8:17 p.m.
Updated rumor: Street Fighter IV Dash Characters
Update: Earlier in the day another thread sprung up on the Shoryuken.com forums talking about the Street Fighter 4 Dash (Champion Edition) characters and again after getting to a couple of pages in length — it was deleted.
Once could have been an accident, but happening twice in a short period of time seems very suspicious.
Perhaps the original poster was truly on to something.
Regardless, take this rumor with a dose of sale, nothing in here has been confirmed, yet.
Henaki on the Shoryuken.com message boards mentioned he heard through a friend of a friend of a friend that the 10 new characters for Street Fighter IV Dash (Champion Edition) are:
- From Street Fighter 2: Dee Jay and T. Hawk.
- From Street Fighter 3: Dudley, Ibuki and Makoto.
- From Street Fighter Alpha: Adon, Cody and Guy.
- Plus two completely new characters.
Now, pretty much anyone could jump on the forums and claim these characters will be in the game, but Henaki has a solid reputation and a ways after his post was made the thread was deleted. Normally, threads are locked for stuff like this, but the current post was up to 4 or 5 pages before it was zapped.
Regardless, it will be difficult to know the facts until more is confirmed from Capcom or another source, but we know from the official Japanese Street Fighter 4 blog that something is coming soon.
Posted by stubbs on September 17, 2009 at 6:35 p.m. #1
Do any of the mods on SRK even work for Capcom?
If not, they'd have no way of knowing it was fake, so the "deleted because it's true" part doesn't make any sense.
Posted by Struggs on September 17, 2009 at 6:42 p.m. #2
Some members of SRK have ties to Capcom and have known about stuff before it was officially announced before. They leaked the MvC2 re-release a little while before Capcom made it official, but they later on pulled that posting they made.
This guy isn't one of the guys with known ties to Capcom, so the rumor could be complete garbage, but deleting the thread does seem weird.
Posted by Soul Bro Ryu on September 17, 2009 at 6:44 p.m. #3
There's enough mystery here to perpetuate speculation. Maybe we'll get more than TvC announcements from TGS this year...
Posted by SSJ3X on September 17, 2009 at 6:44 p.m. #4
I have to agree with Struggs, a thread deleted on a topic relating to Dash does seem unusual, especially when there are various other "dash" threads that haven't been deleted in the past. But 10 more characters??
I'm liking this, hopefully it comes true, cause I would like to see Makoto especially, in the upgrade.
Posted by Soul Bro Ryu on September 17, 2009 at 6:46 p.m. #5
Plus MrWizard and Seth Killian are friends and since Killian works for Capcom, all it would take is a phone call to have that thread removed if push came to shove.
Posted by i hope on September 17, 2009 at 6:48 p.m. #6
this would kick ass, rebalancing and 10 new characters?!?!!?!
Posted by D-Sledge on September 17, 2009 at 6:50 p.m. #7
Even if this rumor is true, I'm not TOO excited about it. Dudley will be awesome for sure, but pretty much everyone else (I'm slightly interested in Dee Jay) I don't really care about.
The rumor of two brand new characters has me pretty excited. SF4 doesn't have a single character that I would consider my perfect character. I love Guile, but his turtle style isn't my thing, and playing an aggressive Guile seems like a lot more trouble than it's worth.
Posted by MysteriousCharacter on September 17, 2009 at 6:51 p.m. #8
Its true as I've known for a good few months. Interrogating Capcom employees is the way to go.
Posted by LoneWolf on September 17, 2009 at 6:52 p.m. #9
This is all good(Yay for Guy And Dudley!!!) but where the hell is charlie?!?!?
Posted by Yun on September 17, 2009 at 6:54 p.m. #10
Bring Yun to the game :[ he was the best
Posted by stylone on September 17, 2009 at 6:54 p.m. #11
DUDLEY VS. BALROG FTW!
Posted by Phynx on September 17, 2009 at 6:57 p.m. #12
I really hope that they don't mess up the story with characters that don't make sense to have there... nothing about Ibuki (age, motives, ect.) puts her in the SF4 timeline.
Posted by Jerseyfame on September 17, 2009 at 6:58 p.m. #13
Fix Guile and i dont care who you add. Ill be satisfied with my purchase and I will recommend it to all of my constituents.
Fixes:
#1. Fix his dizzy and stamina
#2. Fix his damage output
#3. Repair his flash kick
#4. Make D+F RH a viable move in the heat of actual combat and repair its hitbox
#5. Fix his ultra, make it actually useful and average its damage output instead of making it hit sometime, make it always punish.
Guile is instantly Tier B or better. Where he belongs according to his history in all Capcom Games.
Sonic Hurricane > Flash Explosion.
Posted by HYPED on September 17, 2009 at 7:05 p.m. #14
HOOOLY SHeEEITTT
DUDLEY ...
GUTTER TRASH
Posted by Dudley on September 17, 2009 at 7:06 p.m. #15
Let's Fight...like gentlemen.
Posted by D-Sledge. on September 17, 2009 at 7:10 p.m. #16
As far as the 3S characters, I definitely would have chosen different characters. Like I said before, Dudley is awesome. But my Personal choices would have been (keeping with only 3 characters) Alex, Yun for sure. For the third, either Dudley, or Urien.
Posted by J on September 17, 2009 at 7:14 p.m. #17
None of this is decided yet!
Posted by Jordo on September 17, 2009 at 7:16 p.m. #18
i highly doubt this is true
because it takes a while to design that many characters
Posted by stubbs on September 17, 2009 at 7:18 p.m. #19
@#12
...you care about the story?
Posted by Takayanagi on September 17, 2009 at 7:19 p.m. #20
The link to the SRK site lol have been deleted!! in SRK
Posted by stubbs on September 17, 2009 at 7:20 p.m. #21
It only took ~6 months to add 6 new characters for the home version, and I doubt it took all 6 in the first place.
Dee Jay and T.Hawk were probably already partially finished.
Posted by Machineking1313 on September 17, 2009 at 7:20 p.m. #22
I really wish they would add Hugo...
Posted by 11 on September 17, 2009 at 7:20 p.m. #23
granted only 3 third strike characters are better than none... But Deejay and T-hawk are still taking priority over Ibuki and Hugo..... HUGO!!!! the guy who beat them in the polls
but they rather put 2 10 year olds in SF4....they are about preteens at this time right?....well Ibuki is cool...but i wanted atleast Hugo and Alex.
Posted by Brolli on September 17, 2009 at 7:23 p.m. #24
@ post 18,
Who's to say they stopped developing or designing chars. Most ppl on this site tend to think they are lying anyway, so they could have been still working in those char or balance issuse.
Posted by Douchebag on September 17, 2009 at 7:23 p.m. #25
Hmmm...sounds suspiciously like the overfertile imaginations of some. Just have to wait and see in a week or two.
@Jerseyfame - What is the deal with your Guile obsession? Sure, he is rather poor, but many other characters need to be adjusted as well for balance. Not meaning to be insolent, but almost every post that comes from you is about Guile.
Posted by blahblah on September 17, 2009 at 7:24 p.m. #26
my dream team of dudley, makoto, and cammy... if this is true, imma be so happy..
Posted by SuperV on September 17, 2009 at 7:25 p.m. #27
As long as Dee Jay and T.Hawk are in SFIV dash im happy. I could care less about the other characters, and thats probably because ive never really played third strike or alpha.
Posted by ARJ08 on September 17, 2009 at 7:27 p.m. #28
Man, I loved using Guy from the Alpha games, I really hope he's in there. I'm just worried that if there's 10 more characters that balancing is gonna be even harder to do.
Posted by Soul Bro Ryu on September 17, 2009 at 7:28 p.m. #29
@Jordo: well it's been stated that DeeJay & T. Hawk were close to completion when the home game hit the market. It's been seven months since then and who knows who else was being worked on alongside those to all the way up until now.
If this is even remotely true, there's no way we'll be seeing this game until Q1 of next year. To be honest, I bet Dash will hit arcades in Japan first before the consoles.
All I want is for the rosters to be the same whether on console or arcade. Oh, and Rainbow Mika ^_^
Posted by CHARGERS FAN on September 17, 2009 at 7:37 p.m. #30
Arcade > Dash > Console characters...Highly doubt there will be 10 new characters tho =/
Posted by Trolling4Suckers on September 17, 2009 at 7:39 p.m. #31
Make Guile overpowered as everyone else is not worthy!!! I'll be satisfied with my purchase and I masturbate frequently over the new and improved Guile!!!
Fixes:
#1. Increase his stamina and defense to 1200!!!
#2. Make his strength on par with Sagat!!! Hell, make him stronger than Sagat; I want him to dominate in this game!!!
#3. Repair his flash kick to the point that it is invincible!!! His EX version should be like 8 hits and half health gone!!!
#4. Make D+F RH a viable move and reach halfway across the screen!!!
#5. Fix his ultra, make it an automatic K.O. the instant he makes contact!!!
Guile is instantly Tier S or better!!! Everyone else is crap; they're not hot like Guile!!!
Sonic Hurricane > Flash Explosion!!! I love you, Guile!!!
Posted by @Trolling4Suckers on September 17, 2009 at 7:44 p.m. #32
Hell, yes! He would make the greatest last boss ever!
Posted by Forges on September 17, 2009 at 7:50 p.m. #33
Makoto and Guy would be terrible additions, IMO.
Rolento, Hugo or Elena are far more interesting.
Posted by Dvon on September 17, 2009 at 8:01 p.m. #34
Ok from point of view for the street fighter 2 characters T.Hawks and Dee Jay might be true ( even though they should be in the game a long time ago).
Street Fighter Alpha Characters: Adon would be fine but i dont know about Cody annd Guy. Also i heard they might put Sodom and Rolento.
However For SF 3 Characters Lies i dont believe that because they denied Dudley to be in the game, and both mokoto and ibuki wont be a good choice.
Posted by Nyoronoru on September 17, 2009 at 8:08 p.m. #35
Makoto?
MAKOTO?
LIFE JUST BECAME AWESOME
IT WAS AWESOME BEFORE BUT NOW IT IS EVEN MORE AWESOME
ALSO GUTTER TRASH
Posted by 1 on September 17, 2009 at 8:14 p.m. #36
All of those are good picks except for Adon...
Posted by Jcool813 on September 17, 2009 at 8:21 p.m. #37
lets argue like gentlemen
Awwwright!!!
this has to be the most black ppl in any street fighter game. in any fighting game ever. if this is true.
Posted by Nudosupes on September 17, 2009 at 8:23 p.m. #38
I'd rather have karin than adon, but other than that its all good
Posted by Linneu on September 17, 2009 at 8:24 p.m. #39
oh no, not Makoto! he's just a weak little boy.. :S
Posted by 1 on September 17, 2009 at 8:26 p.m. #40
@ #37
Just needs Sean now!
Posted by Jcool813 on September 17, 2009 at 8:33 p.m. #41
@ 39 makoto is a boy
@ 37
idk if i would count Sean he is brazilian. maybe i should count all the other non asian and non american characters.
anyway ibuki health will probably be worse than akuma's.
idk about the alpha characters. i only played the numbered SF games.
i think they should take out cammy. b.c. about 2% of players main her. probably less. i'd rather main Dan. Super to Ultra FTMF'nW
Posted by Oculus-Orbis on September 17, 2009 at 8:34 p.m. #42
I would have to agree with Nudosupes.
I would rather have Karin, that Adon, though 10 new characters is far more than I expected, so I'll be happy if it's true.
Posted by Linneu on September 17, 2009 at 8:36 p.m. #43
@ #41
Yeah I know.... I just said that.
Posted by tehehe on September 17, 2009 at 8:38 p.m. #44
@39
Makoto= female
Also,adding R.mika to the list would chronicle all of the sf series.:)
(as in,when the character was introduced.)
Posted by Digital on September 17, 2009 at 8:43 p.m. #45
I hope they add Makoto and Dudley!
Btw: Makoto is a female.
Posted by blahblah on September 17, 2009 at 8:44 p.m. #46
'Koto is a chick..
I don't dig Ibuki much... Weak in 3rd Strike, pretty good in 2nd Impact..
