Thanks to Krystram for pointing out the clip.
Nerfed my ass he's even stronger if you can Tiger (Angry) Scar into Ultra without juggling now. I'd be more than happy to give up 50hp and a bit of damage for all the possibilities with Tiger (Angry) Scar. Plus I heard it has massive invincibility frames ,ridiculous recovery speed as shown in the video and godly frame advantage when used and when using his next tiger uppercut. Sagat is not weaker he's stronger.
The damage doesn't appear to be reduced yet in this build. What gives?
"Sagat is our main focus to nerf, we know many people have many complaints about his strength and overall advantage. We will fix that."
And then he gets a new move that makes him even better when most other characters barely got anything aside form 2nd ultra and stay just as bottom tier as before. Best example; Guile.
Whining out of the way, He's even more of a God mode boss fight than ever before. Nothing like a true appreciation for a win against God Sagat.
man.. this is a new game mechanic that every character should have... its really cool looking.. why only sagat!
same with juri's custom combo... everyone should have one!
I'm actually happy they did that because all you whiners can whine harder now.
I'm just gonna watch this video a couple of times to mentally prepare myself from the legion of fagats that are gonna flood online. Thank you capcom! Best.nerf.evar
So... they give sagat a new move... to make up for the *general* mechanics nerfs like lack of trade ultra? Did he NEED a new move? this is just stupid. Did any other character get a new move or just rank sagat (ultras excluded)? Not that I know of. Plus, this is just stupid for high-level play. Capcom just loves Sagat.
Why the hell did they improve him? Why?
They did NOT confer with high level players; if they did, they were all sagats.
Wow i didn't think it would function like this at all!
I thought it would be something like Hakans "oiling up" where if the player is seperated from the opponent for a second he can use this to power him up a bit
But obviously that's not the case AT ALL, im gonna have to prepare for the amount of sagats that are gonna make me flip sh!t because of this..
when Sagat needed 2 ex bars to hit confirm ultra he was considered overpowered now he only needs 1 ex bar and won't need to worry about damage scaling on his ultra if he gets in deep enough .
Has anyone confirmed this is the final build? Commenting on a beta build would be pointless and deceptive...
Worst nerf ever. roflcopter at the "pro" testers at Capcom.
What a bunch of scrubs.
I do not play as sagat....But all this complaining is retarded to listen too. This is a staged combo video...this may have taken him 1000 times to do...And if sagat is that good..does it matter...does it really matter...I have played hundreds of sagats online...if there better than me they will win...if there the same skill level or close to it it could go either way still...and guys...the game isnt out yet.
What? He can slow time but walks as slow as fu(k? Make him faster too capcom!
/fu(king sarcasm
at taicak #34
hum have you learned about hit confirms ?
now with the angry scar you have like 0.01% chance of making a mistake after he activates the angry scar...This is the only reason I'm not very happy about that...not only he's already good but he can also have a chance to see if he can continue attacking or not ? well that sucks...I would like to have something like that when I use soul spirals with my rose lol
but this video made me want to use sagat now....for ONCE sagat looks fun to use (sorry but sagat players that plays like mago...no offense but I hate your style of playing lol
and just so other people see what I'm talking about...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqNpHd...
very funny match XD)
WTF...I can grimly imagine the Fagat cockriders nutting themselves into ecstacy over the fact that he still appears to be a broken piece of sh!t. Yep, Capcom definitely favors Sagat. EVERYONE should have received a new move or two, not just this towering scrotum pole.
Hell, might as well give him a Tiger Teleport, Strength/Defense boost from a taunt, and a screen-filling Tiger Cannon while they're at it. If they plan on keeping him broken, go all out.
Complaints aside, we still have to see just how effective Sagat is going to be. But the prospects thus far look bleak.
Stop your crying, get in, do damage, and avoid getting hit by tiger shots, and standing roundhouse? are we serious guys? so you're telling me that Sagat was spamming standing roundhouse? I've played plenty of Sagat's who never even used the move, I don't think just because it's cancellable that everyone is gonna switch and use it, plus you can always block. The only time I see this really threatening is against a Gief player. ... but I hate gief, so oh well.
@35
don't say bs, they removed the worst by far that was trade into ultra and fadc ultra damage nerf, and it seems it's on a counter hit only
Thank God they left the King on top.
I don't even play Gat, I just love the fact that all the pre-teen scrubs (you know, the ones who whine about Gat being broken and the ones who think 'Fagat' is a clever nickname) are going to cry themselves to sleep because of this.
@Eventscrubs:
No need to be in the closet concerning this issue. You main Sagat. No shame in using broken characters; the main issue is when game designers deliberately create an unbalanced character. Also, you sound like one of those "pre-teen scrubs", judging by your moniker.
Not only does Sagat now have ezmode hit confirms off of strong moves, the angry-scar-pause looks like it would really screw up the flow of the game.
