Only the beginning is in french. That's after the finals.
@Marn and RyanHart
What do you guys think about SSF4 in terms of game balance? We've recently seen lots of great players using very different characters and even winning tournaments. Do you think SSF4 is the most balanced SF game to date? I'd be nice to hear from people that really know what they're are talking about. Thanks.
Considering that the state of Wisconsin is practically the same size of our Country alone, you'd expect the US to have perhaps 50 times the number of top players. Although Justin, Arturo, and Sanford (to name a few) are all "godlike" players, a country of your size should not depend on such a few top players to obtain you all bragging rights.
As Ryan said, Europe doesn't have much of a fighting game scene, at least not in comparison to the US/Japan, but the players we do have here are of a fantastic quality. We're not by any means taking away from the skill that has already been proven by American players, we are simply making it known that for a nation as small as ours, with a scene as tiny as ours... we're a force to be reckoned with.
Yo..... UUUUUGHLLLLLL!!!!!!
I'll wait til evo Japan and see who does the best against the Japanese. A neutral location for Europe and the US, they just gotta show up.
5v5 playlist: http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list...
Four matches are up so far, matches 5 and 6 will go up today, 7 and 8 tomorrow, then top 8 will follow.
UK + France Population = Approx 120 Million. Seeing as the UK and France dominated SvB, we can drawn upon that as a comparison. To be fair, you could work out the population of all the areas that represent the US at EVO. It would be an interesting comparison.
I guess at the end of it all, there is no better evidence than tournament results. Until the top US players meet with the top European, there really is no point in hypothesising.
It would just be nice if the US could support us for defending against Daigo instead of looking for excuses as to why they didn't do the same. Thanks to those who did though. Rivalry is good and all, but why don't we collaborate to go storm Japan next year?
A historical perspective: In the 1960's the Europeans and the South Americans were arguing about who had the best soccer clubs and the arguments sounded like the ones here...so they decided to go at it and started the intercontinental cup. What Im trying to say is that the community in general has arrived at a point were an actual world tournament is plausible. Lets make it happen!!!
Firstly, I did NOT play a first to five with Daigo. It was a casual first to 2 wins matchup. We only played two matches and he won 2-0 Ryu vs Ryu. We were supposed to play a first to 5 money match but Daigo left immediately after losing in the tournament so it never happened. So those two matches you see on youtube (me using the blue Ryu) are the only matches we played Ryu vs Ryu. Please amend this, thanks.
Regarding EVO 2010: People keep asking so I will just tell everyone. The reason I didn't make top 8 is because I lost to a Juri player.
I make no excuses, I lost fair and square but it is also a fact that I had never played against Juri before and had no idea what was going on in the matchup. loool
Losing that totally shook my focus and it all went downhill from there.
There were many good players at EVO that would have given me trouble so Im not saying I would have won EVO if I beat the Juri. No definitely not saying that, but I would have had a chance against anyone and I mean anyone. Especially in a first to 2 situation.
(Same thing happened the year before when I lost to Arturo, I had never played a good Sim before, and anyway that is no easy match for Sagat so I might have lost even if I did know it)
So people need to just relax talking about me not making top 8, its only the smallest of things that decided stuff like that and no big margins. I'm not even the best in Europe yet I beat nearly everyone in America that I played (including Daigo) last year at EVO 2009 in money matches (winning way over 90% of them) and this year I did extremely well in money matches and in the Salty Suite tournament too taking 4th place behind only the very best of players.
If more Europeans came it might be harder for the US to claim all the top spots behind Daigo.
I am not the best in Europe, I am not the best in the US or anywhere, except UK for now. But I play, enjoy the game, enjoy the challenge and that's it. There are so many cool players in the scene too and it's nice to meet them all. I am always very welcomed by the US players, they are so friendly and cool and strong at SF.
I may be the best person to comment on this being the most travelled player worldwide that's in the scene and if you ask me USA are better than Europe overall. I don't know if anyone can beat Alioune in the US but overall there are more strong players in the US than in Europe.