Posted by That1Guy on September 17, 2009 at 8:47 p.m. #47
Honestly, as much as I like all of these new characters, im not gonna get hype for any of this until an offical announcement. personally, i think adding 10 characters in one batch is a bit much, especially since there are already balance issues with the current group that need tweaking
also....WHERES MAH URIEN IN A SUIT
Posted by burnsro on September 17, 2009 at 8:47 p.m. #48
Okay I just drew this on a notecard. I'm guessing it's a 9x4 character selection screen in the layout of the one in Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo with Akuma and Gouken after Sagat and Bison. Add 9 characters (including Seth) on the top row and 8 characters on the bottom plus a random.
Posted by matty on September 17, 2009 at 8:50 p.m. #49
SF3 dudley -> crazy juggles -> fun
SF4 dudley -> max one hit in juggle state -> not as much fun
Posted by yes4me on September 17, 2009 at 8:50 p.m. #50
Adon, Cody and Guy... if that's true I wonder how they will play.
my prediction for the last 2 characters? Cable and Gill to make everything more balanced... as in people will use ONLY 2 characters =)
Posted by Jcool813 on September 17, 2009 at 8:53 p.m. #51
@ 39 meant she is not a boy
alot of ppl are talking about balance issues. i just want Sagat's power to be cut.
As a rufus player i want the regular messiah kick to combo out of all of his normals i.e. hard punch, mid punch
if they try to include a story this will all make absolutely no sense but idgaf
Posted by 1 on September 17, 2009 at 8:57 p.m. #52
short hair = boy
:/
Posted by dudz on September 17, 2009 at 9:05 p.m. #53
Omgz.
GUTTER TRASH!
Posted by yes on September 17, 2009 at 9:10 p.m. #54
I'll be maining Cody if this is true!
Posted by Linneu on September 17, 2009 at 9:14 p.m. #55
Elena has short hair and doesn't look like a boy. Plus, she would be way cooler than Makoto in SF4 Dash. Her fighting style is awesome an unique, unlike the boy/girl that just grabs people.
Posted by Takayanagi on September 17, 2009 at 9:16 p.m. #56
@Matty
i 2nd that!!!
Posted by Some1 on September 17, 2009 at 9:18 p.m. #57
really wanna see ibuki in the new version.
she was my main in 3s.
she has slightly more defense than akuma.
and she has alot of moves to mix it up.
Posted by Tenny on September 17, 2009 at 9:35 p.m. #58
damnit, where's the love for Rolento~~! ><
Posted by R. Mika on September 17, 2009 at 9:36 p.m. #59
PUT ME IN, COACH! I'M READY TO PLAY TODAY! I AM A GODDAMN BLONDE-HAIRED, BLUE-EYED JAPANESE FEMALE WRESTLER WITH A HUGE CHEST WHO CAN MAKE MAGIC TURNBUCKLES APPEAR SO I CAN DO MOVES OFF OF THEM! MY MANAGER RIDES BY IN A GOLF CART, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! YOU NEED NEED NEED ME IN THIS GAME!
Posted by Takayanagi on September 17, 2009 at 9:37 p.m. #60
i want SF4 to be:
1- Some Damn Balancing!!
2- Please fix the trade hit thing everything in this game is trade hit!!
3- i wanna some new characters!! i dont want them to put SF3 characters because i know they gonna look like Sh-t in 3D
4- like ppl said the Shortcut Thing please Capcom make the SRK command little bit harder!! so Scrubs wont Randomly come out...
5- PLEASE NO MORE OLD RETARD CHARACTERS!!!
6- i wish parry was there! :````(
7- fix the box hits
8- HOPEFULLY CAPCOM WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT SF4 DASH!!! I JUST HOPE FOR THAT!!
Posted by Anonymous on September 17, 2009 at 9:37 p.m. #61
As long as Seth ( playable version ) stays EXACTLY the same I'll be fine. And hopefully this will be a cheap dlc or addon disk. If not I better not have to unlock anything. Spending all that time masshing PPP with Zangief was pointless. Characters and costumes should be unlocked from the start, but new achievements should be added for the casuals and trophy hunters.
Posted by Jcool813 on September 17, 2009 at 9:42 p.m. #62
honestly Capcom should take KoF approach to normals of equal priority connect
trading w. Ryu and Sagat have been a nightmare.
Parrying would not work well w. the Ultra. The FA fits well
Posted by ? on September 17, 2009 at 9:45 p.m. #63
Makoto = Gouken's daughter
Posted by Jcool813 on September 17, 2009 at 9:48 p.m. #64
read that somewhere but in the street fighter wiki they say otherwise
Posted by BlackBond on September 17, 2009 at 9:56 p.m. #65
Hopefully this is true. I'd like to have some class and dignity brought back to the Street Fighter franchise. I'm tired of playing with Gutter Trash.
Posted by Jaf on September 17, 2009 at 9:59 p.m. #66
If this is true, then I really, really, REALLY want to pick up Dudley
All thanks to Kokujin and Fujiwara
At the same time I wonder what Super the 3rd strike characters get
Posted by Stadic on September 17, 2009 at 10:10 p.m. #67
Someone at Capcom needs to get fired.
Posted by someone special on September 17, 2009 at 10:18 p.m. #68
haha this guy certainly knows something.
Posted by someone special on September 17, 2009 at 10:19 p.m. #69
meant to say, #63 knows something, whoops!
Posted by kermit on September 17, 2009 at 10:21 p.m. #70
NERF SAGAT
there i said it. i . d . c
Posted by rog on September 17, 2009 at 10:22 p.m. #71
Why is 'Rog and Dudley in the same game? That's retarded. Maybe they should've used Yun/Yang/Urien instead.
Posted by rog and dudley on September 17, 2009 at 10:27 p.m. #72
have different play style..
Posted by How? on September 17, 2009 at 10:33 p.m. #73
How can Makoto be a bad choice?
Thats just too much awesome'ness already.
Posted by dirka dirka on September 17, 2009 at 10:46 p.m. #74
If Dudley is coming to SFIV then i'm looking forward for more Kokujin!
Posted by huh on September 17, 2009 at 10:48 p.m. #75
Yeah i would have either wanted Elena or Alex instead of Dudly. Balrog is the only boxer you need. And as much as i like Cody and Guy i dont want FF mixing with SF, they should put R.mika and Karin instead.
Posted by chubba bubba15 on September 17, 2009 at 10:53 p.m. #76
to #63
Haha I have been telling my friends this for quite some time now as well! I thin Makoto is Gouken's daughter because Gouken has a daughter thats been kept secret and dash could explain this.
Posted by vegaplz on September 17, 2009 at 10:53 p.m. #77
don't care about any new characters but dudley would be sweet...
BUT PLEAAAAAASE FIX VEGA/CLAW! MAKE HIM AS SICK AS HE IS IN TURBO HD REMIX!
Thank you :)
Posted by Albert Wesker on September 17, 2009 at 10:55 p.m. #78
Is there really a need for Final Fight characters and another Boxer? Cant we just have Hugo and call it good?
Posted by Dan on September 17, 2009 at 11:01 p.m. #79
Yes, Ibuki and Guy. More, quick tricky characters is always good.
Posted by The Inferno on September 17, 2009 at 11:08 p.m. #80
Get rid of Ultras imo.
Posted by yup on September 17, 2009 at 11:16 p.m. #81
totaly agree with 78!
Posted by Rolento *snap* on September 17, 2009 at 11:23 p.m. #82
Mission In-complete.
*Throws grenade @ Yoshi Ono office.*
Posted by BlackBond on September 17, 2009 at 11:26 p.m. #83
Hugo is a Final Fight character #78......
Posted by 71 on September 17, 2009 at 11:26 p.m. #84
Why have you been so stupid to not want to battle the 2 Street Fighter boxers?
Or really the American Las Vegas champ brawler Shadowloo goon
VS
Feinting, countering, gentleman British champ boxer
All Dudley's signature quotes are better than this
"My Fight!" joked as "Bike money!!!" we hear now in SF4.
Posted by shortcut moves bad on September 17, 2009 at 11:29 p.m. #85
People can't handle 2 boxers in the same game but always want more shotokan/Ryu clones!
Go back to Tekken! Soul Calibur! Dead or Alive!
Hugo has more fans than T.Hawk?
Your move Capcom.
Posted by some1 on September 17, 2009 at 11:33 p.m. #86
okay.. i dont know where ppl got that mokoto is gouken's daughter.. cause makoto's father's name is Masaru. who was the master of the rindokan dojo. hes dead, which is the main reason shes in 3s. cause shes trying revive the popularity of the dojo.. after her fathers death. she fights and beats ryu and other fighers.. etc.
Posted by QQbcozlackofQ on September 17, 2009 at 11:36 p.m. #87
where is Q...
Posted by Roscoe on September 17, 2009 at 11:37 p.m. #88
i remember them saying they were going to add gouken's daughter
Posted by cuttyb87 on September 17, 2009 at 11:48 p.m. #89
F everyone else I wanted Adon in the original game and he is finally here and yes Guy is here and hopefully Dudley is here also b/c he isn't a charge queer like balrog and he is a gentlemen boxer?
who should I main now I feel like playin STF4 again?
but where is the parry?
Posted by FistfulOAwesome on September 17, 2009 at 11:48 p.m. #90
Damn it. This isn't SFIV. This is SFA4. 2 new characters (who will likely be as uninspired as the ones added in IV) and a bunch of oldies. Why does this revival insist on reusing old characters? I love these guys, but my copies of SFAA and SFAC didn't spontaneously combust with the release of IV.
Plus, I thought HD remixes were the way to go for bringing back the old guys, leaving the new games free to evolve the series rather than reach back into it.
Posted by @90 on September 18, 2009 at 12:03 a.m. #91
nonsense
These are wanted characters for people who have played the game since it came out. Its not some random arbitrary choice - if this pans out to be true. Aside from that, whos to say there won't be another and another update?
As for the "I've already got it" nonsense, don't tell me for a second you wouldn't want to play an updated version regardless of how many Alpha games you have.
Posted by D.A.N. on September 18, 2009 at 12:14 a.m. #92
Please...please. Give us Yun and Yang.
Posted by hobohitman on September 18, 2009 at 12:16 a.m. #93
if this is true I doubt capcom will do anything in terms of balance, Sagat/ryu will still maintaintop tier status. It would be interesting to see how these characters made the transition to sf4, but bringing those characters into this system will make or break them(i can see adon having a harder time with the stages being bigger). Deejays a character that i have been hopeing for but in the back of my mind theres always the thought of them completely nerfing him into uselessness*look at vega from turbo to 4). AS for the 2 new characters, i hope to god they dont add anymore freaking shoto. Lets get more chargers, and more villains. Theres nothin interesting about another dp mashing fireball thrower, gouken should be the last one.
Posted by agreed on September 18, 2009 at 12:27 a.m. #94
Exactly! Don't tell me you can play SF4 ken exactly like SF 3 or even alpha 2 ken. Last time I checked Kara SRK only works for him in one of those games and that's only one out of many subtle changes in those games that makes his playstlye different.
Posted by hyperbomb on September 18, 2009 at 12:38 a.m. #95
well i want a parry to have it more based on player skill instead of the character who is beig used is that cool
Posted by IrPanda on September 18, 2009 at 12:39 a.m. #96
Can't wait to see everyone revamped in 3d!
Posted by jeff on September 18, 2009 at 12:42 a.m. #97
Why does everyone, after nearly 2 decades, still make the mistake of calling it "Championship Edition"? Is it really that hard to remember it's "CHAMPION Edition", not "championSHIP Edition"? It's the same thing as everyone calling a shoryuken a hayookit.
Posted by cuttyb87 on September 18, 2009 at 12:45 a.m. #98
we all just want the best possible game for OUR beloved franchise honestly so I hope Capcom is Listening to the forums our someone and is going to give it to us hopefully
Posted by The Black Guy on September 18, 2009 at 1:02 a.m. #99
It would be interesting to see how the 3rd strike characters would play in the 4 engine. I think they could work but to an extent. We probably won't be seeing most of the stuff we are use to.
Posted by jeff on September 18, 2009 at 1:05 a.m. #100
I hope they re-design the looks of certain characters. Chun-Li should get normal-sized legs so that her pink dress looks better on her. Her dress should be more revealing on the chest. Sakura looks great now but her legs are too muscular. She should get typical soft and fragile Japanese schoolgirl legs. She should also have a camel toe on her panties.
