P* attended WonderCon 2010 where the final version of Super Street Fighter 4 was available to play. Apparently, he talked Seth Killian's ear off asking questions and getting some good hands on time with the game.• Anime release is still unclear, for some reason it might not even see the light outside of Japan.
• Intro/endings are weaksauce. Capcom ended up having to scrap the idea of fully animated stuff due to unforseen budget problems. Meaning it cost more than anticipated.
• No word on PS3 saves being copy locked...
• Apparently, you CAN choose the music you want but you have to first unlock that ability, how exactly was not explained.
• The wall issue, the one were on one side you can cross them up and the other side it won't will not get fixed. Seth explained that issue was too closely related to the game's engine so fixing it may be a nightmare to do and they don't want to tamper with it.
• Seth and the devs know about the newly discovered unblockables. How and why is still unknown and they're still trying to figure out the case on why it happens.
• As of now, unblockables are not removed and will not be patched unless they discover some truly unblockable setups, seeing as there is an explanation on how to actually block these.
• I asked why counter Ultras, but he pretty much dodged that question and knows people are upset about it. I asked if they could change it and if they still had time to go back in and change it. Not going to change it and wouldn't have enough time to change it just like the unblockable Ultra situation. I asked why is it armor breakable and not like Hakkan's Ultra, pretty much dodged that one too. Basically, he said the best way to utilize it will be as an anti air Ultra since not everyone will be able to beat it with an armor break move.
• Vega Ultra I... so I tested it out, and for some reason he didn't launch on the way up, it was basically the same thing. I'm not sure if I had to actually hold the direction towards the opponent to do it but that's the way it ended. It just wouldn't go and launch towards the opponent, which was pretty frustrating.
• Dudley... definitely the new Ryu/Sagat. I saw a few flowcharts doing the same crap and Sweep into Ultra is insanely easy to do, it's retarded.
• Ryu, who ever was the idiot that said he can't Standing Hard Punch into Shoryuken is stupid. Works all the same and I even asked Seth about it, which he said is indeed still in there. Seth also said trade into Ultra can only be done in extreme circumstances which was in the corner and other variables. Also in some cases you can't trade into Super either, which in my opinion is dumb as hell.
• M. Bison, not 100% sure but I think his EX-Scissor Kick seems to have gotten nerfed. I used to be able to go through fireballs easy with it but now it seems to have less range and less invincibility frames. Pretty effing stupid if it's true, though I'm not totally sure that it's true since I didn't have enough time to check it out. Also, whoever said you could control the EX-Head Stomp, either I was doing it wrong or it's just not true because I could not move him and it tracked the opponent all the same.
General stuff
• Shoryuken (Dragon Punch) nerfs. It got nerfed pretty bad across the board. It trades a whole lot more and is basically on Guile level.
• [The game is] not faster. I noticed no change in the game speed at all.
• Matches last longer. Due to all the damage nerfs, it felt like matches lasted longer than it used to.
• Overall impression. It's basically the same thing. I'm not all too happy about it but if you liked SFIV you'll be fine with SSFIV. If you were frustrated with it, I don't think it'll make you happy.
• Random note. It was fun, and the Capcom booth was packed. My idiot self forgot to bring my camera...
• Oh yeah, and you know what Seth said when one of the volunteers decided to pick Guile and then his Sonic Hurricane Ultra II? "Oh nice, you picked Guile and his Sonic Hurricane, good luck because that Ultra sucks."
I think he could have been playing mind games with the guy that picked Guile.
this can't be true...can it???
well get ready for the 2-d of street fighter 5 just add blazblue graphics and where good to go
Lol just lol capcom failed lol in the essentials of ssf4 lol
Bah, Capcom have done so many things well with this update that I can let them have a few stupid decisions...
I love Guile, he's been my favorite character since the original Street Fighter 2. But man, it's kinda depressing when everything that comes up about him isn't overly positive. All I've read that's supposedly been improved is the hitboxes and priority of his normals, but I dunno. I was hoping his new ultra would kinda be a game changer for him, but things aren't looking great.
Oh well, I'll still be playing him as my main.
@dsledge
hopefully with improved normals he can be somewhat competitive. After playing turbo u kinda forget how good guile used to be(funny thing is he is still better in hyper fighting). THeres really no reason for capcom to leave guile half finished the way they did. A few adjustments and hes fine.
But that dudley comment is funny and sad at the same time. I really dont want to fight a dudley army in the next game.