Japan is of course above EU, US and Korea on SF but they are still forces to be reckoned with.
But on another note: Is it just me or was anyone else shocked that Daigo won EVO again? The guy is amazing don't get me wrong but I mean Daigo picked Ryu and did EXACTLY the same tactics that he won with a year ago. He didn't do a single new thing. You mean in a whole year no one even bothered to work out his game??? Why did any of the serious players even bother going to EVO if they weren't prepared for if they face Daigo?
"But on another note: Is it just me or was anyone else shocked that Daigo won EVO again? The guy is amazing don't get me wrong but I mean Daigo picked Ryu and did EXACTLY the same tactics that he won with a year ago. He didn't do a single new thing. You mean in a whole year no one even bothered to work out his game??? Why did any of the serious players even bother going to EVO if they weren't prepared for if they face Daigo?"
this.
Marn does not represent the entire USA opinion of Europe so please stop acting like he does. There are plenty of people in the USA who thought Daigo getting third and you guys placing above him was awesome... which includes me.
But Marn also has a point that Justin and he placed above you guys at that other tournament a ways back. No one can say conclusively at this point who's better because the USA and Europe haven't played enough. And one tournament does not make or break you. Justin didn't get top 8 at EVO but almost everyone considers him to be the best player in the USA still. It's about being consistent, not deciding how good or bad everyone is after one freaking tournament.
Daigo losing at SVB was a big deal because he's still considered to be the best player on the planet. Daigo has not ever nor will not ever win every tournament he enters, but he places better consistently than every other person on the planet. When it's a bigger deal when you lose than it is when you win, you know you've accomplished something huge.
Anyway what's upsetting to me is the fact that Luffy isn't getting more credit. That dude has been hella consistent and won a bunch of tournaments and yet he's still not very well regarded in the tournament scene. His win was completely overshadowed by Daigo losing.
Yes it's true Luffy did well but I'm still salty about the loss in the finals. I don't know anything about that matchup as the vid shows and losing like that hurts because you didn't lose because you were outplayed or your mind was read. It's a lack of knowledge of the character and that only. Luffy refused to play me before and after the tournament which I didn't like. He said "It's normal to hide your tactics before the tournament". I've been gaming for 20 years and I've never needed to do that so whatever to that crap. I've never seen Daigo or Justin Wong doing that either.
@145 I don't think Daigo losing in this tournament was at all a big deal. Like you say consistency of victories is possibly the only way to determine this greater than country less than country propaganda. Working hard is the only way to achieve consistent victories.
Ofcourse japan is seemingly 10-15 notches above everyone else. What terribly vexes me though, is the fact of people incesantly wanting to claim a #2 spot O_o. Wheres the basis for comparison here? "If you're not 1st, you're last" lol. The UK supposedly having little arcades means nothing. Don't give hollow excuses, If anything less arcades may be favorable for you guys.
Think of it this way, since your gaming access is smaller than others means that the drive to get your chance is greater. In japan at an arcade ok you lose, so what i'll just play on another. You guys have to be determined to get your light, and shine making you guys hungry.
As far as Daigo losing, understand this he's considered the "BEST" so everyone who has the idea of beating him has studied his every move since SF4 tournaments. He still manages to win consistently. Losing to RH would be like me losing to a 10 yr old after beating him 200xs.
Im not taking from RH, but Daigo has shown to be the Oro/Shin Akuma/Gouken of SF, no? Yes! if anyone could even be called the best in the world which is not possible, its Daigo. You can't say, oh tinkerbell from the other side of the world is better purely inane. Daigo is the Ali in this field deal with it. Who cares about country tiers lol.
I know you shouldn't forget where you came from, but in the end there can only be the individual who becomes #1. So don't stress over diminutive things like country tiers.
Well, arguing on "who's the best" is not such a bad thing, but there is so much hate...