Posted by cuttyb87 on September 18, 2009 at 1:08 a.m. #101
I just had someone quit on me AFTER i PULLED THE RAGING DEMON ON HIM HE WAS A E. HONDA PLAYER
psn: NAMED GINGINPINPIN PLAY HIM AT UR OWN RISK
TELL HIM CUTTYB87 SENT U LOL
Posted by IrPanda on September 18, 2009 at 1:21 a.m. #102
@cuttyb87
Was he any good atleast lol?
Posted by HAHAHAH on September 18, 2009 at 2:01 a.m. #103
Don't get too excited people. Its fake.
Posted by maracaman on September 18, 2009 at 2:04 a.m. #104
Yes a motion Boxer who actually fights instead of having a staring contest.I am skeptical about adon but would love if he had the speed in alpha 1 where he was an anti sagat all over the place.I don't know if this game engine will kill that advantage.He was like a thai vega.Dee Jay though will be my new main he better combo his anti air kick into ultra.I really felt SF4 was rushed and incomplete because of the weird hit boxes,glitches, nerfs to guile,claw,honda and Dictator hopefully they will give these chars some teeth.
Posted by bob on September 18, 2009 at 2:13 a.m. #105
Stop crying cuttyb87. A rage quit is what those Flowchart Akuma's deserve.
Posted by J on September 18, 2009 at 2:13 a.m. #106
I would have much rather preferred Q over Ibuki, but 10 new characters would still be great regardless.
This is probably fake though. :\
Posted by zig_zag on September 18, 2009 at 2:13 a.m. #107
i highly doubt they would add 10 additional characters. that would create a lot of effect to the dynamics of match ups and stuff.
at best, the 10 characters name here may be in the running to be included. realistically, i expect only 1 from each listing.
Posted by J on September 18, 2009 at 2:17 a.m. #108
Also, R. Mika or Karin instead of Cody.
Posted by jm21 on September 18, 2009 at 2:31 a.m. #109
pinch of salt indeed but freaking yes please for guy,deejay and cody. guy is instant main as he is freaking awesome.
Posted by @J on September 18, 2009 at 2:33 a.m. #110
Its pricks like you will want some sh*tty character in the game then after a month now release that it was a waste of time you stupid prick. Cody a better option.
Posted by MonsieurLâm on September 18, 2009 at 2:44 a.m. #111
DUDLEY + IBUKI + MAKOTO = MAJOR "F*CK YEAH"
Now on my knees, fingers crossed with a svatiska.
Posted by J on September 18, 2009 at 2:47 a.m. #112
@110: LOL U MAD?
It's called an opinion. Get over yourself kid.
Posted by jeff on September 18, 2009 at 2:51 a.m. #113
One thing that they should certainly do is remove those stupid shortcuts.
Posted by jm21 on September 18, 2009 at 3:01 a.m. #114
some suggestions that won't make it but here goes:
1. team battle and online team battle (3-on-3 )mode (dream team of guy,fei long and deejay/cammy ftw)
2.better netcode
3.better health for chun li and fuerte
4.keeping deejay as he was and not nerfing him
5.nerfing sagat
6.buffing guile and fuerte
7.replay saving on psn
8.no more shotos
9.can we at least get a shaolin monk as a character in sf?
i know this is wishful thinking but a dude can dream right?
Posted by Atom Punch on September 18, 2009 at 3:03 a.m. #115
I love the moaning about two boxers being too much. Loads of Shotos are fine but two boxers will ruin a game? Wtf...
Posted by jeff on September 18, 2009 at 3:10 a.m. #116
Replay-saving is a really useful feature. I want to save the replays as h.264-encoded 720p files and copy them to a USB-connected external hard drive. Or even better, let me copy them through the LAN from the PS3 to my PC. Then I can upload them to YouTube. I'll select the replays that are so amazing that Daigo faps to them.
Posted by CAR SMASH on September 18, 2009 at 3:13 a.m. #117
CAR SMASH
Posted by BONUS STAGE on September 18, 2009 at 3:15 a.m. #118
SUV SMASH
BARREL SMASH
CONCRETE BLOCK SMASH
Posted by Question on September 18, 2009 at 3:44 a.m. #119
SFIII characters, really? Really?
They couldn't have just put some more Alpha members in there?
Posted by Question on September 18, 2009 at 3:49 a.m. #120
In fact:
R.Mika
Karin
Juni/Juli.
gogogogo Capcom!
Posted by hobohitman on September 18, 2009 at 4:11 a.m. #121
@maracaman
Dude cause because balrog is a charger doesnt make him a turlte. Look at hd remix/turbo, balrog is a monster on the rush down and characters like bison are really scary when played aggressive. Blame sf4s system for favoring turtles.
IMO thats the first fix they need for this game, before any balance/character/etc. We need to against the game so that holding down back isnt always the best thing to do. Take away the big reversal windows, take away short cuts, make it so u can only tech throws from a standing position, shorten the stages etc. For me playing aggressive in sf4 and hdr is night and day. In 4 i find myself having to respect down back, Mix ups are limited and even if im wining i have to respect the ultra combo, in hdr if u want to sit there holding down back thats great, cause il just hump u with tick throw mix ups until u either fight or lose.
Posted by Dudley on September 18, 2009 at 4:11 a.m. #122
@ #110
You have no dignity!
Posted by Peffico on September 18, 2009 at 4:17 a.m. #123
10 characters? That seems a bit much. Usually with every update they have it's 2 or 3 new ones.
The 2 super turbo characters will be fine since it's more like sf2 engine.
SF3 characters are hit and miss. Always wanted to see the Champ (cheating as he is) Take on a guy that is errr I dunno a bit fruity for my taste. Makato might be overpowered because of he reliance on grabs. But then again the juggling has been nerfed.
Parries should stay out. (no one randomly pressing forward or down while being comboed to get a random parry)
in the end I think we will just get t hawk and deejay and 2 new characters.
That's my 2 cents
Posted by ???? on September 18, 2009 at 4:20 a.m. #124
bring back the guard metre.stop turtle promotion more punishment on block
Posted by @123 on September 18, 2009 at 4:21 a.m. #125
I wouldn't be surprised if most of those new characters were the console characters--hey, they'd be new for the arcade release, which is the only thing Capcom Japan really cares about.
Posted by Monster Master on September 18, 2009 at 4:35 a.m. #126
II WANT URIEN IN A SUIT!!!
Posted by Bruno on September 18, 2009 at 4:51 a.m. #127
Mr. Wizard deleted the thread
Posted by Thamanator on September 18, 2009 at 5:13 a.m. #128
Cody?
Why?
Posted by qwerty on September 18, 2009 at 5:17 a.m. #129
If this is true, it'll kinda be like a fusion of SF2 and SFA xD
Also kinda surprised about the choices (if true). I would've thought Yun & Yang would be on the list. No Karin either.
still be fun to play random characters though xD
Posted by CODY on September 18, 2009 at 5:23 a.m. #130
Cody is pretty good and THAT girl that have a STAR sticker on her Nippplesssss in aphla 3 should be in there vs cammie! MOO Ha Ha .. MOOO ha ha
Posted by hobohitman on September 18, 2009 at 5:36 a.m. #131
this is why capcom cant listen to the player base. When are people asking for freakin mika? If u wanna see boobies theres a million other sites to look at. Karin is nothing but girl ken, another wierd most likely prevented request but atleast she has different moves. But mika? Seriously?
Posted by hobohitman on September 18, 2009 at 5:37 a.m. #132
this is why capcom cant listen to the player base. When are people asking for freakin mika? If u wanna see boobies theres a million other sites to look at. Karin is nothing but girl ken, another wierd most likely prevented request but atleast she has different moves. But mika? Seriously? I mean u people asking for her really cant except her to look half way decent can u? Look at cammy in sf4, or chun, hell most of the character models look retarded.
Posted by O'Rly? on September 18, 2009 at 6 a.m. #133
Yeah! T. Hawk!
Let's smash some skulls! :D
Posted by Dudley fan on September 18, 2009 at 6:31 a.m. #134
Please, Jesus and God,(even though you don't exist)let this be true! I really want to see Dudley whoop up on Balrog.
Posted by shannaro!!! on September 18, 2009 at 6:32 a.m. #135
I know these were just rumors, but I wish Karin was part of it... Who likes Adon anyways?!
Posted by I hope its false on September 18, 2009 at 6:45 a.m. #136
T.Hawk is the worst character ever..!!!..
SFIV Dash is fail.
Posted by Yesum on September 18, 2009 at 6:57 a.m. #137
1 - Bring Back The Guard Meter
2 - Increase Game Play Speed
3 - Tweak/Change the netcode
4 - Multiple Choice Ultra's
5 - Ultras no longer build as much with punishment. Builds like the Super meter, but slower now.
6 - Nerf Zangief, Honda(people spam worse with these than shotos)
7 - Priority Changes to Blanka, Ken, Guile, Chun, Zangeif, Claw, Boxer, Dictator
8 - Scrap Dan and Gouken
9 - More stages
10 - Scrap Champ mode
11 - Scrap Ranked mode
12 - Lobbies and Spectators
13 - Scrap all icons/titles. Allow people to text in their title, upload a icon. No curse words in titles, no nudity/explicit icons.
14 - Tweak the Damage Scaling
15 - Tweak Chip Damage
16 - Scrap half of the Trophies
17 - Tweak Trial Mode. No longer based on easy to hard. Now based on determined rank of player via his wins and loses. More random combos and links presented to repeat/pratice via the trail modes. Not just one set, and so on and so on.
18 - No hidden characters, modes, stages, options, etc..
19 - Eliminate locked saved game data
Posted by chickenwings on September 18, 2009 at 7:18 a.m. #138
@yesum
just play hdr lol. Its a better game on so many levels.
Posted by @137 on September 18, 2009 at 7:20 a.m. #139
"Nerf Zangief, Honda(people spam worse with these than shotos)"
Are you mental? I understand Zangief's lariat can be very effective..but even spamming it is easily punishable...and what can Honda spam that can't be punished?!?!..plz enlight me...you just don't know how to punish...
I'll be glad if this list is true...I just want balance and creative characters...if one of the new characters is Gouken's daughter..please don't make another shoto clone...I am so sick of Shotos right now since like almost half of the active players are playing Ryus and Sagats right now.
Posted by Hmmm. on September 18, 2009 at 7:36 a.m. #140
Im glad third strike characters made it in...but im dissapointed if this is a bit true...i rather have 1 new char or replace mokoto for either alex or hugo... Makoto is cool and all.....but im really of the unoriginal uninspired karate gi fighter.... Alex and Hugo fit right in the SF2 cast and have very cool and different designs.
also one more thing...how old is ibuki and makoto in third strike... i heard ibuki is like a teenager and im not sure if makota was a teen or a young adult..presumming that she is a teenager wouldnt they be like in there tweens?....but i guess thats how the japanese like it.
Posted by Mr. Amazing on September 18, 2009 at 8:09 a.m. #141
It's amazing how ALL OF YOU GUYS sound like A Holes.
Posted by lulz on September 18, 2009 at 8:15 a.m. #142
increase sagats power.. i find him abit weak imo
easier inputs for shoryuken, i struggle to do them
bring back 3rd strike chun li and super turbo guile
no damage scaling
that should even up the game abit
Posted by ryu supastar on September 18, 2009 at 8:45 a.m. #143
I don't care who they add just make a lobby
Posted by hyperbomb on September 18, 2009 at 8:46 a.m. #144
This is fake guys comeon save ur energy lol
think about it how can Makoto be in the game shes a teen in thrid strike and so is Ibuki and since its only 1 super and a ultra u can choose from they are going to be hella nerfed but Hopefully Adon in the game
Posted by cuttyb87 on September 18, 2009 at 8:48 a.m. #145
I want Adon I liked him in Alpha and hopefully 1 of the new characters is Alex mentor Tom so he can have alex move set and I have a feeling this fake 2 lol its fun to play the guessin game
Posted by jcool813 on September 18, 2009 at 8:51 a.m. #146
@ yesum.
your asking for too much.
the fighting system is fine. The Revenge meter is fine. it gives ppl a chance to come back.
Damage scaling is fine.