I like the changes they did to Sagat's damage.
I don't mind losing to Sagats, but when they have to work less damage-wise to take excessive amounts of my precious Akuma's life you bet your a$$ I mind.
The scar was the only thing they could think of to make the Sagat players not so pissed off because of the huge damaged nerfs, but IMO was NOT necessary if they weren't giving any other of the characters new moves.
Overall I'm okay with what they did to Sagat, it was more than I expected, honestly.
Let me get this straight Capcom nerfed Ryu much more than Sagat, while Sagat is stronger. How does that make any fcuking sense? Ryu can no longer trade Dp into Ultra (only in rare circumstances where you can) can no longer cancel his fireball with super if fire is on screen, Fierce DP is 2hits damage scaling. DP has less priority and fireball 1 frame slower recovery. While they only drop Sagats health by 50hp reduce his uppercut very little and give him a stupid new retarded overpowered move Angry Scar. Shouldn't Sagat have less health than Ryu? Like that's how they balanced Seth.
Honestly Sagat is MUCH MUCH STRONGER in this version because everyone else got a lot more nerfed and weaker than he did. Ryu was nerfed way more same with Akuma, Rufus and they didn't get any new moves either. Why are there so many Sagat Dikriders working at Capcom. I don't mind them nerfing and adding new things to Sagat to balance out his nerf but, making everyone much weaker that are lower tiers makes no sense whatsoever.
#34 - If by staged you mean done in training then yes, But these are not difficult, situational combos that you'll only see on rare combo videos. Half this stuff is cancels and you'll see it in every match against Sagat.
#42 - you play shi)t Sagats.
Every time I get optimistic about this game more info comes out that just takes a dump on my hopes. There's no way characters like Guile, Gen or Sakura can compete with this. Gief vs. gat might officially be 8-2. Capcom, please let my grandma test your games before you release, your staff is garbage.
Like if you're going to nerf characters atleast nerf them all equally. Now it's even harder for Ryu to win because he received an even bigger nerf than Sagat.
begginers won't need to mash dp anymore they can spam angry scar and thanks to it's invincible frames they can counter ultra.
"begginers won't need to mash dp anymore they can spam angry scar and thanks to it's invincible frames they can counter ultra."
Trust me, i'm as upset about this as you are. I do NOT like Sagat's broken ass getting ANY buffs. But Angry Scar can't be done consecutively, you have to Tiger Uppercut 1 time after each Angry Scar before you can Angry Scar again.
Let's not overreact quite yet, guys. Seth said not to jump to conclusions until we actually play the game. For all we know, these combos might not be very practical in real-life games. If Sagat is indeed broken, then they might even patch things anyway.
"Good job capcom for balancing the game. Whoever cry about Sagat in SSF4 should be the stupid nub Americans only."
LOL I like how suddenly a player is bad because he or she is American, or has a LEGITIMATE complaint.
I have never been stupid enough to eat a standing HK from that close. If you do, you deserve to get combo'ed...
10 to 1 odds that roundhouse, burniing scar, Ultra is a trial combo.
Plus think about the reaction time you must need to do angry scar in between the s. HK's 2 hits. It is just impractical unless it's done on a dizzied character anyways.
Thank God Super Street Fighter 4 has a less powerful version of Sagat, I had such a hard time fighting against him in vanilla. What's that? You're saying they didn't nerf him at all?
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thats just great, u gotta love that combo into ultra that took half bar. I seriously wouldnt mind if they fixed the other characters but god forbid they do that. I mean bison has always been a high dmg character but he hits like a baby while sagat maintains his fireballs and now hits the hardest in the game, aswome. And who ever said listen to seth and dont jump to conclusions, well. Seth is a fag and is the first one that should be complaining about crap like that.
"Plus think about the reaction time you must need to do angry scar in between the s. HK's 2 hits. "
You just use the Angry Scar whether it hits or not. If it doesn't, you are safe and have a powered up TU. If it does, you get a free combo. Or Ultra if it was a counter-hit...
This is bullsh*t... Nerfed my ass, he is better than ever with that angry scar crap, now its even easier to get a 550 damage combo out of a uppercut, i am really pissed off. Hopefully its not easy at all to do this stuff or all of his other moves better suck ass or he is guna be OP again, capcom needs to stop sucking sagats dick and make him a balanced character. and not so broken, i got enough of that broken character crap in SF4 vanilla.
UGH. So since he got a damage nerf, he gets a new special move that gives him even MOAR ultra setups? Wtf Capcom? Why couldn't you just give him damage nerfs and leave it at that? It's not like any of the other top tiers got new special moves. Why must you insist on doing everything you can to make him op?
"So, then you bitch and you moan: This guy is so freaking cheap! I can't JUMP at this character!"