Anyway, Congratulations on winning the SVB! Hope you can get to the evo next year.
@149 Don't worry Luffy just know you're not the best so don't stress lol. Trying to mitigate everything with your feint superior toned comment because you won. Lol you're so transparent, and i think you guys are on a ego trip over these little wins, just waiting to get your reality check. KK im done this topic some ppl are so funny lol. Oh, Daigo is by a wide margin the BEST every other # doesn't matter, but im sure from #1 to 25, are all japan pros, then maybe justin, ricky, mike, and alex, then maybe korea, and UK -_-.
I have a question :
Why everyone puts Umehara as the world strongest player in SFIV, since I don't remember him wining a major competition in Japan. Correct me if I'm wrong but :
- National Tournament : Iyo
- National Tournament team : Kindevu, RF, Momochi
- Gods Garden 1: Mago
- Gods Garden 2: Tokido
- Gods Garden 2.5: Nemo
- Gods Garden Online : Sako
- Tougeki SBO : Cabetsu/Ogosho
I don't see any Umehara in these :(
So how can you be the world strongest, only by winning some overseas tournaments with a few "good" players (Evo for exemple...)
And if I'm not wrong, even in World Game Cup 2010 in France, he only won the team tournament with Eita, the two other single tournament were taken by Eita and Fuudo. And now getting 3rd at SVB...
Maybe I'm wrong, I'm following the SFIV community and results from far, but I really want to understand why he is considered the best.
Thanks :)
@Frionel :
He's ranked #2 at arcade ranking, rank #1 at online ranking (cheaters aside) and there's also that Guiness world record thing.
He also won many tournaments in Japan, but mostly before SF4.
He's also the only player able to claim he's clearly superior to JWong since they played together several times. There's probably other japanese player in this case but we can't really know for sure.
I perfectly understand all of this is no proof, so i'll rest my case by saying Daigo's superiority is a consensus among top players. In America, he's got tons of victories at EVO and JWong respects him a lot (which is kind of a miracle by itself). In Europe, Luffy stated "once you played against Daigo, you understand every other Ryu sucks. He just goes forward while other Ryus go backward". in Japan, Mago, Tokido and crew agreed that Daigo would win Godsgarden 2 (and they were proven wrong...)
Are even the pros exagerating Daigo's skills ? Maybe, but since those guys have a much better understanding of the game than I do I tend to think their opinions can't be so far from reality.
The Guinness World record that Daigo got is about to be given to me. Just so you know, it's being processed as we speak.
Also, it's not connected but I answer a few questions here in my blog.
http://lowlandlions.com/index.php/com...
Topics covered:
Me vs Daigo
USA vs Europe
My personal performance at SVB 2010 (Most of you don't need to care about this one I imagine ;))
I really like youre good vibe Ryan, maybe youre not on top right now but eventually you will. The passion has to be focused on the game, the skills, creativity. I mean, this guy Luffy beat everyone consistenly with ROSE as his main char, that means something.
@162 Ha!! very good I 100% percent agree with you my money is on the BEAST even if he were to lose 10 in a row. My money is on the BEAST lol, because he's just better than you other guys period.
@Joppula
I can see you haven't read anything in the link I posted. I didn't post it just for fun, it's so people can read it. Daigo blind picked me, but it's ok. It's a tournament, there is nothing wrong with blind picking me. I also don't get your point, I played Daigo in casuals before the tournament with both Ryu and Sim so I wasn't hiding anything like Luffy.
Secondly, I'm sorry if it seemed like I only responded to certain people's comments. I'm not gonna reply every single thing someone says here and only certain things are relevant.
Of course Daigo won it twice in a row, Daigo is sick at Street Fighter, a proper beast. People only say he's a beast cos he wins but they know nothing. It's not winning that makes him a beast, it's just him. Even the times he didn't win on 3s, he was still sick!
Next thing is you'd need to be more specific about me not fairing well, I was definitely up there to win the tourney in EVO 2009.