Scrap champ and ranked??? stop posting on here plz
priority changes? maybe those are the characters that own you. some priority changes should be made when hits are traded.
Tweak trial mode? it is perfect. its lets play get an idea of how to use the character.
More stages? who gives a ****
Posted by Doug on September 18, 2009 at 8:56 a.m. #147
Nerf Honda are you crazy he has been nerfed enough already. Honda needs the light headbutt through projectiles or at least have his ex version do it.
Posted by Doug on September 18, 2009 at 8:57 a.m. #148
One more thing rumor has it that somebody has played the beta and it plays nothing like SF4. Grain of salt.
Posted by Rashvard on September 18, 2009 at 8:59 a.m. #149
Maybe, just maybe, this time Capcom is putting together characters that a greap portion of the series are fan of. Sure, its really hard to please everyone, but SFIV (great game) just totally forgot about SFIII, what is a real shame, beein a really good Street Fighter the 3rd installment is.
Posted by Jcool813 on September 18, 2009 at 9:07 a.m. #150
Honda does need the light headbutt through projectiles and ex through any projectile like blanka.
Posted by zerowolf on September 18, 2009 at 9:26 a.m. #151
Dude no way will there be 10 new people.theyll prob give us 3 or 4.dee jay hawk and 2 new char.
Posted by srk mods suck on September 18, 2009 at 9:32 a.m. #152
you better watch what you say or you will get banned. those mods have no lifes and itchy trigger fingers.
Posted by Hondinha on September 18, 2009 at 10:11 a.m. #153
Honda needs to be upgraded, not nerfed... Try to use him against high level players... It's so frustrating...
Posted by some1 on September 18, 2009 at 10:17 a.m. #154
i understand what ppl are saying. that mokoto and ibuki might be alittle too young, but i believe MvC and SNKvC cammy was about 16 years old. and in 3s ibuki must be a pretty decent age. since she is going to university. so, im sure they can put her in at the age of 16 or 17 at the least.
Posted by Madness on September 18, 2009 at 10:18 a.m. #155
I saw this thread the other day and can't believe they are making the rumour worse
Balance is more important than the new options, so de-nerf everyone who saw the axe in the first version and make sure the new characters don't suck either.
Posted by Deleting threads? on September 18, 2009 at 10:21 a.m. #156
It's behaviour like this that keeps me from wanting to ever support srk. They have interests and relationships with Capcom that they'd like to keep and deleting such a thread is a great indicator that the leaked news will be announced at TGS. Censorship is bad, mkay?
Posted by Valter on September 18, 2009 at 10:24 a.m. #157
Why are the mods at SRK always immature? It's not like the mods of SRK are Capcom staff or anything. Immature nerds trying to cover up information because they think that they are good SF players when they are really all scrubs. Yes, all SRK mods are absolute scrubs. So is Seth.
Posted by 3rd Suck on September 18, 2009 at 10:29 a.m. #158
They aren't putting SF3 characters in an update....MAYBE AND THIS IS A HUGE MAYBE Yun & Yang simply because they cld be linked to Chun as in her opening. The rest of the characters work as the arent in Rejects Fighter 3 3s...All the returning characters are from SF2 or Alpha. Skull -o Mania will be in it before the no name SF3 characters!!
Posted by Jcool813 on September 18, 2009 at 10:48 a.m. #159
im tired of all this karin n r mika bs.
what the game needs is a really fighter. a fighter like...
SKULL-O-MANIA!
Posted by Hi on September 18, 2009 at 11:02 a.m. #160
I think # 100 has been thinking about that for a long time. heh
#158 , i dont see how you can be a true fighting fan if you dont even by a little enjoy 3s. and find it boring. sucky or whatever.. i dont see how someone can be a true true fighting fan when you hate a game like 3s.
Posted by ... on September 18, 2009 at 11:02 a.m. #161
What do you guys see in Karin? Come on... lame char...
Posted by MPT on September 18, 2009 at 11:11 a.m. #162
@153...try to use Abel against high level players..or mid level zangief..the horror...
Posted by Tornado on September 18, 2009 at 11:23 a.m. #163
Better choices than Cody and Guy: Rolento, Karin, Mika, Birdie, Sodom
Better choices than Makoto: Hugo, Elena, Oro, Q, Urien, Yun, ... even Necro !!
Posted by T-hawk sucks on September 18, 2009 at 11:23 a.m. #164
Why do people want T-hawk? IMO he's a scrubby character. Do high level players actually want him?
Posted by cuttyb87 on September 18, 2009 at 11:42 a.m. #165
so is this legit or what? and btw if u quit and Akuma pulls him ultra on u don't quit u look worse than the guy that did it to u lol
Posted by OG on September 18, 2009 at 12:11 p.m. #166
10 new people? BS.
Posted by IrPanda on September 18, 2009 at 12:29 p.m. #167
I don't see why 10 new peopel would be such a big step, i mean they put 7 new ones in the console version and T.Hawk and DeJay were almost complete .
Posted by hmong on September 18, 2009 at 12:31 p.m. #168
just gimme dj and guy
Posted by HUH on September 18, 2009 at 12:41 p.m. #169
@137
#6. Nerf Zangief and Honda ?? WTF U smoking... you know how hard it is to get in with gief and even harder with Honda ?? A gief jumping in to a ryu = ryu with damage but gief eating ultra after srk.
and as for multiple ultras... well they're trying to keep it so that anyone can learn ..multiple ultras just intimidate people..
Posted by Chris Vega on September 18, 2009 at 12:50 p.m. #170
@ 157
I totally agree with that statement.
And to people who are complaining about extra characters get over it. There eventually is going to be a third and final version of street fighter 4 and I would say the roster will top out at around 45 to 50 Characters and this third version will be the game people are still playing 20 years from now.
Posted by IrPanda on September 18, 2009 at 1:04 p.m. #171
And who ever said remove Gouken and Dan ru nuts man those are my 2 favorite players on SF4
Posted by Chris Vega on September 18, 2009 at 1:05 p.m. #172
@ 63
Makoto is not goukens daughter, Sakura is. They share a facial resemblence. Thats why when blanka beats gouken he says you look familar but different somehow because blanka, dan and sakura are friends. And Sakura is the cub akuma refers to in his video when you beat the game with him. lets face it they both have fireballs that you can charge. On the next game sakura is gonna be a beast.
Posted by Metal Health on September 18, 2009 at 1:09 p.m. #173
ADON... ADON... ADON... ADON... ADON...
please dont make another shoto...(f@ck gouken's daughter)
ADON... ADON... ADON...
Posted by Amaterasu on September 18, 2009 at 1:27 p.m. #174
Who cares bout Ibuki ill rather much see either Urien or Yun
Posted by mikenmike0001 on September 18, 2009 at 1:40 p.m. #175
That would be cool to have 10 new people, but I'd hate to have to buy a whole new SF4 edition when I bought the other one not too long ago. Could be good if they had an expansion pack for dash for those who already have bought SF4.
Rumors of bringing Cody and Guy would be fun. I don't know anyone who was good with Adon. Rolento would be better since he's a fast ticking character, or maybe I'm thinking that way because of alpha counters, which you can't do in SF4. Since they have those Final Fight characters, might as well bring in Haggar. Didn't they complete him in that one canceled Capcom came a while back that was supposed to be like Virtual Fighter anyways?
Yes, bring back the guard meter.
Posted by shannaro!!! on September 18, 2009 at 1:48 p.m. #176
@Chris Vega
But... Gouken never even MET Sakura before SFIV. Gouken is neither Sakura's NOR Makoto's father. He is the adoptive father of Ryu but that's about it.
Posted by lol@vega on September 18, 2009 at 2:18 p.m. #177
Chris Vega do you have a brain. The cub is Ryu smart guy
Posted by Mr Moody on September 18, 2009 at 2:29 p.m. #178
Sweet Makoto!
Hopefully they do Guy, Cody and Maki for the trifecta of FF characters (hero wise anyways). And because Maki is awesome.
I think it would be awesome if they added in an air focus attack, although it probably be terrible for some characters.
Posted by saiferoth on September 18, 2009 at 2:37 p.m. #179
hmm so many comments.
my opinion entitles: this is great except dudley should not be added cause we have a boxer (yes i know they are different) and i wanted rolento because he makes sense and he adds to the story (or character tree) but i guess ibuki good too. doubt any of this stuff is real though. just a wishlist
act like this isnt real, because if it isnt, then u wont be disappointed rite? just sayin. dont get ur hopes up please
Posted by Backspacer on September 18, 2009 at 2:46 p.m. #180
No Rolento??
* cries silently *
Posted by hyperbomb on September 18, 2009 at 3:24 p.m. #181
come on guys its all lies
Posted by Soul Bro Ryu on September 18, 2009 at 3:29 p.m. #182
@Bruno (#127)
Called it! If the rumors are true, then removing the thread will does more harm to Capcom's "secret" than good. Most of the internet would have blown this off as wild speculation if the thread was still up.
Here's hoping that there are more characters then who was "leaked". I still think Capcom has a surprise or two for us at TGS.
Posted by Terry Bogard on September 18, 2009 at 3:35 p.m. #183
Put me in coach! No better way to hype up a potential Capcom Vs. SNK 3 than for Capcom to license me from SNK as a secret character SF IV Dash!
BUSTAAAAAAA WOLVES for everybody!!!
Posted by Chris Vega on September 18, 2009 at 3:41 p.m. #184
@ 177
Yes I do have a brain and I have friends in places that you dont so I know exactly where this game and the story is headed if anyone really cares about the story, but Why do you think everyone keeps talking about Gouken having a long lost daughter. And of course they never met why do you think his daughter is long lost, there is more coming from his back story as well. Freaking young bucks always trying to put your two cent into something by insulting someone but you have no clue....
Posted by Stitchlink on September 18, 2009 at 3:51 p.m. #185
Well ill believe them making some balancing updates and adding a couple characters like dudley and deejay but 10characters with 2 new ones is just outrageous!!! I mean look at this i mean they (at the most) had like 9 months to do all that! Just i think it wont happen at all,i mean unless if they made the new characters horridly unbalanced or just sloppily made them,i really don't think it will happen Id expect a balance update and maybe,JUST MAYBE, two characters at the most!!
Posted by Chanko on September 18, 2009 at 4:36 p.m. #186
Adding characters are cool but I don't want to see characters removed. I would like it if E Honda stayed in the game.
Posted by Soul Bro Ryu on September 18, 2009 at 4:58 p.m. #187
Damn, 10 characters is too much? Even though it not a perfect example when we transitioned from Capcom Vs. SNK Pro to Capcom Vs. SNK 2, we were given 14 additional characters. It wasn't the most balanced game, but it was more balanced than MvC2, to say the least.
Ono and his team have put a great deal of effort in SFIV to make it as balanced as possible. In time, astute players are always going to find what works best, what characters are best and how to exploit those characters for effectiveness in a fight in order to win. No matter how hard development teams try to balance a cast, unless they had years to QC every possible scenario & match up in the game, there are always going to be God tier, Garbage tier and everyone else in-between. What really matters is the distance between how good and bad they are.
Given the admission from the developers that Seth & Sagat turned out a bit better than expected, expect them to have some tweaking next game. I'm sure that the emphasis they placed on making SFIV as balanced as they could will carry over to the update, despite the addition of so many speculated characters.
Personally, I find it hard for Capcom to convince less die-hard players shell out another $60 for SFIV Dash if they only put in two new people. Fighting game fans will pick it up, but to entice that "casual" market every developer wants to tap into nowadays, Capcom has to show that this game will be considerably different from the original.
I look forward to the flaming. ^_^
Posted by Sektah84 on September 18, 2009 at 5:29 p.m. #188
No adon?! WTF lol
anyway please 2nd impact ibuki not 3rd strike version.
Sagat needs to be toned down a bit even though he's my fav character
Posted by Neo_Smoke on September 18, 2009 at 6:17 p.m. #189
I hope this is true as long as the game is balanced and all the characters make it into both the arcade and console versions seriously.
Posted by some1 on September 18, 2009 at 6:26 p.m. #190
@ Chris Vega/#184
so gouken has a son too? cause sakura has a brother named Tsukushi..