I Hope it not all Dudley either because from wat i seen he look like he god tier
In my opinion, Sonic Hurricane doesn't suck. I was happy that he got that as his second Ultra. Reminds me of Guile from Alpha 3.
I gotta say, I'm pretty dissapointed with the changes I see here. the game didn't change at all, and matches take longer. also, what's with the dp nerfs? I thought DPs were supposed to be the ultimate anti air. some of the game balaacning is out of whack.
also, total mess not improving weak characters like guile and fei long. I mean, that's lame. if they needed more time for balancing, though should have taken an exrta month or two, instead of simply nerfing anyting that was GOOD.
also, great finishing comment by seth, haha.
Im not really gonna say anything until I get my hands on SSFIV. I don't know if what he said was true but I wonder if he knows M.bison's ex scissor kick is only invincible just when he is getting off the ground. A more useful report would be on the psycho crusher cross/wake-ability.
WTF?!?!?! So is the game good or bad?? better or worst?!?!?!
I don't believe any of this crap, until I play the game. Then I have to say if the game is good or bad (for me).
@18
You're right, a motion move that you can cram out in less than half a second should be the ultimate anti air. Never mind that you actually have to charge a Flash Kick and then have it whiff to a guy who used a light punch in the air. Anticipating your opponents actions is extremely n00b-like. It's frustrating when you look at SF2 and see how awesome Flash Kick was, and if people jumped at a crouching Guile they deserved to eat the Flask Kick. Now it's "Oh hai, Imma jump at this crouching Guile and have 1 of his 2 special moves trade with my jumping fierce. Oh that's cool, I did more damage to him then he did to me."
Also GG Seth Killian. I wonder, with your level of hype creation and then creating weird "balanced gameplay", you must have worked at Blizzard in the World of Warcraft department, right?
From the same post as this information:
"Here are his thoughts. Note: This was a busy venue and lots of things were happening all at once, so please understand that some of the information below may not be accurate."
When you play at events like these, there isn't enough time to test or see everything you want, and it can be hard to focus for a variety of external factors.
So... again, taking a lot of this input with a grain of salt. We won't know for sure until the game is out and in our hands.
Everyone is weaker so now the game is supposed to be more offensive?
Don't see the logic.
If the attacks are weaker wouldn't that lead to more turtling?
Plus the unblockable Ultra bug and Shin Dudley.
I'll just get it used on Gamefly and wait for patches...
I welcome all the changes, Guile is my main but I use Bison and Gouken as well and anything that makes the hardcore shoto players change the way they have to look at the game sounds great to me. It's not the end of the world that your dp has been dialed down a bit it just means that you will have to work a tiny bit harder for your wins. And as for the intros/endings as long as the voice acting for them is there i could give a sh#t less if they are fully animated or not.
In the spanish podcast, they said that dudley is not the next sagat they say he is good but not like many people say. And this guy says that dudley is the next sagat!!. What is going on people!?!?
Sweep into Ultra for Dudley?? That has to be the easiest Ultra-setup ever!!!
Sent in the Scrubs! ;)
@37
that was exactly what I thinking there where gonna put for cammy's ultra 2: the Reverse Shaft Breaker. Either this or her killer bee assault from alpha 3/mvc2.
sweep into ultra is pretty easy, but sagat was crazy good because he had an insane fireball zoning game too, which dudley doesn't have.
anyways this guy doesn't seem too mature in his writing and seems to be extremely biased against ssf4, so let's wait...
seth's comment on guile ultra 2 is kind of sad thoguh lol
lmao...wow I can see it now Rufus spamin those dive kicks and Dud just pops that Cross counter...Oh gotta switch up that strategy eh??? also I wonder if Dud's EXducking upper goes thru fireballs from all the way across screen??? man i swear Im gonna stop swearing to GOD...from now Now on I swear to DUDLEY!!!
dammit i missed the panel... had to leave early DAMMMMM YOUUUU
@47
Agreed.
Instead of everyone crapping their pants at every conflicting report that pops up from people that played the game for only a little while, how about we all just take a step back and wait until the game is out to try it out for ourselves, or let the people that know what they're doing figure things out once it is released?
1) Thats stupid if we don't get the anime. Though I'm sure fansubs still start floating around after awhile. But we should get an outside JPN release of it.
2) Fix unblockables they're stupid and op.
3) Those intros/endings suck. Animation plz! not some slide show of still images.