Daigo lost twice in money matches, once to me and once to Arturo showing that he wasn't invincible and in a first to two situation he would have had trouble had he come up against us and other players in tournament.
Sometimes it's all about who you come up against in tourney.
Also one thing nobody is bothering to mention is that Daigo may have won the tourney with Ryu in EVO 2009 but he only had to play from top 32 and not go through the whole tourney like everyone else (which was over 1,000 players including brackets). He just blatantly got to skip over half the tournament for free.
Then come up against people who have worked hard to get there through brackets and who are tired. Then they come up against fresh Daigo in the most pressuring part of the tournament (who probably hadn't done anything but sleep, sign sticks and win money since arrival).
As far as I understood you were seeded if you were a national champion. The national champions as far as I know were Iyo for Japan, Poongko for Korea and Justin Wong for USA. Then when I see the gamestop vids suddenly Daigo is there? But what did he win? And how did he earn his seeding at EVO? Looks like somewhere things have just been handed to Daigo on a plate. Put me in Japan for years and then invite me to some US tournament and I'll batter everyone.
But that's totally unfair, those other guys won their tournaments while Daigo didn't.
It's like "Yea these guys sweat blood and tears to get here but if you beat them now then we'll give them nothing and you everything". I hope I'm not getting this right, someone please fill me in cos I must be missing something.
Even Justin Wong didn't make top 8 this year. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. There isn't and Justin is still a great player. I am just saying that it shows that without a "bye" or "freebie" where you skip most of the tournament things can be a lot harder.
Until I get new info, as far as I'm concerned Daigo's 2009 win at EVO is not fair. Daigo didn't win the Nationals because Iyo won it, nor did he come 2nd or anywhere. I saw the matches myself so why was Daigo even at Gamestop tourney? I thought that was for the National champions only? If Iyo couldn't make it why wasn't RF invited as he came 2nd?
Daigo lost to Vega Curry Sagat and in any case wasn't Gamestop exhibition just an exhibition, why did it need to be connected to EVO? EVO is so high level and expensive, it's unfair to give anyone freebies. If anything it's us here in the west with less experience who should have the advantage and freebie, not someone from Japan coming to mop up.
Last thing I want to rant about (lol) which I have humbly kept quiet about for so long now is, if being the national champ gets you seeded then why wasn't I seeded being the official Capcom European Champion that year especially as I came all that way to rep Europe? Explain that then? As far as I'm concerned it was all just a marketing stunt, "If we have Daigo and Justin on stage, people will come".
we already have the best world tournament, evo.. people just need to show up, no excuses.. with a $20,000+ prize pool, why wouldn't you if you think you're the best..
@#154 it just shows how good the skill level is in japan, having a different person win with each tournament
justin wong wins about every tournament in the u.s. that he enters with the exception of evo.. thats why people think he's the top u.s. player..
know your matchups.. don't complain about it.. or else you'll get mauled by people like luffy and gamerbee..
and as for daigo, how can you not consider him being the best? mistake me if i'm wrong, but i don't think he lost any money matches at the salty suite, on top of not losing a set at evo.. thats impressive since its a double elimination tourney..
does anyone know who put gamerbee and ryan hart in the losers bracket?? i've been trying to research, but i can't find it anywhere...
@167 Do you realise how much it costs to come to Evo from the UK? It's approximately £1000 when you include accomodation, living, and travel costs. Thats approximately $1540, so I wouldn't say 'no excuses'.
I would love it if all the best European players could come to Evo. It would be so much fun!
I don't see what this debate is achieving now. Some people speak sense, whilst others continue to love up Daigo regardless of what is being said.
@ RiXindaMiX
Ryan used to be a SAGAT player, he didn't have to worry about the matchups with his TU+stHK+ultra. Since he can't rely no more on this broken phase he's lost, he's discovering damage reduce and stuff.