Posted by 2d Illuminati on September 18, 2009 at 6:47 p.m. #191
Another topic based on the Dash characters was deleted. In this particular topic, Henaki stated that an NDA agreement was broken and that the information was from a trusted source within the game industry. The information about the characters will be time released, and more information about Dash itself will be at TGS.
Posted by 1 on September 18, 2009 at 8:27 p.m. #192
Makoto and Ibuki impossible! What about the STOOOOORY! durrrrrrrrr
Posted by some1 on September 18, 2009 at 8:30 p.m. #193
how is makoto and ibuki impossible? in 3s shes going to UNIVERSITY!
Posted by Duwenidmormxcns on September 18, 2009 at 9:14 p.m. #194
Stronger stamina for Fuerte and One escape move.
Get rid of shortcuts and a little more balancing. that is all
Posted by not a racist on September 18, 2009 at 9:20 p.m. #195
I hopr they don't add T. Hawk. We already have Fuerte.
The game is slow enough as it is without the fighters taking a nap halfway through the match.
Posted by Jcool813 on September 18, 2009 at 9:22 p.m. #196
yth are you complaining about 2 boxers in a game? there are way too many shotos and nobody says anything about that.
Balrog v Dudley is a dream match for me
Deejay is my fav HDR character i hope they don't nerf him like they nerfed guile.
Posted by stubbs on September 18, 2009 at 9:36 p.m. #197
"there are way too many shotos and nobody says anything about that"
are you retarded
Posted by Jcool813 on September 18, 2009 at 9:39 p.m. #198
i hope the 2 new characters are nothing like the shotos. more unique characters.
Posted by on September 18, 2009 at 9:40 p.m. #199
stubbs eat a d***
Posted by zig_zag on September 18, 2009 at 9:41 p.m. #200
ok heres real talk:
u all getting trolled and capcom aint adding new characters. instead they going back to original 8 man cast. REAL TALK
Posted by Scroobsss on September 18, 2009 at 9:49 p.m. #201
What if SRK is messing with our minds? Like Mr. Wizard wants controversy or attention and is just deleting the threads to get notoriety??...
Posted by Jonesburg on September 18, 2009 at 9:56 p.m. #202
Great news ! T.Hawk is my favorite fighter !!
Posted by That guy on September 18, 2009 at 10:03 p.m. #203
Cody is god. If this is true I will be so very very happy.
On another note, all you people who want to add a parry and make SF4 an alternate version of SF3 can go to hell. The parry was great, but game dominating. It should stay exclusive to SF3.
Also, if it is possible, which I am not sure it is, make Dan more awesome. I like how he is still amusing to play with but is actually usable.
As much as I do like the choices for characters I do worry about the balance. I hope they can maintain the, fairly good, balance of SF4. As much as I love my Alpha 3, the rift between bottom tier and god tier was a little overwhelming...
If this is true...
Posted by um 10 on September 18, 2009 at 10:56 p.m. #204
10 characters is very possible.. especially when the console got like 8 characters... and about 20 something characters.....
Do people really doubt an update could hold 10 characters in about a year when console got characters less than 6 months.... not to mention that most characters would have existing move sets...from previous games.. a few tweeks here and there... and the fact that it's in 3D makes it easier to add characters from the 2D days...
The only thing that would take long is if they made some all new and original characters.
Posted by mike on September 18, 2009 at 11:47 p.m. #205
Am i the only person who doesnt think they should put mayor mike hagger in sf4 dash?!!
Posted by lol on September 19, 2009 at 12:06 a.m. #206
If they Haggar in the game that would rule.
Posted by superturbofan89 on September 19, 2009 at 12:21 a.m. #207
This game needs more Oro.I don't get why Oro hasn't been in every sf. Capcom sucks, they only have one good game at that is dmc
Posted by IrPanda on September 19, 2009 at 12:30 a.m. #208
@307
Fully agree man Oro should be in there, using both hands and all ahahhaha.
Posted by ^ Terry Bogard 183 on September 19, 2009 at 1:50 a.m. #209
"ARE YOU OKAY ?!!"
Geese Howard's was hard to hear at first too, sounding like "S K ROM DEATH," when its really like "You can't escape from death!" But Terry said it before on Neo Geo Pocket SNK vs CAP.
'Tough last boss huh, how can he be intimidating when he's named after a water fowl? '
Posted by ^ 178 on September 19, 2009 at 2:06 a.m. #210
Maki's cool, but expected more from the Bushin Female Ninja.
Ibuki has a style and moves all her own, so no need for Maki if Guy gets in.
Stop Balrog's jabs from having the most priority/frame advantage of anything anywhere Street Fighter ever.
Bring back universal overhead attacks (UOH).
No Mario super jumps already so people just abuse jump back instead of learning WTF dashes are. Or with a Sagat who has terrible dashes, he can't just fly away whenever he wants. Kara fly across the screen whenever he wants too.
Shorten the stages. Cracker Jack baseball bat home run that turtle style!
Juli/Juni, F no. Last you seen them, broken BS 2 on 1 in Boss Survival mode Alpha 3 Max PSP. For a reason. Rainbow Mika? No. What's the matter with you?
No one ever mention that Ingrid again either.
Capcom has enough bad ideas.
Posted by HAHAHAH on September 19, 2009 at 2:15 a.m. #211
The users on this site is a f*cking joke. Do people actually read what they type? F*cking JOKE XD
Posted by HAHA yourself on September 19, 2009 at 2:22 a.m. #212
Your joke about the jokes isn't much of a joke.
You joke. Check the grammar.
"The users on this site is a f*cking joke."
Sidesplitting humor.
Posted by R. Mika fan on September 19, 2009 at 2:53 a.m. #213
@hobohitman: "When are people asking for freakin mika?"
Now
and for the last several years :D
She's a good buddy for Sakura and Zangief, and is funny.
I agree with the people who are asking for Skullomania from the EX series, but Arika owns the rights to those and I hear it's very unlikely Capcom would pony up for them. Shame, because there were some cool EX-only characters...Pullum, Darun, Allen, Garuda were all strong designs
Posted by JoontheBaboon on September 19, 2009 at 3:04 a.m. #214
Just give Ken the same Hadoken as Ryu and I'll be happy.
Posted by ARIKA license needs to be bought on September 19, 2009 at 3:04 a.m. #215
Doctrine Dark > Pullum. Agree with other good designs. Garuda badass, actual ghost/demon, unlike Akuma wanna be versions. Pullum screaming out can't even understand attack names, not soo good transition, nor did many Japanese players like hearing that either?
Outside of Rolento, we never see the weapons, crafty, mercenary type fighter. Rolento vs D.Dark would be fun. Plus he's actually out to kill Guile, not Capcom Japan which JerseyFame thinks is doing. I kid, I kid. Sonic Hurricane would heal many wounds.
And keep R.Mika in the fanservice of UDON comics, where story is added to for any reason & matters to fans and she can buddy with Zang and Sakura. Fuerte fills the alternate wrestler need better than Mika already.
Posted by desu on September 19, 2009 at 3:42 a.m. #216
buff el fuerte!
kari karin karin!
Posted by 5er' on September 19, 2009 at 3:56 a.m. #217
mmhh this game could use an loli in it.
Posted by the frog-splash lives on September 19, 2009 at 4:09 a.m. #218
anyone got any vids of deejay in action i mean alpha 3 deejay. plus rolento was a good character but i think new characters would be appreciated.just have deejay,guy,t.hawk and makoto plus two new characters i mean surely they must have had others that they scrapped while sf4 was in development.
Posted by @ 206 on September 19, 2009 at 4:11 a.m. #219
Oh ****. Haggar would be godly. Sadly, people wouldn't want to see another Zangief type. Or should I say Haggar type? He technically came first.
Hopefully this list is true, Dudley is the one I want to see most besides Haggar.
Posted by purphaze on September 19, 2009 at 5:44 a.m. #220
@ 215 ROFL at the guile jerseryfame shot out lol yo jerseyfame its official everyone now knows u love u some guile lol......... "rolento is trieng to kill guile not capcom" classic
Posted by TheSikThSenSE on September 19, 2009 at 6:16 a.m. #221
I think I would really like Alex/Q/Adon to be included.
But yes on one thing, defintely no more shotos!
Posted by fawfay on September 19, 2009 at 6:18 a.m. #222
Put adon and remy and this game will be perfect.
Posted by TheSikThSenSE on September 19, 2009 at 6:21 a.m. #223
Actually thinking about EX Characters (even though unlikely) D. Dark and Vulcano Rosso would be amazing!
Posted by 10 New Characters? on September 19, 2009 at 6:31 a.m. #224
I'm excited about new characters, but at the same time I'm really concerned.
I mean, this is a casual players dream -- more people to eff around with against friends and stuff.
But the scene has a lot of hardcore players too. For them -- I guess, for "us" -- matchups are a major part of the game. I feel like I'm JUST coming to terms with the matchups that exist in this game today... I can't even imagine the pain alot of players are going to feel when they've gotta learn 10 more matches, inside and out.
Posted by purphaze on September 19, 2009 at 6:44 a.m. #225
@ 226 isnt that part of the fun? figuring out the match-ups? i still cant fight blankas that well but learning lol i just hope at the very least if these characters are all gunna be low tier then make them have great match-ups agasint the top tiered players now I.E sags ryu! please just make the characters be able to compete with out having to have a PHD and i aint talkin playa hater degree lol
Posted by forefound on September 19, 2009 at 7:12 a.m. #226
Makoto will make an excellent addition to the game! one of the most unique play style and design ever! just please get the same actress to do her voice! she was awesome!
as for dudely and ibuki.. im not a huge fan of them... but they are good choices.. just please don't add any of those characters who can juggle forever! no yun, yang, urien, oro... not fun to just watch ur character bounced around for 15+ sec...
the only one i don't like is cody.. maybe give us one of those cammy look alike girls? the redhead, short hair one? juni i believe? just because she's hot! way hotter than cammy!
also, we finally have another 360/wrestler character!
Posted by IM HUNGRY on September 19, 2009 at 7:26 a.m. #227
People are asking for all sorts of odd characters now....Haggard, EX characters who are not canon, Remy, and Q....can we get the drunk Russian guy from Zangeif's stage in SFII?
Posted by No on September 19, 2009 at 8:04 a.m. #228
Clearly, the rock and the palm tree on Sagats stage are the 2 new characters!
Posted by IrPanda on September 19, 2009 at 8:42 a.m. #229
@229
But it is fun t see your opponent bounce around for 15+secs lol.
Posted by mikenmike0001 on September 19, 2009 at 9:30 a.m. #230
@195
When I think of dudley vs boxer, I think that Dudley players will win most of the time, hands down, that is, if they stick with what he had from 3rd Strike. Dudley has a wide variety of chains than Boxer has, Dudley does not have to turtle as much to charge his moves cuz he has Shoto motion keys, Dudley has a wider variety of move sets that Boxer, and the list goes on. I see Dudley being way more offensive than Boxer, regardless of the skilled player playing these character.
But then again, I think people would hate playing against a Dudley in SF4 based on the stun gauge. After seeing Yeb play Gen and seeing how easily people get stunned by Gen's Standard's to Special attacks, I can only imagine...jump in attack, 3-4 hit chain into machine gun blower (ex or no ex), dash cancel repeat combos until no more super meter bar, last part of the combo into an ultra, which would most likely be the rocket uppercut, unless they think of something new for him, and then from there depending on the hang time, a little air juggle from the rose that he throws from his taunt into something else. My imagination is going crazy right now. A sign of hunger. I need to find something to eat.
Posted by Yoya on September 19, 2009 at 9:49 a.m. #231
@ #232
No its not.
I disagree with people complaining about Boxer and dudley being in the same game. just because they both are boxers, black and wear gloves doesn't mean they are the same! if you played them you'll know they are completely different game play wise.
Posted by Alex on September 19, 2009 at 9:55 a.m. #232
Man we need alex in street fighter 4 he was the main in st3 ahhh!!!! ALEX RULES!!
Posted by YesD on September 19, 2009 at 10:07 a.m. #233
#229
Yeah, Yun/Yang, Urien and oro should never be allowed in sf4. their style just does not fit.
Come to think of it.. Just exclude Yun/Yang, Urien and the freaks (Oro, Q, Twelve, Necro) anyone else from 3s should work fine in SF4.