Shut the HELL up! You're FREE!
The bottom line of it is guys that if you want Capcom to fix Sagat, you all have to play him. Every single one of you that complains about him should play him at every tournament, brag about how broken he is, and tell Capcom thanks for making your wins and their game easy. No way in hell Capcom will just let every tournament be all Sagat.
baby scrub: I'm going to own Sagat with my new boyfriend, Dudley. yay me.
*TIGER SCAR ACTIVATES*
baby scrub: WTF? Cheap. Cheat. Hax. Capcom promised me that I would own Sagat.
Sagat: TIGERRRRR......SATISFACTION!!!!!
First off it's in training mode so don't watch damage too much. Second thing is you need an ex bar to be able to do it. It's great but Sagat players will have to use an ex meter to pull off combos that have vanilla sf4 sagat damage since angry scar powers up the uppercut only. Most characters naturally do less damage now.
SF4 is so catered to scrubs the game has gotten to be so defensive it actually makes Chun vs Chun in 3rd strike look super offensive. Everything about SF4 being more offensive is just all a mirage. First off characters have less health and they do more damage so it feels like games end faster. Not to mention spamming noobs just mashing out DP between block strings is just ridiculous considering the net code issues. Online play is horrible due to most players just mashing out stuff and thinking their good because they have lag on their side and they get lucky with 1 win and they added shortcuts so noobs can actually get out DP without any skill required.
SF4 does nothing but reward defensive play since counter hits are such a big deal and take off so much more damage.
i mean its crazy that he can some of that stuff but skill is what wins matches...yes sf4 is more defensive and caters to beginners with the shortcuts..but its not like Sagat is unbeatable.. you just gotta play smart just like everyone else in the game.
im pretty sure Dudley has some cheap combos we just havent seen them yet.
angry scar takes meter, those combos are mostly unlikely in a real match.
Capcom, are you listening?
It's pretty unanimous - People are NOT happy with Sagat being potentially stronger.
I hope that if he is broken, which none of us know for sure yet, that they can at least balance Sagat further with DLC patches . . .
Now if you really want to break the game give Abel a projectile attack! (joke)
LOl i hope my mind doesnt get poisoned off these scruuby comments. OMG sagat still top tier or capcom dun scrwed up[ again or dam why is it that now I have to work to win lmao. Man these comment are too comical lmao. This only further prove what Ono says. That mid level players like us are the only ones that complain about sagat. Instead of leveling up we complain about a character Lmao. And Am I the only one that think 6-4 7-3 matchup ratios are challenging and fun?
the game is slightly faster so people wont have enough time to recognize jump in's and punish. They did say that he would still dominate people but the fact that he has less health means that you get to kill him that much quicker. Overall we don't know how good every other character is yet so they may have something they can do. It's better how it is now than it was in vanilla.
@87
So true. Thats one of the reason i find myself hating sf4. i could fight the same guy in sf4 and in hdr(i have done this) and we can play the exact same way(him turtleing and me attacking) and its night and day. He sits there and i chop him down in hdr but in sf4 he can mash reversals, mash techs and back dash out of throws and meaties on wake up and dont forgot that the stage is twice the size. But thats the price u pay when u want to make the game more casual friendly. U cant use advanced tactics on lower level players since u actually have to respect the dp mash lol, where as in hdr he either gets smoked or he LEARNS HOW TO PLAY.
as a sagat player,this makes a a guy drool lol.I thought he was getting nerfed but man those combos with angry scar look sexy.not to mention you can now cancel a standing hardkick into a TU!!!overall dmg was nerfed but weve been given far more possibilities than b4..and btw they kept the ONE thing I wanted,fwd-rndhouse juggle into ultra..funny how they meant to NERF sagat yet they gave him a brand new move and a 2nd easyily linkable ultra..thx capcom :)
It seems odd that Angry Scar freezes the screen but Hakan's oil up move doesn't.
@wg
U dont get it do u. If i have to stop regardless if u whiffed a dp or not I STOPED. I lost the momentum and loosened up on the pressure which gives the other guy exactly what he wanted anyway which was to slow down my advance. And now if he isnt an idiot and stoped after the first whiff he has the oppurtunity to counter hit me which can lead HIM into a combo. And lets not forget that good players mash dps and as soon as they whiff the first one they will stop doin it or they will mash when they feel its right. Its not like in other games where u can play the odds and challenge his execution and go for the meatie or good for the tick throw(when dont u see them goin for meaties in hdr), now it doesnt matter since any idiot can mash the stick along the corners and get a dp and IF he has bar now he can do it safely AND get an oppurtunity to land his ultra. It affects the game more then any of u people would like to admit it but then again most people use ryu and i doubt any of them would want to lose there get out of jail free card.
This only confirms console SSF4 is only for laughs, Ono and his team were never serious about the overall result. Everybody keep their $19.99 ready for the serious fixed version update next year.