@Ryanhart
That's the 3rd time I hear you complain about the matchups (Rose, Juri and Ibuki if I remember), except Rose's been here for 2 years. Start considering other players point of view for once, you think luffy bought a book 'how to beat everyone with Rose'? The character is good but not top-tier, there's no real tutorial on the web the guy created his character from scratch. Keeping his tactics 'secret' is one of his card he doesn't have a srk>metsu.
By the way, he created a counterattack to daigo since he lost to him in cannes, he wished he could play against him in finals to test it..
Oh and you're kind of right with that logistics stuff..but that's so lk to lp man..stop talking bout that your honor jauge is decreasing.
USA is pretty bad in sf4,its kinda free for europe in any case,semidecent players in USA like sanford kelly,dr.chaos,fyc rider,alex valle,shizza,vangief,mike ross,floe,marn,henry chen,jhon choi,jr,online tony cant stand a chance against top euro players...I can see just ricky ortiz e justin giving trouble...in any case alioune can only be beaten by a top japan
@165 Never thought of it that way you're right. Ugh, i was being single-minded, but nevertheless Daigo is my favorite because of his uncanny equanimity at all times. He's open, and humble while possessing such unatural talent. The things he does, and have done at 1st, and long glance can make other players seem execrable.
That, is why i like Daigo, and i could go on about his positives, but you get the gist. Also im a Ryu player since sf2 tighty whities using only the hadouken to win, then getting scared against Sagat because you knew in sf2 Sagat spammed tiger shot crazy so you had to not miss 1 hadouken lol.
So it's kinda common for me to favor a Ryu player, RH you have great points that ppl have omitted from thier memory banks. Even i had forgotten some of the things you mentioned. So with all that i say GJ to every, and to yourself you should be the best. GGs
Sry Ryan I have respect for you and all, but...
You not knowing 'alien'-matchups (like Rose), is YOUR problem not Luffy or anyone else's. It is normal to not share your secrets before facing each-other in like ANY discipline sport. I know with SF this is not so common yet, but believe me it will be normal in the future.
So YOU should step it up and learn those Rose/Juri matchup. And we know it is not like impossible, for unusual matchup you just play Live till you find a good player. Stick with him for a while and learn the damn matchup (like Mike Ross did with Adon) I know it is a different world not able to choose SF4 Sagat and not caring about matchups because you always win with him.
@kil_ About Luffy, I'm just saying the truth, people ask why I lost and that's why I lost. I never said it wasn't my own fault or that I don't give Luffy credit for developing Rose by himself.
Also what are you talking about? What do you really know? Did Sagat win EVO or every Japanese tournament?? What tournaments did Sagat win in the US? Sagat is soooo broken right? A broken character is usually proven by repeated tournament success. Even in Japan where they take a character to its highest level Sagat was not always on top. But despite there being Sagat players in every tourney, they never win. I agree that Sagat was too strong, but broken, no. So me using Sagat is nothing to do with my gaming success. Also I am still placing high and winning tournaments without Sagat now so get your facts straight.
In fact not using Sagat has gotten me even better at SSF4.
@Ryose I totally agree and I will do my best to work on my flaws.
@RyanHart
yea yea I might have exgerated with my semantics. But you put too much emphasis on not knowing the matchups it kinda bothered me. Juri sure but come on...Rose is available since vanilla, the argument is getting old.
We totally agree on Sagat, I wasn't talking about actually winning but about the way you approach the game. With sagat a combo was a large step to victory, you played your game first the opponent came second. I was talking about the characters approach philosophy, I didnt meanto link sagat with success and be that disrespectful.
"In fact not using Sagat has gotten me even better at SSF4"
Of course, that was my point you need to be more creative to win. Maybe you should do like Mago, stop picking in toptiers and start building up some exotic character.
That's a point that could be discussed : I noticed a buch of boxer/dictator/Ryu among Uk players. It seems the creativity was more continental with the Frenchs Rose and Feilongs,Makoto/Switzerland,Sakura/Sweden,Rose/Norway,Elf/ Belgium (not sure bout those 3 sry)..might be just me.