Posted by SSJ3X on September 19, 2009 at 10:12 a.m. #234
Holy macro, this has to be the most comments I've seen for a news article on EH.
I have to admit though, it looks like the cat may be out of the bag. Its coming, and its coming good.
Posted by WELL!?! on September 19, 2009 at 10:51 a.m. #235
I'd bet the update won't happen until atleast feb. They may wait for the 1 year anniversary of the console release. That's if you go by the US release date. -bandit-
Posted by Daikuma on September 19, 2009 at 11:25 a.m. #236
No Charlie & no Rainbow Mika T__T
Posted by Manicman on September 19, 2009 at 12:39 p.m. #237
I don't know why people think it is impossible for their to be 10 new characters. SF4 was a success so maybe they have a bigger development team now for the new game. I mean they added 6 for the console version so that is only a few more for the next game.
People who complain about characters not fitting with the story are crazy. A quarter of the characters have no real important connection to the story.
Blanka, Dan, Gief, Fuerte, Sim,... I understand if you like the story but it is average at best.
Posted by Guile is a joke on September 19, 2009 at 12:55 p.m. #238
Guile is a joke he really is
Posted by baz on September 19, 2009 at 12:57 p.m. #239
RO LEN TO!
Posted by IrPanda on September 19, 2009 at 1:12 p.m. #240
@234
I disagree yes it is lol , once the combos aren't infinite at least.
Posted by Low Quality UK on September 19, 2009 at 2:16 p.m. #241
i like most of those characters except Cody.
I'd rather have another character from Alpha/Zero except Cody. I thought Karin Kanazuki would have been more likely , or at least Sodom or Rolento or even Rainbow Mika.
I think the 3rd Strike characters are pretty much spot on as I think those were the favourites among the new breed.
I don't care what anyone says about DeeJay or T.Hawk though , the Super Turbo family should be complete.
Posted by the whateva guy on September 19, 2009 at 2:16 p.m. #242
watch the next update just put more levels into time trial and survival mode lol
Posted by bossman on September 19, 2009 at 2:41 p.m. #243
i dont care who they put in, im sure whoever they put in will work... i play with all the sf4 chars and enjoy them all... didnt ever like thawk but im sure i'll end up using him and enjoying it
my prediction on the dash game:
- im thinking out of the 10 chars showing they will use about 7, 8 of them and maybe change a 2
- they will probably add goukens daughter as the only new shoto char
- no new system input like parry or air block...
- bonus stages lobbies etc
- still 1 ultra, maybe 2 supers?
things im hoping for:
im hoping they nerf sagat's strength
i think nerfing sagat leaves the game pretty well balanced... he's the only char that seems to be in his own tier
people keep saying to boost up guile but i think if you do that you might up making him too good????
im not sure the in's and out's of balancing chars but my idea is if you add more to chars it might end up being a bit wonky again and end up with more headace nerfing sagat's strength seems pretty simple and fair???
i dont mind having chars that are mid tier but top tier should be a grouped well... sagat seems to be in S tier all by himself top tier char they a good selection... ryu, bision, rufus, viper, balrog, akuma... sims... gief?? there all as good as each other...
i dont think all chars should be balanced i like the fact that there are low, mid, high tier chars, makes the game fun...
either or im more than sure that i will buy into their product regardless... god bless sf4... thats the only reason why i bought a p3 lol
Posted by Hugo on September 19, 2009 at 3:18 p.m. #244
Hugo please.
No one cares about Deejay or T hawk.
Posted by Dudley on September 19, 2009 at 3:28 p.m. #245
If this is true, I can't wait to fight of all you...like gentlemen.
Posted by Graphi on September 19, 2009 at 4:08 p.m. #246
Why Dudley? Another character with dragon punch? Bring back Elena or Oro !!
Makoto also bad, btw..
Posted by Viva Mexico on September 19, 2009 at 4:15 p.m. #247
T.Hawk and Dee Jay are great additions!! Rolento and Hugo please.
Posted by Markski on September 19, 2009 at 4:15 p.m. #248
Wow I'd really hope they release SF4 dash in the arcades. How awesome would it be to go to the arcades and play a sf4 game with 30+ character's in the arcades. All the original console character's + the new dash character's. As well as releasing it on console too. Well I donno I'm just so anticipating the new confrence capcom is going to have about this I can't wait. So I just hope that this thread is true because I like those characters. I really hope they put another boxer in like Dudly that would be amazing.
Posted by Cameron on September 19, 2009 at 4:20 p.m. #249
Hope its True, Current Cast is Boring Me.
Posted by ^ 222 purphaze on September 19, 2009 at 4:51 p.m. #250
D.Dark is out to kill Guile.
Rolento wants a war or something?
New World Order, he teen wolf/ghost rides the tanks up and down the street in those Alpha game endings. Tanks in the subway flying by in the background of his Alpha 3 stage.
Posted by Muffin Man on September 19, 2009 at 4:58 p.m. #251
Yes!: Adon, Ibuki, Dudley
Doesn't Matter: Cody, Dee Jay
Disgusting: Makoto, Guy, T Hawk
I'd rather have Yun and Yang, Q, Urien, and Oro than anyone that I didn't list as Yes!, but whatever, I'm not even sure this is really going to happen.
Posted by @253 on September 19, 2009 at 4:59 p.m. #252
Elena has a shoryuken styled kick move. Put some effort into posting.
To everyone assuming all characters will be the same as their previous versions please go back and play some of the other games. You can do things in 4 you could never do before and we lost some things too. Supers, specials, and normals change often enough to never be 100% sure the character will be the same. Juggling also changes a great deal with new mechanics Alpha, SF3, CvS2, and HDR have very different properties than each other and the original versions of SF2.
Also you are obviously allowed to like whoever you want, but an exciting game often comes with variety. Having clones brings a lot of complaining (see the shotos). "Clones" often do have different playstyles due to small differences, but most people still would rather see a lot of different playstyles because of very unique move sets. For example (the spot most people will hate me for) I love Hugo, but honestly think he wouldn't be able to keep up with Zangief (who he is similar to). Hugo currently lacks anything like a Lariat and his fire ball destroying clap does not gain ground (keep in mind I just said things can and do change). His running punch is very vunerable, and his air grab was often beat my light attacks (things can change like I said). Without some new tools or big changes he would have a very rough time in SF4. Hugo is proof enough that similar characters are a challenge to implement without being voided by another, and characters can't always stay the same. So please stop flooding this site with posts about juggling ruining the next SF4 or how Capcom should add another character who has an extremely similar moveset and playstyle to another character. Nobody learns anything with that.
Posted by Yang's hair on September 19, 2009 at 5 p.m. #253
He works fine in the game, Rekka 123 like Fei.
Real dive kick and Kung-Fu, not Rufus joke wanna be sh*t.
Palm fist special attack as anti air, yes please.
Rolling kick to go under fireball spam, yes please.
Yun won't work without changing him to like CvS2 weakness, which won't be fun to see, unless you really hated him in SF3.
Posted by Graphi on September 19, 2009 at 5:07 p.m. #254
@ #259: I believe I wrote dragon PUNCH. Not kick. Please put some effort into reading.
Posted by CUTTYB87 on September 19, 2009 at 5:23 p.m. #255
what if they add the parry along with the FA so by this the parry can block all attacks execpt for the level 3 charge of a FA
so this would balance the game a little bit and help players beat turtle characters that only hard punch and kick
Posted by CUTTYB87 on September 19, 2009 at 5:36 p.m. #256
And custom combos and Finishing moves and a barrel roll
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Boxer ≠ Dudley on September 19, 2009 at 6:09 p.m. #257
Saying that Dudley is redundant because we have another boxer is like saying Makoto is redundant because we have other characters wearing a gi.
Posted by Seer on September 19, 2009 at 6:30 p.m. #258
No need to argue about which character should be included or not. In Street Fighter 4 Dash 2 Alpha 1, we'll have 70 characters to choose from. Just wait.
Posted by Smexy Millz on September 19, 2009 at 6:32 p.m. #259
team battle mode so i can use ibuki, sakura and blanka :D make it like cvs2
Posted by Sektah83 on September 19, 2009 at 6:35 p.m. #260
Capcom if your reading this here's a heads up hopefully this is downloadable content which does not excced 40 bucks the most cause my ass is not dropping another 65 bucks
Posted by cuttyb87 on September 19, 2009 at 8:02 p.m. #261
custom combos would be bad for this kind of game and I never said that
I want to parry alot so I can beat those weak sagats and exploited matches
Posted by rede on September 19, 2009 at 10:06 p.m. #262
Most likely not going to happen but what I would love to see plus what is already rumored in the article is:
Charlie!!!
Custom color mode (like CvS2)
Story mode to take on the level of detail that the alpha serious did. (You know related character fight, rival fight, and multiple levels of boss fight)
Boss battles to have that boss battle feel that CvS2 had. (you know over the top dramatic entrance.)
AND STAGES AND MUSIC FOR EACH CHARACTER AND SECRET STAGES
I would love to see the grass plains stage that was in alpha 2 come back.
Posted by rede on September 19, 2009 at 10:11 p.m. #263
Oh and special character intros (like when ryu fights sagat or ken in alpha series) that would give the game that little bit of replay value for casual players added with the list above.
Posted by cuttyb87 on September 20, 2009 at 12:39 a.m. #264
@ rede I like he ideas of special intros it would make the game more epic like alpha was I wish they made the game with the idea of street fighter alpha in their mind that would be great
and when is the re-release of Alpha coming to the PSN?
Posted by rede on September 20, 2009 at 1:32 a.m. #265
@cuttyb87 I'm not sure about the release, it can't be long I heard about it but didn't pay very much attention to it considering I don't have a PS3. I really miss the little touches in street fighter 4 that older games in this series had. I guess after reading what I posted before I basically I just wish that capcom would put a lot more attention to detail as far as the presentation and trying to amuse the player into the world of street fighter and the characters story-line.
Posted by rede on September 20, 2009 at 1:42 a.m. #266
MY ONE COMPLAINT AND THINK WAS A COMPLETE F UP BY CAPCOM IS CAMMY'S DIVE KICK. IT'S NOT AN OVERHEAD MOVE!!!!!!!!! WHAT!!!!????? I KNOW THIS MAY BE OFF TOPIC AND OLD OLD NEWS BUT I JUST ASUMED THEY WOULD FIX IT IN A UPDATE. A little complaint is that she can't dive kick out of her command grab move ( cant think of the name right now) but Gouken and Akuma can and they are over head moves! LAME!!!
Posted by purphaze on September 20, 2009 at 7:39 a.m. #267
i always found ti funny that some of the best characters in the game have overhead attacks but the ones that can clearly benefit from having this the weaker characters dont get one...everyone should have 1 overhead attack to add the the mix up possibility
Posted by 3sfan on September 20, 2009 at 8:21 a.m. #268
pfff makoto and dudley with stupid lightpunch links thats just what it needs. Leave 3S untainted please, and destroy SF4 and its cancerous game style while you're at it.
Posted by ian on September 20, 2009 at 8:26 a.m. #269
why do people assume that capcom actually try to "balance" every character to be equally viable? if they intend for a character to be be strong it will.. if they don't then it wont.. as simple as that. they INTENTIONALLY crippled the console characters while giving the fat tard Rufus insane priority/recovery moves and 101 ways to land his ultra.. why? to give the "new guy" a chance to be popular..
Posted by purphaze on September 20, 2009 at 8:50 a.m. #270
i dont except them to make every cahracter viable.. but just dont make Dan type characters that have no good match ups.. theres no point in that.. i guess its cuzpeople think picking dan is funny well to me its not funy and frustrating that he is in the game when so many other characters could have been in here!
Posted by the frog-splash lives on September 20, 2009 at 8:53 a.m. #271
agree with ppl wanting arika designed characters in here.seriously though street fighter needs good new characters i mean why not have a shaolin monk with a good mix up game or characters that are inspired and at least useful.look at fuerte with his poor damage and weak health once that momentum stops stick your head between your legs and kiss your a$$ goodbye. i find it funny that so many people are clamouring for old faves and basically hating on the majority of the roster in sf4 which i think is quite good except for lack of deejay and guy with major downside being sagat and the inundation of shotos. i'm cool with everyone else though.