Angry Scar looks good. Better that spending ex on the Super.
To all the people complaining about this video, or saying that sagat still is overpowered, etc.
I been playing and testing SSFIV, I'm a sagat player since SFIV was relased I know everything about Sagat.
Capcom did ok with Sagat nerfs, believe me, basicly they gave sagat less stamina, they took off the comeback potential the bnb dmg, and basicly all moves nerf, u will see tiger knee dmg now is ridiculous, also u cant spam tiger knee strings like before...
Angry Scar and those videos are really cool, good Sagat user accept that, but keep in mind that all standard Sagat users that dont even know how to play him property, that based his game on comeback potential, bnb, and knee strings with no sense, all this kind of people will miserably fail with Sagat in SSFIV.
There is only few Sagat users in EU, US that can do kara uppers in reaction, punish 3/4 fb with hp kara upper.
So not every 1 will handle cancelling hk into scar, I remember to every1 that scar is performed with 2x QCB + any punch, good luck to all sagat users mastering scar stuff.
Regarding hk+scar+ultra hk must be on counter hit, and must be canceled on the first frame, GL with that ;)
wow...well...umm...first off its not cool to insult S Kill. it just makes you look like a cryin fool. second...yes it does seem that his new move can make him much more deadly than b4. it looks like that you need a super bar to pull it off. cancelin requires 2 bars. we still dont know the command move for angry scar so lets be rational ppl. for all we know it wont be that easy. we still have to wait till the game drops then we can judge. also keep in mind that it was a trainin stage. if it does show sagat'll remain OP...well that means we gotta practice & roll with the punches. lets show the sagat players he aint all that lol. lets just wait & see. peace :)
damn...nothing short of a great new move for the muay thai emperor! Sagat just got more interesting to play with and against! I might just give him a shot in this game.
@116
With Akuma's loop taken out, this would be a great opportunity to pick up Sagat.
everyone got something new except the other top tier's i.e. rog rufus RYU!!!!!!!!!! etc.. now Sagat looks amazing with his zoning game and wat i saw he's become "G"od tier instead of"g"od tier stupid capcom the only character s who needed nerfs was the cheap ones i.e blanka dhalsim gief stupid stupid stupid capcom
i was amazed to see the amount of damage that scar uppercut did....gotta admit that it does look really cool...his first ultra still seems to do a lot of damage but then again we don't know how long ago this vid was made or if it's even the final build.....still regardless of how powerful he is, u have to be good with the character for it to make a difference...sagat has always been a strong character regardless of his damage output like akuma b/c of how dominant their special moves work....so i can honestly say that he was always meant to be strong...but i will say this will be frustrating to deal with since i play with vega....two bars for his mask eh....i'm still baffled by that...
All this whining reminds me when SF4 came out. I was just playing some dude going through every character beating him. Just after I beat him with Vega I went to Sagat because he was the only character I hadn't played yet. He started complaining and just had stare at him and told him dude I just beat you with Vega I don't think it really matters.
Anyway, scrubs keep whining, no one cares.
Just read what 108 (RickyTTT) wrote.
It should answer everything you want to know.
+I remind you that Sagat as always been a powerfull fighter, he is one of the boss of the game.
+He will be very good when played well by skilled players.
+What did you expect ? Him to be lower in the tierlist than Dan ?
Common, get over it. The nerfs are, at least for Sagat, well done.
It will avoid scrubs to win on a mashed TU and will permit great players to keep being good.
1) Sagat lost damage and overall received the biggest damage nerf.
2) The AS ultra set-up only works on COUNTER HIT.
3)Sagat lost his ability to cancel into specials off far stand light kick. This is a huge loss for his footsie game and he didn't get anything to really replace that loss.
4)AS (Angry Scar) is really just a buff for advanced/high level Sagats. Low level Sagats will not master this. The motion for Angry Scar is quarter circle back TWICE and two punches. You really think the average Sagat will pull that off MID COMBO? Be serious. The scrubs will drop Sagat.
5)Sagat lost damage on Tiger Uppercut and Tiger Knee.
Conclusion: Scrubs will drop Sagat and you will see less weak Sagats getting wins. High level Sagats will be rewarded for their knowledge of his mechanics. THE WAY IT SHOULD BE!!!
@ RickyTTT #108
Thanks for clearing that up. I feel alot better now.
Come on guys, this stuff is not for scrubs, they can only spam uppercuts all day long.
The good Sagat player received that in exchange of losing damage and stamina, but the scrub Sagat will never be able to do those combos.
Abel can do c. fierce to ultra without wasting meter and no one says he's broken.
Sagat is more technichal now, and I think it's great that way.
I may be wrong btw.