4) Fix the retarded wall bug
5) Counter Ultras need to be fixed and made better. It's bullsh|t that they give Hakan the only useful counter ultra
6)Guile is fine, they gave him sunglasses to put on when fighting now. Any more changes with him would just be unfair and overpowered.
I'm not really sure why, but this article really depressed me. All the info doesn't really affect me. Except of course the counter Ultra info, oh and the Sweep to Ultra info. Hmm. I'm going to hate getting hit by all the Dudley ultras. ahhh, thats why I was suddenly depressed. I just don't understand their thinking in giving cammy and Fei Long counter Ultras. 2 Rush down characters having defensive ultras. and then they nerfed cammy's cannon spike. I could see a slight nerf in damage like everyone else, but no, hers get reduced to 100 all around. Why?! She wasn't broken in any meaning of the word. I can understand Akuma getting a hard to combo 2nd ultra, but the roflcopter? Geez.. Even though I don't play as Guile, he is just getting sh!t on, over and over again. Dan is now better than him. I'm not really sure why they made Dee Jay's combo into Ultra corner only. He is supposed to be the combo guy, yet they screw him like this. And yet, they give Ryu, sagat, viper and others I'm sure a 2nd easy to combo ultra. Ahh, why capcom?! Not saying give Dee jay Win buttons, but he should be able to combo wherever he wants. But his Super is great! Oh yeah? Well, I will never be able to use it because I will need to use EX up kicks to keep the jumpers off of me. Lets give Dudley Ultras that are easy as hell to combo into! Yeah! WOOHOO!
Super Dudley Fighter 4!
=D
Lets get Hype!
Dont take this seriously, only some things are facts (from playing the game for a short time) and the rest is opinion. We dont know everything yet so just wait. Plus this guy does sound like an idiot.
Oh and with the vega ultra... he says "...I'm not sure if I had to actually hold the direction towards the opponent to do it but that's the way it ended..." In SF4 you could control vega to go on which wall for his ultra. He didnt direct which way so thats why vega didnt hit the opponent on the way up.
This post is totally amateur-ville. I can't believe EH posted it.
Well, yes I can. But still, what a dumb article.
I've stopped listening to these sloppy, quick player impressions a long time ago. It seems like each time we see a new web report on the game, something said by someone who tested the game previously is proven to be wrong. We keep getting inacurate information. If the player himself admits that he didn't have enough time test the game accurately then what would we be the point of listening to this?
Also, we've all seen that Dudley can't get the full animation(damage) for his ultra by comboing into it. Only one combo in the corner gives him his full animation, meaning your getting gimped damage. So even though Dudley's setups are easy-mode, it shouldn't equate to what Sagat could do with his ultra in vanilla SF4. Which makes me wonder what all the fuss is about over this.
Usually player impressions are at the very least interesting... but this article simply sounds like complaining.
"Seth and the devs know about the newly discovered unblockables. How and why is still unknown and they're still trying to figure out the case on why it happens."
No way do I believe that Seth Killian publicly stated this would not be fixed. At most, he would have said "no news to offer on that right now" or something.
"Intro/endings are weaksauce."
And this opinion belongs to whom? Am I supposed to believe Seth Killian said they are "weaksauce?" Or am I supposed to believe that the poster got to watch all the endings at the event? I don't believe either one is the truth.
Seems like Capcom hates Guile. I mean he isnt the best in SF4 with his Ultra and now they give him a second Ultra that sucks too? WTF.....
Dudley may have a billion ways into Ultra 2 but some people are foregetting it isn't the full ultra and clearly not full damage. It is like if Ken had a bunch of ways to get the non cinimatc version of his ultra. Also a blocked Jet upper/EX Machine gun blow/Sweep looks to have a great deal of frame disadvantage giving you the free ultra as he recovers. Dudley looks beastly, but if Gouken has proved anything it is that ultra setups do not = automatically good. Also if Akuma has proved anything it is that ultra setups do not = the only thing a character has going for them. Not to mention Dudley vs Hawk or Gief seems like it would be really rough.
In short Dudley will be good but ultra set ups are not everything about a character especially when you only get the short weaker version as a reward for taking a risk (using a frame disadvantage move)
I wouldnt take too much into what this guy said. He seems to have nothing positive about the game and everything negative. Seems like he was expecting a whole new engine and game for 40 bucks. Get the f*** out. This game looks great and no one should take these notes seriously until you yourself have picked up the game and played it through.