Posted by rede on September 20, 2009 at 10:06 a.m. #272
I can deal with the more noticeable differences between the characters like damage and hp, but when you are totally faithful to other characters move set and even add to it and then cripple another one, especially after hearing that their trying to make it play like SSF2T it makes you jump in expecting one thing and then getting another. Now with that said I'm going to be selfish now, if I jump in the air and do a move that comes down on top of your ass IT SHOULD BE AN OVER HEAD. This has been a fundamental fact in street fighter forever. I expect the KOF series to do some garbage twist in the matrix like this in their game but SF...nonono.
Posted by IrPanda on September 20, 2009 at 11:45 a.m. #273
Cammies dive kick is to fast to be made an over head it would make her a bit broken.
Posted by rede on September 20, 2009 at 12:39 p.m. #274
@IrPanda I guess that is understandable, then at least Cammy should have the opinion to dive kick out of her hooligan combination and make that an overhead. Because that move is broken without it. But this is me being a little brat picking up Cammy as a character to play with.
Posted by purphaze on September 20, 2009 at 12:42 p.m. #275
how broken would cammy really be... i doubt we will c people dominating the world with cammy cuz her dive kick is an overhead.
Posted by IrPanda on September 20, 2009 at 12:51 p.m. #276
@rede
or just a normal over head similar to Fei longs.
@purphaze
Ex dive kick can be done pretty fast if it was an over head it would be deadly in my book, plus you can combo after it hits.
Posted by Madness on September 20, 2009 at 1:45 p.m. #277
-Cammy's divekick should be like everyone elses, along with an easier motion and you can perform it front and back. Give her a normal overhead and her anti-fireball moves should be a hell of alot faster on startup
-Rose needs an overhead and more combos, as well as making her reflect easier to use so she can challenge sagat and ryu.Soul throw needs to be better obviously
-Guile basically needs to be alot more like the way he was in any other game.Up his health to 1050 and blankas to 1100
-Dan needs faster pokes and advantages other shotos have
-Gouken needs faster pokes probably
-Sagat needs to do less damage, and sagat and ryus ultra can also do less damage since they are so easy to connect,possibly rufus too
-Gen needs abit of a damage boost,not sure about the specifics
-Dhalsim needs to be able to attack out of his teleport right away instead of a weird motion
-Hondas handslap should be moving normally
-Feilong needs less startup on chickenwing and maybe more range on command throw
-Ken needs abit less recovery on fireball
-Vega needs to be more like previous versions, easier ultra to connect and more rewarding
-Blankas ball should NOT be punishable when it hits...wtf. Overhead needs to be faster
-Auto-correct either removed or given to characters sorely needing them. Easy motions either removed or given to characters needing them
-Links normalized
That's all i can think of for balance changes
Posted by purphaze on September 20, 2009 at 2:27 p.m. #278
give an option to turn the shortcuts on or off... i dont care that they are in but i want them off.. when i played alpha i was struggling to do shoryukens cuz im used to the shortcuts! its hurting me more then its helping me give me the option capcom pleaase!
Posted by Shadow Hado on September 20, 2009 at 3:16 p.m. #279
Personally I think that they should add multiple supers/ultras, or do like 3S and let you choose before the match.
Posted by koby on September 20, 2009 at 3:31 p.m. #280
cammy is fine.. Just fix poor claw! how many pros use claw? exactly.. either give him a boost or remove him all together! he is just waste of space at his current state.
Posted by jeff on September 20, 2009 at 4:03 p.m. #281
I don't like all of this. SFIV was supposed to be based on SFII and now they're trying to turn it into another Capcom Universe game. It should be kept authentic and stay with the SFII roster. Why not just keep the existing characters, give them more moves, fix the issues with SFIV such as over-powered characters, moves that sometimes don't work and remove those stupid shortcuts.
Posted by @Madness on September 20, 2009 at 4:07 p.m. #282
Guile and Blanka do not need extra health. That is completely retarded. Everything else you suggested is agreeable, though.
Posted by Cuttyb87 on September 20, 2009 at 4:19 p.m. #283
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Posted by SureYouCan! on September 20, 2009 at 4:47 p.m. #284
Rufus dive kick should be an overhead.
Posted by Madness on September 20, 2009 at 5:21 p.m. #285
@282
How is that retarded? I only said that to be consistant with the size rule they apparently use for EVERYONE ELSE. Zangief is huge and muscular so he has the most health, rufus is huge so he has second most, sagat balrog abel and honda are huge but not the biggest, and guile and blanka are bigger than average(ryu ken feilong dan. Blanka is bigger than guile, about as big as abel and balrog, but guile is easily bigger than ryu,ken etc. That's why it doesn't make sense for chun-li to be where zangief is..that's stupid.
So why doesn't that make sense? Cammy isn't "fine", why shouldn't all the character that need it be de-nerfed or buffed? That way noone is exploitable and everyone can be a real threat.
Posted by Bubbles on September 20, 2009 at 5:44 p.m. #286
matoko would make this game be much less of a turtle fest (unless they make her command grab 4+ frames to execute.)
Posted by rede on September 20, 2009 at 6:11 p.m. #287
@sureyoucan the day they make rufus dive kick an overhead is the day I throw away street fighter or play with that fat broken ugly version of Yun.
Posted by rede on September 20, 2009 at 6:18 p.m. #288
Really why did they make this ugly ugly fing character for? What is wrong with Yun? They are basically the same so why not just put Yun in? Seriously is capcom trying to tell kids it's ok to be a fat ugly baby footed American? Rufus annoys me a lot.
Posted by baz on September 20, 2009 at 7:14 p.m. #289
Ok
1. get rid of Sagat's kara knee
2. nerf zangiefs lariat
3. make vega and sakura better somehow
4. get rid of fei long glitch and add a move or two, make him play a lil more like karin to satisfy fans cuz they where very similar anyway.
5. make guile slightly better
6. make balrog ever so slightly weaker
7. speed up ken and gen
8. slightly make blanka and honda better (slightly) add moves
9. make goukens parry slightly more usefull, or at least the ex parry
10. make seths teleport more like akumas
11. add at least 2 moves to everybody, don't take moves away
12. put a create your own costume like in the darkstalker for ps2
13. somehow make online play reject rage quitters or bust on them harder, and add a good lobby.
14. add and alter existing backrounds and make them even more interactive like old sf2, exploding barrels and statues. Someone walks out from the backround audience and kicks the loser in the head.
15. Bring back puking and eyes popping out exageratinglly from old sf2, and if characters get hit in the stomach a lot they poop themselves. If people get jabbed or shorted a lot they should all have an original animation as a reaction.
16. Keep updating the game like in sf hd so if there is unfair moves they can get nerfed right away and weak characters can get additions. Use the hardcore players as the final QC inspection to make the best street fighter game ever.
17. Don't have an arcade release unless you plan to give it full international support.
Posted by baz on September 20, 2009 at 7:15 p.m. #290
18. make the mexican wrestler slightly better and take away infinite combo.
19. speed up dahlsim slightly
20. make abel more like alex to satisfy 3rd strike fans when you add moves
21. Combine parrys and alpa counters to make a more fair focus attack like move for everyone to give the game more distinction and satisfy 3rd strike fans without making the game unfair or players moves completely useless. Like parrys with a limit of taking super so you can't constantly do it and make moves useless, if everyone had one unparryable move each(not just throws)-that was a good idea with focus attacks.
22. Speed up the game slightly
23. Do something with c. viper, I don't know, she plays so weird and estranges new players. but I know she is good.
24. If you add 10 characters they should be these
[ALPA]
Cody- make him more interactive with background like rip a pipe out the wall and kick dirt in your face.
Haggar- make him like play like hugo( satisfy 3rd strike fans) and final fight version, make him a tall wide character. make him background interactive as well.
Guy- give him different moves so he can be different from mexican wrestler, like give him moves like ibuki
Rolento- Make him awesome like he was in alpha 2
[SF2]
Deejay- would be cool, make dj a lil like oro and remy, give him a mix of there moves to make him less like guile, and to satisfy fans who miss these characters. make him the ryu to guile being like ken.
T.Hawk- faster crazier zangief with an already original play style. probably nerf him down from hd. make him the ken to zangiefs ryu.
[SF3]
Urien- too many people like him, just get him in there and make him fair as possible.
Dudley- Young version, Make him faster and more offensive than boxer but weaker, make him the ken to boxers ryu.
Ibuki- Make her even more small,insane, fast, and weak than in 3rd strike, like she's this 5 year old insane ninja girl, hillarious.
Necro- Young necro but mix his moves with 12 so he can be crazier and more usefull. satisfy 12 fans.
+ one all new secret character that plays different than all the rest.
Posted by Mike Haggar on September 20, 2009 at 7:42 p.m. #291
Mike Haggar, please!!!
Posted by cuttyb87 on September 20, 2009 at 8:28 p.m. #292
instead of trying to make characteras like someone else they should just give them to us
Posted by IrPanda on September 20, 2009 at 10:26 p.m. #293
@baz
You sound like you want to change the game into older versions of its self. Which is the wrong way i believe. Bring back old thing would make if feel as something you already played some 10 years ago and not like sf4....
Posted by kopuy on September 21, 2009 at 1:22 a.m. #294
@#281
umm, name me one "street fighter" game that is not based on SF2? well, aside from sf1 of course.. as a matter of fact, almost ALL 2d fighters are based on sf2 in someway..
there is nothing wrong with expanding sf4 cast.. as long as they don't add weird characters who does not fit the game..
Posted by IrPanda on September 21, 2009 at 1:56 a.m. #295
@294
I think you are dumb or just intentionally ignorant, its obvious what he means unless of course you don;t follow street fighter.
Posted by kopuy on September 21, 2009 at 3:18 a.m. #296
#295
no its not obvious. 4 already include 4 NEW characters so whats wrong with having a few more from 3? they included alpha characters which precedes sf2 chronologically. sf3 occurs right after 2.. its not difficult to merge them in sf2.. remember I'm not talking about character from other capcom franchises or even from say the ex series. sf3 characters should fit fine.
Posted by kopuy on September 21, 2009 at 4:52 a.m. #297
sorry.. some typos
"sf3 occurs right after *sf4.. its not difficult to merge them in *sf4"
Posted by GRRR on September 21, 2009 at 6:07 a.m. #298
@ baz AKA # 290.
Dude, you're whack. Why the hell are you trying to make characters like Ken to Ryu instead of actually trying to get them balanced.
A teenage Dudley? What the hell dude. Dudley was born in 1959 while Balrog was born in 1968. I don't care about SF's stupid story but at least get your facts straight. If anyone's gonna be teenage it would be Balrog, which he obviously isn't. Why do you wanna nerf him to be a lesser boxer when he can just be as great as Balrog with a different set of movelists (Balrog can't do uppercuts can he?)
Ibuki. She's born in 1980 while Cammy is born in 1974. There shouldn't be much of a difference since Cammy already has big ass boobs, Ibuki should be more developed by then.
T. Hawk and Dee Jay. WTF. You think Dee Jay = Guile? Stop saying "I want him to be like Ken's Ryu." Instead, you should ask them to be balanced into the game.
Lastly, Guy. You don't want him to be a Mexican wrestler but instead, you want him to be a ninja. OH WAIT, HE ALREADY IS A NINJA!
Dude, seriously,fail -_-"
Posted by SuPeR on September 21, 2009 at 6:41 a.m. #299
why is capcom ignoring charge characters? in SF2, more than half the cast were charge characters! the last one they came up with is deejay i believe.. we need a completely NEW charge character.
Posted by Chris Vega on September 21, 2009 at 6:46 a.m. #300
@ 281
Could not have said it better myself bro.....
Posted by Diyomaro on September 21, 2009 at 7:51 a.m. #301
I agree. We need more charge characters. I'm angry that not a single new character was a charge character.
Posted by HHS on September 21, 2009 at 8:20 a.m. #302
Yeah, we need a new charge character! and when i say new i mean really "out of the box" implementation and play style. come to think of it.. I believe charge characters are inherently harder to design and balance.. that's why we don't see many of them.
Posted by new ryu on September 21, 2009 at 12:51 p.m. #303
They need a new ryu but stronger moves that takes half your blood after 1 shoryuken! 2 hit wonder
Posted by rede on September 21, 2009 at 1 p.m. #304
I want to make love to Rufus
Posted by SureYouCan! on September 21, 2009 at 4:11 p.m. #305
Cammy's TK cannon strike should be an overhead as well.