@kil_ I've always used multiple characters on SF4. Ken was my main, but Sagat just won more so for serious comp I used him. Anyway, yeah I understand your point. Also Fei Long is not hard to use so I wouldn't put him in 'creative' section.
However I do agree with you about Europe and 'other' characters. In the UK we have Dudley, Guy, Abel, Zangief, Dhalsim, Fuerte, T.Hawk, Blanka and some others. Actually while I was in the US I noticed a lot more boxer and dictator going on. They were good though, I'm just saying.
Thank you for your compliment, but no, I'm just a player doing my bit in the gaming world. It's great to meet you all as well and hear what you guys have to say. :) I know not everyone will agree with each other and that's normal. The world would be kinda boring if we all thought exactly the same way about everything. At least we have somewhere that we can freely voice our opinions and learn to agree with each other or maybe by posting here we agree to learn how to agree to disagree. haha whichever it turns out to be...
I haven't read all you said Ryan, but most of it. The only part I must disagree on would be what you about being surprised about Daigo winning EVO again. I remember the interview by Gootecks with Arturo after the salty suite about how Daigo had played the exact same the year before. Really those lines really discredit Daigo A LOT. Maybe it's because I'm a Daigo fanboy and such, but his gameplay has dynamically changed through this year. Also with Ryu's nerf, I'm pretty sure playing the exact same is pretty much impossible...
And truly Daigo had missed crucial links in your semi Final matchup. As I'm not a Cammy player, I'm quite sure he was up by 50% life lead in the 3rd round and missed one of his links and it all went downhill from there including the next match. I'm quite sure the next time you meet Daigo, people won't be calling you the "Daigo Slayer" or such anymore.
@RyanHart, is it true that at ESWC 2010 in france, the Colombian player GeoM PKK, beat you 10-7 in casuals? and that he even perfected you once or twice?, it seems there is a video but only those from the team have seen it, please confirm.
and congrats for beating Daigo, you might sound cocky but, but you have beat Daigo several times (won tournamnets and some Guiness Records entries as well), and if he tried to blind pick you, that alone tells me that Daigo was afraid or at least not confident in his main. Whatever the reason, mad props for beating him, certainly not an easy task, too bad luffy pretty much kicked you ass, not knowing the matchup certainly helped Luffy and of course his Rose can easily be the best in Europe.
@ 179
For whatever its worth, you get a completely different Ryan Hart when he plays in a tourney than when he plays in casuals. I'm not posting just because I know him, but he beat Daigo fair and square - I'm praying that SvB 2011 will be even bigger event - and hopefully Jwong etc will attend!
@TCM90 Well, I respect your opinion and that's fine. However we don't have to agree on every point. I think he more or less did the same stuff both years and won.
Missing links then losing is just an excuse, this is the highest level of the sport, why pick a rusty character in the late stages of an important match/tournsment. Why not just pick your main and be a man like I did? In the first place why was he just trying to counter pick my sim for an easy(easier) win? All these things led to his loss and maybe he learned something from that.
We are all human, we make mistakes. I made round and match ending mistakes at both EVO's against neo, perfect sin and arturo but then lost the match because of them but nobody defends me with those excuses. They just say I lost and the guy I lost to is better, so why does Daigo get these excuses made for him?
Lastly, why are you so desperate for Daigo to beat me? Saying stuff like "You won't be called Daigo slayer anymore..." Firstly people don't call me that and I never named myself that. I'm just a player and I am not the only one who can beat Daigo whether you like it or not. Daigo is amazing and losing doesn't change that, he's still amazing so just chill out.
Me beating Daigo doesn't make me better or anything, get this; losing doesn't make you bad and winning doesn't make you good, it's the consistency of everything, things like your scene around you, your experience, your choice of character, your dedication, your talent, etc that decides these things.
It's these things why Daigo is amazing, nothing to do with just winning EVO twice on SF4.