@62
LOL WIN
@64
I largely agree but i just want to point out that goukens backthrow setup isn't a reliable setup because of the window of opportunity it has to be teched. Any player at a high level would not be caught by it.
for god sakes spend some time and effort into the game and dont just copy paste sf4 and place in pre designed characters which they probably already had ready.
Just spend some time and put some quality work, animation, fix unblockable (they still are and it changes the way to block..... "back" doesnt work, wtf?), fix the corner problem, did they even fix anything? Just spend a few more months, im willking to pay a bit more for a quality game than this half a-ssed s-hit.
just so disappointed, seth killian is such a tool
Dudley isn't going to be the next Sagat. He's far too hard to play very effectively to be that way. To be a proper Dudley in third strike took a TON of time and effort to learn his chains, juggles and proper timing. If it's the same way you'll have a ton of new players picking Dudley, sucking bad and going back to their old characters when they find out just how hard he is to properly utilize. I've smashed plenty of third strike Dudleys as my Dudley who didn't know what they were doing. And I'm still pretty darn new to the game. Unless they changed him severely, if he's the same difficulty he was in third strike I don't expect a ton of people maining him for a long period of time.
anyone who's saying "I doubt it" or "I don't agree with his opinion" it's called STFU and write your own when you get your hands on it
and the guy who wrote this is called "P*" it says it at the start of the article
he has valid points with all of his opinions since mainly he's actually played the fu*kng game and talk to seth directly(though seth dodged the sH*t out of his questions)
Very laughable if the anime sequences were reduced to stills because of budget considering vanilla SF4 sales, Execs @Capcom still have no love for SF I guess.
Too bad they lied about the anime cutscenes. That was supposed to happen. I think it's a lie about the unforseen budget cuts. They just want to keep more of their money and not give more love to the game. Plus, this guy's impressions are pretty much BS to me. I'll judge the game on my own, not him.
Hopefully with time the community will find a nice setup for Guile's new ultra.
I don't like him, so if they don't I won't really be affected, but it would be nice for all Guile players that were hoping Guile would get a little better at least.
I have said that I would play Dudley even if he were lowest tier, but being like the new Sagat kinda sucks. Lots of scrubs will take it and people will always blame the character when they lose. And most important: If Capcom make any patch changing the game balance, Dudley will have the most nerfs for sure.
I just hope that if they change Dudley with a patch, they just nerf his damage, but keep all his combos.
Ex_Ein is always trolling wow stop sucking peoples cock
Wow that's so wack they are just nerfing Bison left and right wtf
Dudley doesn't do a lot of damage he had a lot of combos u people aren't even realizing it and we all know about damage scaling so don't even worry about all because he can setup ultra easy doesn't make him god like makoto and karakusa to ultra so is she god like
Who is the guy who wrote those updates? Is he intelectually challanged or just didn't spend time to think them through?
Seriously, give us some specifics, not biased/personal opinions. Any averagely educated person knows that...
Also, I love Street Fighter and I love eventhubs as a pleace where I can read news and discuss them with other Street Fighter players. Usually, I'm pleased with quality of news here, but not this one...
Finally, I believe Capcom did some quality work with ssf4, like they did with sf4. I'll buy the game with that conviction...
As the other posters have said I'll wait till I get the game. Too much of the info this guy gives is opinionated. Also the Spanish podcast posted yesterday gives contrasting opinions to the same issues.
Further proof that people have to wait and play a game first rather than coming on here and whining constantly like a bunch of 14 year olds.
This is such a poor article. Besides, the person who wrote hates SFIV, so of course he is going to say the most negative things about SSFIV.
Vega Ultra I... so I tested it out, and for some reason he didn't launch on the way up, it was basically the same thing. I'm not sure if I had to actually hold the direction towards the opponent to do it but that's the way it ended. It just wouldn't go and launch towards the opponent, which was pretty frustrating.
LOL SCRUB!
i still find guile hard to play and im sure he will still be hard, people getting upset over nothing!