@RickyTTT 108 as the game evolves and people become more familiar with his new combos he's going to be much stronger than his original version maybe not at first since everyone is getting more familiar with him. I have also tested him out for about 2 hours and noticed that it's EASY as hell to tell when you have a counter hit with Angry Scar. The screen freezes turns black and gives you tons of time too even see the counter hit letters on screen be4 you're able to make you're next move. I felt he was still at the same strength when playing him as he can reduce a lot of pressure game with Angry Scar. If he's just as strong when I played him doesn't that mean he's actually stronger because as the game evolves people will do his new tricks more naturally.
I never said it had Evasion Properties but, if your opponent gets in medium range you can use Angry Scar to freeze time to see if they are going to jump or whatever giving plenty of time to decide to dash back throw a Tiger Shot or DP if they are frozen in air. It's the cheapest move on wake up cross-overs as you can use it crouch to reduce your hit box and then put the Tiger uppercut input the other way so you don't always to to worry about auto correct DP. Giving him more time to think about his next move is kind of cheap and he builds meter like a mother fcuker.
Iyo won yes but is Dhalsim not extremely good against Sagat. The point is if you have players at equal levels Sagat is going to win majority of the time and don't compare yourself to IYO. Some characters have virtually no chance vs Sagat. When you're chipping away at your opponent and then all of a sudden you get caught by 1 DP and the game turns considerably into Sagat's favour is kind of broken.
WG you made your point. Ppl like Gutter_Trash, RickyTTT, just do like u do with ur girl and tell them they are right and move on. Once there mind is made up they do no hear anything you're saying. People just over use the word broken. When a char is broken you will know it (ex. Gil-SF3, Akuma-ssft2). They prob. don't even know the difference between zoning with fireballs from spaming fireballs, then complain that's all he is doing to get his win against them.
When i lose to ppl online i know that, that person was better than me, unless there was same other factors like lag, or your kids acting up, can't get mad over something like that. Point is SKILL is greater than characters. And when ppl of the same skill play each other the better player wins not the better chars. like others may think.
Hell out of the Major tourneys in the U.S. Sanford Kelly may be the only Sagat the win tourneys and outside of Alex Valle how many Ryu's win Major tourneys.
@WG #136
Please dont say that sagat isn't broken. That makes you look like an idiot. While I do agree that training more is a better option compared to whining about it. N' the kara uppercut on reaction, kara fireball is easy as fu(k and I don't even play as sagat. (I use the ps3 controller not the stick BTW) His only downside is that his walking speed is very slow and has a bigger than average hitbox. Thats about it really...
lol., use Sagat's big ass vs a vortex char and then say his only weakness is walkspeed. Dude gets hit by everyone wake-up mix-up known to man.
@GrimmjawJin
lol How does WG given his opinion that Sagat is not broken makes him and idiot? Since Jwong and Diago have been asked the question is sagat broken they both have gone on record saying "No." I guess they are idiots as well. Lol you can kara fireball, grats -_-, that sure do make Sagat broken, Hell i can dash forward ultra with guile, hop ultra with blanka and i don't even use them (and on a 360 pad at that, but use stick as well). So what ur point.
What are you judging Sagat is broken by? I really am trying to find out how do YOU think sagat is broken (Top tier, yes Broken , no). Its because you don't really use him and you are beating ur friends, and random ppl online? Are you winning tournaments with Sagat a PS3 controller with a character u don't even use. Are you losing to random Sagats online who u think you are better than. Please tell me i really want to know why YOU think he is broken, is it any of the reasons i mention above.
@143
First of all I never said he was an idiot because of his opinion. If he thinks he is not broken then good for him. Second, daigo and wong are very high level players so it may not be much of a problem to them as the normal/casual players out there. As for tournaments, they aren't held where I live and I don't want to drive for 7 hours just to attend one. So pretty much online play is as close as I'm going to get playing against others. What I was trying to say is that he is very easy to use hence the mention of kara stuff. Most of the players I meet online depend on sagat's character abilities more than their own and sadly thats all that they need. This only proves my point of defeating others using a character I hardly know of.
@GrimmjawJin
"Please dont say that sagat isn't broken. That makes you look like an idiot"-GrimmjawJin.
Sorry u didn't say he is an idiot, but only look like and idiot. The only point you are showing me is that you are better than ur competion. I B.S. around with Dan online and win majority of my matches, i don't even use him. How about u give yourself some credit. You are better than them, you prolly could've picked Ken with the same ppl u played against and and probably would have won. Ken is a easy character to use, but being easy to use does not equal being Broken my friend. Learn the differences between easy and broken and Top tier and broken. Hell even u said the Jwong and Daigo are very high players and its not much problem for them, That alone should ring a bell in your head that Sagat is not broken.
ughh that's kind of lame that he can go right into ultra.
It's still looks like amazing though.
In the final build he builds ultra & super meter from whiffed normals.