@Game Garden: Colombian player. Did he use Ibuki? Yes I remember playing an Ibuki pad player but we never had a first to ten challenge, cos if we did I would have picked Ryu who was my main character, I only played Guy against Ibuki because I was having trouble with that matchup then.
So once again we did not play a first to ten challenge. We just randomly played every now and again during the day. If the guy decided to secretly tally up the wins and make a name for himself then that is his business. But after analysing his game I can tell you now that he was not that good. I'm just saying it how it is and you can ask anyone that was at the event because he was talked about. Yes, he did perfect me some rounds, its Ibuki and I was Guy, gimme a break!
Luffy really kicked my ass in the finals, hahaha. I have to learn something from that, that's what it is. I look forward to the next challenge with him.
@ryan
you seem like a kool bruda still im a mad daigo fan real talk but i give you mad props for beating him.
I think the hate comes from fans if arsenal lose to a team I feel aint as good I will say all sorts of things.
Not trying to come at you with 'na you aint better than daigo' but to be real i dont think you are, i mean overall he wins mad amounts of games and the way he can adapt to play styles and the speed he can do it at is mad! thats the reason i think he is so hyped!
I think people feel so against you is people feel daigo is better and i guess people expect him to win and when he doesnt its an upset just my opinion fam.
wanted to ask when you and daigo played the first to 2 casual was that after the semi's or before??? he seemed pretty piss'd off lol and look like he had something to prove.
i think you saying daigo won evo doing the same stuff is a bit of salt talk sometimes i play people and do the same stuff but thats only cause i dont need to change it up due to them not being that good. i've watched loads of daigo matches and i can see when he changes styles and gears due to who he is playing he has a lot to his game even if he doesnt show it.
I think he most definitely under estimated you and with the interview talk about you being just good in europe was a bit trashy i didnt rate that talk at all and when he picked cammy thats a wasteman ting he showed no respect to you and for that alone... well done for beating him! but if he had beaten you... then lol oh dear definitely a par! i cant wait for you 2 to go head to head again!!!! my money and heart is on daigo but thats just a chin/k thing lol no disrespect to you at all mad props for even talking back to people!
good luck with everything! local people tell me your a bit cocky and think your kinda nang but fukc it lol do your ting init!!!!
p.s.
can i ask you who do you think is the best overall player at sf4/ssf4
@RyanHart
Thanks for clarifying that for me, I wasn't sure what to believe, but Guy vs Ibuki is a difficult matchup.
He was 4th or 5th in his group IIRC, so you saying he was not good is just accurate.
Sorry to bother you with more questions, but I wanted to know if you played casuals against Justin Wong, at EVO or ESWC, and if you did, do you remember the final score?
Once again, mad props for you, you are a consistent and a hell of a player.
Haha, I'm definitely not better than Daigo. You guys are nuts, when did I ever say that? I won in the tourney yes, but that don't make me better. Trolls will troll man, damn! Also yes me and J.Wong played Casuals and he won more I think it was like 7-3 to him when we stopped. I def felt like I needed more training at that time.
@hands of god:
"good luck with everything! local people tell me your a bit cocky and think your kinda nang but fukc it lol do your ting init!!!!"
Who are these people? Do they know me or just people who think they know me? People should keep quiet and not just guess all the time.
couple friends have told me, they play in choc down west, they dont know you personally its more you as a player rather than a person
The HDR results are wrong, here's the full results:
Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix:
1: KaosFlare (Guile)
2: WA Qarnage (Boxer, Guile)
3: ORF (Ryu)
4: PR Balrog (Chun Li, Boxer)
5-8: Remy77077 (Dee Jay)
5-8: PRV (E. Honda)
5-8: Fulan (Blanka)
5-8: Sprint (Cammy, Zangief)
My HDR report is here:
http://agoners.wordpress.com/2010/08/...
Wow Daigo came 3rd and he used Cammy. Crazy tournament, good work to Luffy for taking it out.