Frankly I think the Anime Cut Scenes are fine. I would rather not wait another 6 months for an outsource company to animate Intros and Endings. It's trivial to spend that much time on a single player mode when the main drive is multiplayer. Unblockables are avoidable and difficult to execute not really a Street Fighter epidemic. I hear so much negativity and complaining when the game hasn't even launched yet!
wow seth just doged the counter ultra qeustion. i was looking foward to cammys ultra but its armour brakeing how stupid! seth knows it but cant be botherd to fix it!
i hate guile! but at the same time poor poor guile i feel for the guile players.
so are they keeping the origanal intros/ endings for the origanal st4 cast and just making new ones for new chars! if so im sure they can afford new ones for everyone seeing from the cash they got from sf4 and soon ssf4 then shortley after ssf4t!
I hope the online is stable enough and lag free because that will determine how people abuse characters.
Dragon Punches trading = more scrub jump ins/mashing and a more harder zoning game.
Bison EX scissor nerf sounds bad... really bad. Just limits his options to 0.
Sweep into ultra from Dudley sounds too easy to be true -_-
Longer matches I don't like the sound of.
Can't wait to see how this game plays out online. I doubt much will change lol.
Guile should stop fighting and go become a family man already. Charlie is dead, and if he isn't he doesn't need some pussy like Guile who he taught all his moves to (but Guile still does them crappier i.e 2 handed sonic boom vs 1 handed sonic boom, sonic boom with hands vs sonic boom with feet, 1 hit flash kick vs 2 hit)to save him.
I agree with @100. To be honest I play through single player mode with each character to see each story and get the achievements, and then I'm done. I don't want money and time being poured into something that most people will only see once, when the game mechanics will be experienced for hundreds of hours by every player.
How well the game mechanics turn out, that remains to be seen, but in the meantime we shouldn't be taking every single angry bullet-list as absolute fact. Even if it's true in any capacity, it's in no way indicative of how the metagame develops.
@69 very true I was just thinking of mid tier characters with no meter required ultra setups I probably should have compared it to the other charater who can press down with a fierce attack and get ultra. You know Abel. I also should have mentioned Gen's crouching light kick to ultra.
F*** this guy!!
stupid SF4 haters need to get over it and except the fac that SF4 and SUPER sf4 >>>> SUPER SF1 no one cares about your old ass games anymore so stop hating on the future generation of fighting games aka SUPER SF4!
ther was no buzz like this about sf back then and ppl are jus mad bc sf4 is getting all this HYPE
dont listen to the haters ppl im sure this game will be the greatest fighting game ever even thouh i would of liked more new characters instead of bringing back old ones that no one even cares about! (I REALLY HATE HOW THEY TRY TO MAKE OLDIES HAPPY just give us new carachters already this isnt 1990!)
PS im also worried about GUILE my main after reading this but whatever this guy is probably a n00b and doest even use him
@Psycho: "so you still with your OLD GAME!! bs kid"
what the heck are you talking about i HATE old games. ive hated on the old sf games the only reason i like sf4 is because of the ultras and they finally made the characters look cool, not like that japanese animation style .
im saying that fighting games are ready to step into the spotlight with SUPER SF4 and the ppl that refuse to except it are just hating on it bc its better than super sf turbo so dont listen to the guy who made the comments in the article hes just mad at sf$!
@ 106
"Beasty Guile combo in Super:
j.hk, c.lp, c.lp, c.mp xx Flask Kick > FADC > sun glasses.
Gnawsome."
that is the best combo ive ever heard of im gonna use guile just to use that!
We want more stages and the copy saves for PS3 unlocked for Super Street Fighter IV along with more characters.
Jonny
Huh. I'm not sure that this guy entirely knows what he's talking about.
Um I wouldnt really take this guy seriously. He sounds like a 12 year old scrub.
Forget about cutscenes that you'll see once then never care about again. Money went to improving the online options!
Should stop letting depressing angry teenagers write articles like these.
Okay, seriously Seth has no business saying ANYTHING in SSF4 sucks.
Will the PS3 saves be unlocked for Super Street Fighter IV? Will there be more new stages and more characters?
LOL on the last bullet XD HAHAhaha no one cares about Guile!!! LOL
@111
People aren't angry because SSF4 is getting so much "hype", they're angry because SF4 was undoubtedly a step backwards from 3S. But, I guess you wouldn't understand, considering you sound like an idiot who probably slurps up MW2 and calls it the best game on earth.
I want Capcom to announce Hyper Street Fighter 4 for PlayStation 3!
I don't entirely believe this guy, but I do know for fact that Dudley is going to be top tier...He's my favorite character besides Ken and I don't like using top tier characters (yes I know he was top tier in 3s, but that's different)
I was expecting his transfer to SSF4 to make him weaker and not as good, but I guess I was wrong.