;)
rofl, this is hilarious. god, sagat is sooo geigh.
I hope that isn't the 11th or 12th color--it's not very interesting... or maybe it's just that the image quality of the video is crap. But it's basically like in old SF games where if you choose the same color as you opponent, one of you turns out more pale/white and whatnot. I just hope that means everyone can choose the same color, as opposed to it being a color in its own right.
It terms of angry scare, I don't know if it'll make Sagat relatively more broken/OP than he is currently in vanilla, in any case, it should be good as a hit confirm tool.
angry scare shouldnt freeze time. Hakans old doesnt freeze time and niether is it an evasive move so what justifies sagats geting both of those special properties on top of his dmg increase. Hopefully theres more to hakans oil shower or maybe its just capcom up to the same old bs again giving "certain" characters special treatment.
I think that you all should stop complaining. Top player in the world? Plays Ryu. Top in America? Rufus. Top in Korea? Another Ryu. Sagat being broken apparently wasn't a problem in vanilla, so why is it now? I mean you are complaining about a game that hasn't even come out yet. Sure, Sagat is very strong and has some ridiculous combos, but so does about half of the 10 new chars. Ibuki Dudley and Cody are going to be much more of a threat than Sagat.
No-one here complaining has even seen the new Sagat tested widely in tournaments or even knows what his matchups will be like on the tier-list against the rest of the altered cast in SSF4. God forbid, the game hasn't dropped yet. So, from what source of testing are you pulling this "Even stronger Sagat" idea from?
@WG don't even compare yourself to the likes of those players. We are talking about the majority of players who are on an average level not God level.
I'm an average player and I don't use Sagat but, I bet I could beat WG and BookerJJ majority of the time with Sagat. Since they think they are so good I will post the matches online just so you can see how overpowered he is. Don't compare yourself to Daigo or Justin Wong that makes no sense you two guys are nowhere near their level. We are talking about the Majority of players on a certain skill level.
@Gutter_Trash
You seem do not know how to read, nobody in any of their post said they where good or even compared themselves to Daigo or Jwong, you must have selective reading or something. But anywho, you can post any match you want beating me, lol you probably can pick Dan and run double perfects on me, what are you proving Dan is broken. You need to give yourself credit dude, how about you are better than me, not Sagat.
I'm trying to get your point you say Sagat is broken and i will quote you "We are talking about the Majority of players on a certain skill level" - So are you trying to say Sagat is only Broken to players that are not high caliber as Daigo and Jwong, so he is only broken at certain levels of play and skill. That doesn't even make sense. Sagar is Top tier and easy to use, yes i can agree and not denying that, but broken he is not, chars like Gil (SF3) and Akuma (ssf2t) those are broken char. and are BANNED for that reason. Broken chars. are Broken on ALL levels of play not just the majority of player on a 'certain' skill level.
@Booker
In SF4
Sagat has high Damage Output and Stam
his attacks have nice links and are very combo enabled,it's hard to get in on him with him being able to Kara fireball. It's easier to learn to kara fireball then to learn more so then the new characters. I'm a Sean/Urien/Ibuki 3rd strike low level player, back when sf2 Champion was new in the arcade I choose blanka but didn't know how to blanka ball(I was like 7 and didn't care it was better then watching laundry). Trying to get into SF4 with Abel against a character like Sagat(whho's got fireballs and an uppercut) it seems unfair and Sagat seems overpowered, however I don't care it's fun when they try stupid fire ball spam just to get a Souless punch
As a sagat player im a little pissed at this, it just dosen't seem fair to other characters that they nerfed a few major things but gave us(sagat players)a super amazing tool that pretty much makes up for his losses or is even better than what he lost. I already get crap for maining sagat anyway and i was happy that they were going to nerf him so the complaints would decrease in number but now its gonna be worse cause people will feel im being cheap if i use this new tool,which is obviously going to be used very often by sagat players. hopefully this is a beta or something and its not as good in the final version.
Yes skill lvl matters...but also does tiers...if 2 players have the same skill lvl...the character can give that player the edge...for example..if a high lvl ken plays a high lvl sagat..who u think is gonna win most of the time??...ken would have to play harder against a sagat....btw...sagat has great offense, defense, best roundhouse, a broken medium punch (in air)...fierce overheard, fastest projectiles...kara tu...kara tk...nd kara ts....(Really)....trade roundhouse ultra...wah otha character can do all that???...Ill wait
Point is skill lvl does count..but so does tiers...
@Ex_Ein
You're right Sagat is over power imo, but very beatable. An since you played the original SSF2T then you know how much stronger old Sagat was in that game, literally 3 DP's can KO Chung li, not exaggerating. But even then he wasn't broken, Chars hav bad match-ups that's a fact and pretty much will never change in any fighting game. NO fighting game has had a 5-5 match-up across the bored for every char. in the Street fighting history this is the most balance game according to tiers. HDR is only better if u take out Akuma, but u can't when judging the whole game that is a broken character. I mean you're right SOME able's have a tough time against Sagat, but Able worst match-up is Gief. No one is denying that Sagat is strong, but Broken he is not.