Oh well, Dudley ftw.
damn it Capcom why the hell would you nerf his EX-scissors too. you nerfed most of his normals now this too. ok fine less i could live with that, but at least it should still go through fireballs.
meant to say "less DAMAGE i could live with that."
one more thing. im soo happy because of one thing. SAGAT!!!
lol i can finally use sagat without people crying about how OP he is. Bison is still my main, but sagat is fun to play and now no one will criticize me for using him. thats one positive note eh guys.
Anyone know when the Nagoya Street Battle stream starts?
It's about the only worthwhile show in town. :)
@paradox #124
IF SF4 WAS A STEP BACKWARDS FROM THIRD STRIKE THEN WHY DIDN'T THRID STRIKE SPAWN AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY OF SF PLAYERS??
give it up ppl sf4 and SUper sf4 are the future and dont hate on me because i play mw2 i love FPS and when SUPER comes out i'm gonna start to focus on fighting games and i will prbably love those too its not a competition people we can like different video games
It was to be expected honestly.
You tell your customers that you are not going to nerf any of the existing characters, then turn around and do the exact opposite, expect a backlash.
All because they listened to a tiny minority of nut hugging, jump happy butthurts nobodies that this franchise is now in danger.
Blame yourselves.
guile is my main i dont care about tiers or how weak he is im gonna master him and learn all the moves when super coems out
How about we ignore Super and continue to support the Japanese SF4 arcade scene instead?
Now, where has lordaborigine gone I wonder.
finally someone who calls out the games stupid aspect like it is...
ono said everyone would get more powerful.. instead everyone get nerfed.. even the weak characters...
super nerf fighters
Guy sounds like a total whiner. If I were everyone else, I would wait to test the game myself cuz the dude who wrote this sounds like a negative douchebag who porlly didn't like SFIV to begin with.
I'm still hyped cuz most impressions seem to conflict. This stuff has to be taken with a grain of salt cuz most of these cats have prolly played for less than 'HALF' an hour. I'm still excited and I'm just gonna wait and not listen to fanboys and complaining scrubs.
When the last xbox360 dies of a red ring of death, SFA2, SSF2T, 3S and KoF98 will still be played for a long, long time.
I made the mistake of listening to these people last time, and I ended up getting all bent out of shape on issues that turned out not to be true.
This list makes the game sound kinda shi**y, but the guy sounds like a whiner to begin with, and probably went in with the worst of expectations, and so that's what he came out with.
I'll wait til the game is actually out before I believe this crap, and pass my judgment.
@treasuretroll
Street Fighter 3 didn't spawn a huge community at the time due to the lack of familiar characters.
"guile is my main i dont care about tiers or how weak he is im gonna master him and learn all the moves when super coems out"
If you haven't learned that Guile only has two moves, then it's obvious that you don't play enough Street Fighter to talk smack about Third Strike.
@ treasuretroll
As a current Guile player, allow me to tell you this. One: He technically only has two moves. Won't take you too long to do that. Two: You can have him. I'm dropping him in SSFIV. I guarantee you won't enjoy getting whupped time and again just because your character is inferior to just about the entire cast. You can win with him, but don't expect to do it much right away. You'll get much more satisfaction from just about the entire rest of the cast. Again, I'm saying this as a current Guile player. (I'm also trying to be civil)
i swear capcom is full of idiots. Why would you nerf sagats dragon punch by like 70 or 80 hitpoints? alll of them do 100 damage? its called , light, medium, and heavy for A REASON, so they all do different amount of damage, but nooo they all do the SAME DAMAGE. Ryu's DP is sorta reasonable, and seth ur an idiot insulting one of the game characters that you left WEAK as hell. Disgracing the old school characters. I HATE CAPCOM, ty for giving us character themes but we still have to do alot of crap to hear theme, and ty for the new stages, but when it comes to some characters and their priorities, you CLEARLY paid attention to the Top tiers and didnt do crap for the low ones.
Maybe you'll find out ur mistakes sooner or later.
Peace
Well, there is some real info here, but for the most part it's hating. Don't get me wrong, I know full well SSF4 isn't going to be all it's cracked up to be, but the attitude this guy has... he could tell me Dan is weak and I would question it. Just relax and wait for the actual game, AFAIK it's already finalized so it's not like complaining is going to do anything but give you ulcers, and make you look like a fool if you were wrong.
Oh, and for the record, I don't entirely believe that last bullet point. I don't blindly trust Seth, but he doesn't come off as dumb enough to actually say that even if he does think it. Even so, he allegedly said Sonic Hurricane sucks (which we pretty much already knew), *not* Guile himself. And wasn't there something about Flash Explosion being tweaked to do more damage as an anti-air? Seriously, just chill already.
Dudley will be bustin' heads all day. Real talk.
@WHINERHUBS 3rd strike characters all top tier and requires skill to play as take that ha from Ono himself stick to ken and if you loose go back to ryu.
#150/CL93,
Indeed they will.
Removing invincibility freames on the TU and SRK is inexcusable.
It is basically a green light for the scrubs to jump in for free.
Wait until they get a load of my lag switch. muwaha.
There is one thing I think most of you fail to realize about guile and his "buffs". In my mind, nerfing Guile's biggest problems, (Fagat, Ryu, etc.. etc.. ) is a awesome buff all by itself. Any GOOD guile player ( you know who you are ), can hold their own with most of the cast as long as the other player is of equal skill.
People crying about SAGAT & company getting a nerf are probably crap players who have to actually WORK FOR THEIR WINS NOW. And not have them handed to them on a silver platter...
And yes, I am a Guile player. Am I the best? Absolutely not... Am I good? F-yeah I'm good.
Oh, and one more thing. All of the SKILLED SF4 players, not the scrubs. Will not cry about the changes. They will adapt and overcome...
See you on the battlefield...
There might be couple of reasons why SF3 wasn't succesful. Some lay in the game itself and some go beyond it.
Have any of you played the very first version of SF3 when it came out? If you did you'll probably agree that it was disappointing. And it wasn't because the game sucked, but how it DIDN'T MEET players' expectations. Later versions of SF2 were so polished and ahead of their time that people expected something amazing from the very first version of SF3. And they only got an OK fighter...
What I find a bit weird is that there doesn't appear to have been any interest from the western weaksauce to find out what the Japanese community are thinking and expecting of Super SF4.
Are they completely ignoring it?
If so, that's unprecedented.
Reason being is because I'm interested in what the BEST PLAYERS have got to say about it.
Haven't really seen any gameplay videos of Japan either, which is especially laughable since even Italy has SSF4 youtube content.
cont.
Many players gave up on Street Fighter, but Capcom kept releasing newer and improved versions of SF3. The 3rd and final version actually had some amazing stuff in it. It was still different from old Street Fighters, but had improved graphics and mechanics, well developed characters, and INCREDIBLE depth/mastery to be achived. Personally, I came to highly appreciate 3rd Strike after spending some time with it...
Some who didn't give the game another chance left with disappoitment - because 3rd Strike like earlier SF3s brings some immediate turn offs. Namely, it still contains bunch of weirdoes/robots as characters (that older players can't accept) and it plays/feels way different then any other SF.
This guy who made the bullet notes is a negative nancy. Capcom let alone ANYONE cant do everything right, give capcom a break SF4 was amazing IMO and think most would agree who play it, and i have trust SSF4 will be no less amazing just with more added to it and hopefully even closer balance.
DLC stuff needs to be released for super street fighter iv of characters, stages, balance patches, etc.
cont. (last part, I promise, lol!)
The outside reasons for SF3's lack of success might include overall loss of interest in fighters at the end of 90's and downfall of arcades (at least in USA and Europe) in favor of consoles and pc games. Unfortunately, difficulty to find other people to play at home didn't make fighters' comeback on consoles easy... UNTIL...
Yes, I believe that online play is fighting games' new chance and Street Fighter will prosper as long as Capcom keeps making HIGHEST QUALITY games.
@ OIIIEGA (#158)
THANK YOU! I've been saying this for a while now, so it's refreshing to see another Guile player GET IT. Casual Guile "mainers" will jump ship because their ship was never even floating to begin with. Their loss though, because they'll just be moving to another character they suck as.
As for all Guile players who can ACTUALLY HANG, well, we get better match-ups against Sagat and a pair of David Caruso shades to wear while we run shop.
YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!
that ultra sucks?!?!?! wtf surely its his job to say otherwise?
Guys, this guy just speaks real negatively.. If you pay attention to his last bullets, it says that if you were happy with SF4, you should be happy with SSF4 as well. And that it was fun! I don't know about any of you guys (sarcasm), but I for one loved SF4. Matches last longer, which is a plus to me, and the online features are going to be great. With the 10 great character additions, more stages, remixed music, I'm definitely looking forward to playing this game.