That move looks totally awesome and people should stop whining and bitching over this because they have yet to really get hands on with the game. The guy who made the vid has already confirmed that this won't make Sagat OP. It has
NO evasive properties and he can only st.hk < ultra on a counter hit. It also takes up a gauge segment which makes it more like an EX move and limits how often you can use it.
So take your panties outta your ass and take a deep breathe people. Have a little faith and patience, he won't be anywhere near as strong as he was in regular sf4. It will take more time, effort, and skill to win with him now and he definitely won't be OP. People who main this bastard will have to work MUCH more harder this time around. It's been confirmed that there is no reason for crying, throwing tantrums and making lame excuses for why you suck and can't beat him.
Are you gonna bitch and whine or are you gonna wait to play the game?
@163, in the words of the Nostalgia Critic: "STOP USING ELLIPSES!"
Anyway, about Sagat and his new Angry Scar move. Um, ever think about blocking? I mean who's going to just walk up to eat a s.Hk from Sagat? And besides that, Sagat can only use the Angry Scar if he uses an EX. Think about it, he needs 2 EXs for FADCing, EX for Uppercut to gain some start up invincibility and Tiger Shots to get two hits for FB wars. Sagat obliviously has some new tricks, but it looks like he's going to need a lot of meter management. Just make him waste meter and he won't be that bad so hold pitch forks and torches.
@jok3rfrmbk
Tiers is only a measuring stick of a collection high level players in form of a avg. Some ppl from what they measure could have 6-4 in favor Of Akuma against Sagat some would have vice versa, in which you would get your avg 5-5. which is formed on a tier list. just a avg, of high level players.
The reason Tiers really doesn't matter is because look at the condition of the tier list. From Eventhubs - "how many games out of 10 if two high-level players of equal skill played against each other using the characters shown." lol how often does that happen virtually never. Even in Japan they are not the same skill. Do u think Mago and Daigo are equally skilled, they are both high level but not EQUAL in Skill.
Hell, by the Tier List own defintion 99% of the ppl in this website don't even factor into the tier list including me and probably u was well. Hoenstly i play Shoto's so much i find it easier to beat them than when i run into and Gen or Fei Long, because i learned those match ups.
@bookerjj
Trade-roundhouse-ultra. what other character can get away with that?
I'm not trying to be a &*^hole or anything. But realistically who has better tools than sagat? I understand what your saying about matchups. But one screw up on a good sagat player, that is a good chunk of health. Regardless of matchups that mistake will be more costly against a sagat than it would be against a ken. Therefore making sagat a better character. Learning the matchup can only take you so far. You need to work very hard against a skilled sagat. People don't complain about sagat for no reason. He is clearly the best character in the game.
@gl600fb You're fcuking garbage did you not lose 10-0 and you're telling me I don't even know why he is broken. Shows what you know scrub. You keep practicing those taunts maybe you'll actually win a game LOSER.
Dude your stating the obvious, if you've read my most, you would clearly see how many times I've said he is good, strong powerfull and whatnot. People seem to think that i'm saying he is midtier or avg. character, i've never said or hinted at anything of that nature. I just saying he is not a Broken char.
I responded to ur post about tiers which - IMO doesn't mean anything, because of the definition of our so called tier list. Its just a measuring tool, an reference point. not a deciding factor for anything. People just misused this tool as a crutch for their short comings, people are so quick to discredit a person win for using Sagat rather than giving a man credit for his own skill.
The fuking retards constantly commenting bullsh1t is annoying as sh1t , why are you guys shouting "block" all the time of course your going to get hit at some point in time by your opponent so of course sagat will have a chance to combo with angry scar.........
Sagat is broken and looks like he is still broken,saying sTUFF like daigo and whoever said he is not broken sounds like a lie but at the end of the day it means nothing,ryu has a whole load of tools to win including many ways to land full ultra and having the best focus attack in the game that's why daigo can massacre sagat ,rufus has many tools to use including having the second highest amount of health in the game and a hundred ways to combo into full ultra ,the top six characters have a winning chance against sagat because they have so many viable tools to use including different ways to land full ultra excluding AKUMA who has infinite.
They are whiners and then they are those who speak out against "unfair circumstances/treatment " but on the other side they are people who like to be whiny saying your a whiner EX.WG ,BOKER JJ ETC.
SAGAT CAN CANCEL STANDING ROUNDHOUSE WITH ' ANGRY SCAR" INTO ULTRA. HE CAN CANCEL-OUT LIGHT KICK WITH OUT TOUCHING WITH ANGRY SCAR SO CAN HE CANCEL ALL NORMALS WITH ANGRY SCAR ON HIT ,ON BLOCK ,WITHOUT TOUCHING OPPONENT?.