• Apparently, you CAN choose the music you want but you have to first unlock that ability, how exactly was not explained.
You have to put the default icons, you know the grey SFIV icon and the other one, i don't know if you guys understand this but it's hella stupid in my opinion
I don't normally pay attention to this kind of thing but I just HAD to read this one.
This guy just was a whinny bitch throughout the whole article he seems(ed) completely biased against SSF4 seriously.
Here's a lesson to all fans!!
If you want to know about a game, any game, either play the game yourself or find FACTS from someone who is respected and well know throughout the gaming community. Not some random n00b/scrub/both that came out of nowhere. I think for the most part all player will have to do is adapt their strategies for SSF4 and be done with it.
OK GUYS, THIS JUST IN!
Guile can Flask kick > FADC > Sonic Hurricane. The vid is up on yourtube, here is the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5QgYa...
Bahaha, good time to be a Guile player!
P.S. - Eat it shoto users!
@ OIIIEGA (#179)
The reason he had to have the glasses on...
...was to hide the tears of joy.
@ fireballface #183
So true man...
You know it makes me wonder also, about the last comment on this so called "report". Maybe Seth was just screwing around with the guy who chose guile, trying to be funny. In fact I'm pretty sure that is what happened.
@ OIIIEGA (#185)
Interesting point you make. I see it two ways. Either it could be just as you mentioned, in which case it wasn't a serious comment at all, OR it could be that Seth's comment was just taken out of context all together by P*. I'm not too worried about what I hear, only what I see, and right now I'm liking what I'm seeing. haha
Also, with new videos like this coming to light before the game is even out, I wouldn't be surprised if that set-up is on Guile's new trials in SSF4. At the very least, there might be a couple more interesting combos for that Sonic Hurricane.
Seems like they spent more time nerfing the roster than actually balancing the game. We really wont know until we play ourselves, but from people who have played so far its not sounding to promising. Right now we all can say one thing for sure. SSF4 will be better than SF4 only because of more characters and more online modes. Everything else they did is just a disappointment.(I would love to be wrong right now :D)
I hate this guy's writing style. Is he 15? It's the lamest of the lame crack journalism and I doubt that he was taken seriously.
"Player Impressions" are exactly what we don't really need. Just some scrubs tryin' to make a name for themselves with their "interviews".
@ fireballface #186
Yeah bro you're right. Much like everything else in the world, people who "have seen", "know this person", etc.. etc.. It's crap. Once that video posted on youtube of Guile being able to FADC into Sonic Hurricane. It basically just threw all of the garbage comments about Guile out of the window.
The only statements I have even given any consideration too were the ones made CAPCOM EMPLOYEES, videos I have seen WITH MY EYES, and other reputable sources. Not these nobodies spouting off this mumbo jumbo when they don't even know the basic mechanics of the game.
@ DASH #187
I have to disagree with you. It my mind, nerfing the obviously overpowered pieces of the game adds a lot to the balance. e.g., Sagats tiger uppercut, trade > ultra. etc.. etc..
There is a reason why in any REAL SF4 tourney you basically only see Ryu, Sagat, Rufus, Balrog, and MAYBE viper. Tell me how annoying it is when you literally have to work your ass off to break down Sagat to even half life. Then you make ONE TINY mistake, and he takes 60% of your life. Pretty ridiculous if you ask me...
@treasuretroll wow dude take a breather lol. u should know that if there was no SF then there would be no SF2 & so on. get the point junior? maybe you should learn to respect your elders. besides Tekken only adds new characters to their existing rosters. its a mix of new & old. sounds like ur not much of a guile player lol. have fun gettin smashed by superior guile players. all in all...respect histoy. peace :)
SF3 3rd Strike is the obvious better one. still i guess the reason why it may have not garnered a huge following is mabey at the time the arcade scene was dying if not dead. ppl were stayin home with their ps1s', saturns, N64s' & ps2s'. when consoles can duplicate the graphics & playability of a game like...Tekken why leave the house? plus the console editions usually have bonus stuff so in a way ppl get their moneys worth. with online gaming SF's been reborn so to speak. sure its not face to face but it brings back some nostalgia when ur in d arcade winnin a couple times till u get trounced by a better player lol. peace :)
That last bullet...
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