@126 You baboon dhalsim is the only character with a 5 to 5 ratio on the tier list with sagat you stupid idiot, jesus where do you idiots come from? Dhalsim in the hands of a noob whose watched some Dhalsim YT vids, could half the life of a pro with his cheap style. Anywho play me stupid i'll show you scrub Cuffg, capcom plz change ryu back because if Sagat is top tier still why now is it that Ryu doesn't look second? He shouldn't be lower in the tier than any characters that were beneath him in vanilla. That's logic capcom i know you're not bad people, you're just complete money hungry idiots. Nobody can blame you for your greed, but your stupidity is beyond belief especially Ono, when i watched an interview with him i thought, this guys an idiot a complete puppet.
@ 162 You are a, look i love you, not literally ofcourse lol. You speak nothing, but the truth I know capcom favor certain characters, who knows why maybe they were inadequate, and couldn't beat certain characters online, and it made them cry? Or maybe they're just inadequate at this game so they get into a emotional tizzy, and do impromptu things. Irregardless (emotional tizzy) lol was, regardless! they're truly having sex with a guy who looks like Sagat, and he is the overlord. Oh, well now i know why Ono, seth, etc. all stand, and sit funny. Srry daigo you just weren't sexy enough to have sex with so they shafted your fav, and mine character. You go fagcom you guys rock!!!! (sooooooooo joking you suk).
Sagat has gotten shafted in the past in nerfs. I swear this is the first competitive fighter you guys have played or some nonsense.
AS doesn't replace what he lost in any way, shape or form. This buffs comboability and damage potential. His main nerf is that loss of cancel on far stand short. This hurts his close range footsies, zoning, and pressure. This buff doesn't do anything to amend that. They made him into a slightly different character with this buff and that nerf. It doesn't make him better then he was though. That's garbage and why whine about this? 99% of you will never fight a Sagat that is capable of doing this. You think SG sagats will pull this off on PSN?! LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Get real.
@ EMBLEMLORD The people who whine and complain will never get it. They jus need an excuse to lose to sagat. AND from the what I seen and played from past sagat reincarnations this sagat is baby but yet people says he broken hahaha scrub talk just lvl up lmao
Wow that's a bit surprising coming out of your mouth Frankie3nig. I don't know if you were just a sore loser back in the day or was just immature but, you had the nerf to call me cheap and said I had no skill and all I do was mash out DP and TigerShots and abuse lag when I beat you with Sagat. I remember playing your Viper and I random Ultra'd and you taunted me only to eat a uppercut afterwards when I landed. I'm not trying to hate or anything but that's a bit funny coming from you when my Sagat beat your Viper.
people talk about previous sagats being worst, which ones? Turbo he was good but he wasnt like akuma broken(dont compare orig sagat in turbo cause honestly he isnt even part of the real cast, and even still u dont see him dominating), alpha sagat was ok but alot worst then turbo/hdr, csv2 sagat was pretty solid also but u didnt see him dominate there either. So where was he stronger? And not to mention in all those games there was no such thing as mashing the corners of ur stick and geting fire reversals(never mind the big reversal window)and also u couldnt kara anything and fly across the screen simply over comming his size and speed limitations. And dont forget that with older verisons of sagat his tiger shoots where one of the best projectiles but when he shot them his arms would fully extend giving u a REALLY big target to hit, but now it stretchs out about as far as ryus fireballs.
So please find me another verison of sagat that worst then sf4, because now that i think about it i dont ever remember him just killing most of the cast for free in any other game.
^agreed sagat is worst in this than in any other game so far I don't get it sagat is already solid even with with the nerf's so why did they give him a Fadc for only 1/4 that's just wrong but it still won't stop me from beating all the sagat's online he just spam's tiger shot and tiger uppercut's all day anyways's lol so faggit is a appropriate name for him anyway's lol
@ LittleMDR that taunt was a misinput lmao really didnt mean that plus it was only one match you beat me we can go again if you want
also i dont send hate mail so u got da wrong viper player who said u was cheap if i lose its always gg or i ask to play a set if i have matchup problems with the character but yea anyways play me anytime you want could use sagat matchup practice anyway :)
lol at all the ppl complaining about angry scar. sagat is powerful yes but they toned hs dmg output so he cant pull bs dp mash into fadc ultra and take over 50 percent life anymore. angry scar looks like a nice addition to good sagat players. i welcome it. frankie sending hate mail? i think u got the wrong guy littleMDR cuz frankie isn't like that. i should know i have him on my list.
Is that the costume we get for owning the original Street Fighter 4?
Also, I did not suspect Angry Scar to function like THAT...