Posted by TP4A on September 21, 2009 at 4:15 p.m. #306
@299
What about Gen (Crane), Q, Remy…?
Posted by :P on September 21, 2009 at 6:18 p.m. #307
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ9FTo...
TBH.
Posted by IrPanda on September 21, 2009 at 10:58 p.m. #308
That looks great they should put charlie in the game lol
Also give rog this outfit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts0MQE...
Posted by Madness on September 22, 2009 at 5:35 a.m. #309
I'd like to see that hitbox option in practice mode
Posted by baz on September 22, 2009 at 10:45 a.m. #310
@ 298 it doesn't seem like you fully read or understood my post,
When I say ken to ryu I mean, "the characters already have similar moves, so, make one faster and weaker, and the other slower and stronger." Guile and Deejay are similar so make Guile the fast one and Deejay slow cuz he was already kind of slow anyway, " thereby balancing them and making them fair".
I said make Balrog "slightly weaker", he is top tier, you don't have to get that butt hurt about it.
You got me on the exact dates the characters where born, I like the SF story and I thought there was a 10 year difference between sf2 and sf3, and thats fine that you corrected me.
I was saying guy needs to be " more different than mexican wrestler" because I think they play very similar. I thought some extra ninja moves like disapearing and hitting you(like ibuki) could differentiate him from El Fuerte.
You made like one or 2 alright points and thats fine but I do not appreciate your attitude.
If you think I am so "whack" and " fail", How about you come play me SF4 on 360, my gamer tag is "Im tired today" you can message me too. Or you can put your info on here and a time/date/place. I can play you arcade, pc, or PS3 too.
Are you gonna pu$$ out?
And if any of you other event hub regulars would like to play, I'm down, I've already played a bunch of Shoryukens Southern CA members and I don't think I've played anyone from here.
Have any of you guys played using GamerSaloon.com, so you can play for money, they have SF4 on there and I only want to play for money with people who have good bandwith. I don't do that slow $hit.
Posted by IrPanda on September 22, 2009 at 11:28 a.m. #311
@baz ken is already a lot faster than ryu imo. i'm pandaofthebamboo on psn fight me and get ready to loss ahahahha
Posted by Madness on September 22, 2009 at 3:11 p.m. #312
Balrog doesnt need any nerfs, unless you count not being able o punish blanka ball on hit as a nerf.
Posted by J-King on September 22, 2009 at 3:35 p.m. #313
[When I say ken to ryu I mean, "the characters already have similar moves, so, make one faster and weaker, and the other slower and stronger." Guile and Deejay are similar so make Guile the fast one and Deejay slow cuz he was already kind of slow anyway, " thereby balancing them and making them fair".]
Make Dee Jay slow? Are you mad, he's a kickboxer and why would a kickboxer like him need to be slow all of a sudden. He needs more agility if anything, and Guile's an Airforce Major, if anything he's powerful but slow-ish in movement etc. Get it right will ya!
That balancing if anything! - J-King. For SF4 Guile needs to be buffed up anyhow. Flashkick fixed so you can't kick him out of it, and fix the super-flashkick so it isn't just suddenly stopped on its start-up (all supers need their frames of invincibility back?), his Ultra needs to be way more powerful and inflicts far more 'chip-damage'. Wouldn't mind if they also gave him his SF2:WW/CE CPU "Double Sonic Boom" glitch back and made players able to use it this time round. Increased range of normal moves, make his damage output better, speed value increased slightly though (from "4"? to "7"), make his 'Focus Attack' more effective (its sorely lacking somewhat), Defence Value an "8", Power Value an "8" (why is it at '4'?) and his *dizzy/stun value* much higher (it shouldn't be lower than Ryu's, Ken's, Cammy's and Chun Li's, WTF) could be equal to Abel's etc.
If any possible decent SF4 Dash characters are added. I for one, hope Charlie is in the mix. For a number of reasons besides the Guile/Abel issue and storyarc business. Having Charlie in there would be interesting. Another Guile 'type' character, but hopefully Capcom would change him up slightly so he wouldn't be a blatant Guile-clone. Similar moves, tactics and strategy, but with various differences Charlie could stand out from Guile and be a player of sorts. Just give him a different set of regular grabs/throws from Guile (perhaps a Frankensteiner or Armbar takedown etc.) A double hit regular Flashkick (like Guile's SF2:CE version). A Sonic Boom that Shoto's (Ryu, Ken and Akuma) can't Cyclone/Hurricane kick through (similar to Guile's SF2:WW Sonic Boom) only exception would be Gouken who's Cyclone/Hurricane kick goes straight up etc. Thus Charlie's 'Sonic Boom' move would be stronger's than Guile's Sonic! And Shoto's would have to fight Charlie a little differently than Guile, by not relying on the Cyclone/Hurricane kick to maneuver through the Sonic Booms all the time etc. Only by Ex-Cyclone/Hurricane Kick could you advance through Charlie's boom etc. A Sonic Boom based; Super/Ultra Combo and various changes from Guile to alter their games enough to make'em similar, yet unique from one another! Beyond that. Everyone's got their own wants from the next SF4 iteration, but i hope some of my wishes for the various fixes needed to make SF4 better, come true. Additional character wishes? Boy where does one start?
J-King.
Posted by The Question on September 22, 2009 at 6:16 p.m. #314
How can you say make "so and so" like "so and so" to please fans? Can you think of a time in any game when a characters move-set was radically changed and fans loved it? If you want Remy (ytf would you want that) then ask for Remy, don't say make DJ into remy to please fans.
Every character has a fanbase so if you go round mucking people up like that you're just going to piss EVERYONE off.
Please can we all stop making list of things we want to change. Not to be rude but who here is competent enough to make suggestions in an area so technically obscure and obtuse that companies employ loads of people to test and make sure is right (and still get it wrong)?
Posted by baz on September 22, 2009 at 7:18 p.m. #315
@313 ok, thats a good idea if you want Charlie as the opposing similar character to Guile even though they are extremely alike in my opinion, remember though, Guile has a low stun meter so people can't cheap turtle with him.
Come on, you don't think deejays charge kick move and sonic boom are slower than guiles in HD, he can't even follow his boom like Guile can, so I thought he could pretty much stay the way he was.
@313 and 314 When I say give moves of one character to another, I mean one or two of them, not conglomerate everymove. If Deejays ex moves where like Remys dual disk throws and his ultra was like Remy's super art 1, people who dug him in 3rd strike would at least have an option "if he wasn't there"
@314 ? [Please can we all stop making list of things we want to change. Not to be rude but who here is competent enough to make suggestions in an area so technically obscure and obtuse that companies employ loads of people to test and make sure is right] ummmmm Guess what, there was this, ummmmm, what do you call it......... poll....on capcom unity...........where fans got to vote for their favorite character?.............and they got added in the home version????? They seem kind of ....... ummmmmmm.............how you say............."COMPETENT!"
Oh........ and........ there was this game............what was it called............STREET FIGHTER HD..................and they ........hummmmm........... let fans beta test it...............ummm ....... and give their opinions about bugs and imbalances................ummmmm....
...you know..... that sounds kind of "COMPETENT!" to me....
Posted by baz on September 22, 2009 at 7:28 p.m. #316
(@ IRPANDA) (baz ken is already a lot faster than ryu imo. i'm pandaofthebamboo on psn fight me and get ready to loss ahahahha)
:)
What time do you want to play?, pacific time and what day? and I'll hit my buddy George up who has ps3 with joysticks, I'll have him add you here soon, he's got a mean chun li, I might have to play you late, like after midnight cuz he works late, I'll keep checking this post so lets hope we don't have a " back down".
Posted by J-King on September 22, 2009 at 7:30 p.m. #317
[Can you think of a time in any game when a characters move-set was radically changed and fans loved it?]
Yeah several characters in King Of Fighters 12 (KOF-12).
Some liked the changes while others didn't, but figured i'd mention it since you asked!
[Every character has a fanbase so if you go round mucking people up like that you're just going to piss EVERYONE off.]
They already did all that, it was called Street Fighter 4 (2009) the first released game version of the SF4 series, lol!
Look, every game had this i.e fan requests for decent changes, move modifications etc. Personally if games didn't have all the debating over the necessary changes to the game's system/engine and character balances etc, then they don't have much of a fanbase then! Thats the plain facts of the matter, nuff said.
SF4 hardly the first game to have fans on forums making valid posts over changes they'd like to see to their favorite characters and the title itself. Its like when a popular big film's out, fans will then debate the sequel endlessly with things they'd like to see happen until its out years later.
SF4 Dash is around the corner, can't see why this is any different. Thing that'll please me is, how many fans will get it right and wrong with their theories, in terms of the changes/balances that'll be made to the final product when its finally released!
J-King
Posted by baz on September 22, 2009 at 7:35 p.m. #318
@ 314, [Can you think of a time in any game when a characters move-set was radically changed and fans loved it?]
ummm.....theres this really popular character.........lots of people like.............umm........so popular..................they really mess with her moves.......... like in every SF game....... Seems like she only keeps one move that ever totally stays the same............... ummm.......................................ummm they even made a movie about just her.......she's that popular......and people don't care when they make her suck.... tons of people always play her.......hummmmmm
................hummmmm.........hummmm
Posted by J-King on September 22, 2009 at 8:10 p.m. #319
[@313 ok, thats a good idea if you want Charlie as the opposing similar character to Guile even though they are extremely alike in my opinion, remember though, Guile has a low stun meter so people can't cheap turtle with him.
Come on, you don't think deejays charge kick move and sonic boom are slower than guiles in HD, he can't even follow his boom like Guile can, so I thought he could pretty much stay the way he was.]
baz, first off. This just proves why "SSF2T:HDR" is crap i.e. *pants*. Its such pants that if it were available to buy in game shops rather than online from PSN, XBL. The Game cover would come with a "zipper" on the front, thats how much *pants* HDR is etc!
I wouldn't know about HDR cos..... I'm a classic ST gameplayer. i.e. the original, not the watered down cos newbies couldn't play the original harder, faster version. And in ST Dee Jay was "The Don" and in the top 5 tiers list. HDR is pants and real SF players, don't go anywhere near it, like its 'Kryptonite' or something. Even Japanese players don't play it and don't go online like its a big deal or something and don't 'main' it at all. Probably cos the Japanese ST players, are real smart and don't want to get all *Buss Up* on their own elite game, which they dominated for 15 plus years overall. Too many stupid changes were made to it. I'd go into how they made Akuma so damn weak and so watered down, but i dare not, cos it speaks volumes itself how dumbed down they made him in HDR.
ST rules not HDR, it came along way too late. Play ST and Hyper SS2T instead. Forget the lack of HD graphics, playability counts far moreso than damn colourful looks.
HDR is for kids that didn't get into classic SuperTurbo when it was out back in the good old heydays, nuff said.
HDR = New Coke. ST = Classic Coke!
Besides SF4 Dash, only thing Capcom have to do to please alot of SF fans is to bring out a "Hyper Street Fighter 3rd Strike" akin to 'Hyper SS2T', with the option to play all previous versions of the SF3 characters plus the boss; Gill!
J-King.
Posted by baz on September 22, 2009 at 8:55 p.m. #320
@ J King
I disagree with you, but I respect your opinion and your right to say it.
Oh by the way, I here tell that Daigo guy said he liked HD in an interview and I hear he's a popular JAP player, I think he even said he wanted it to come out in JAPAN because it wasn't there, " I could be wrong" ;) "kryptonite didn't stop him"
I would have gotten more into HD if SF4 wasn't out like so soon after
Posted by J-King on September 22, 2009 at 9:31 p.m. #321
Daigo makes a name for himself in North America and somewhat in Japan.
But i hear he gets beat quite a bit in Japan by other gamers there. Just because he might want to play HDR doesn't mean Daigo's likes & dislikes speaks volumes for the rest of the Japanese fighting gameplayers/community there.
I'm sure you didn't mean it like that baz, but i thought i'd make that point quite clear though.
Had a friend that came back from Japan recently. And he took footage of several Japanese arcades that had a ST tournaments going on. The majority of arcades was full, and one arcade had about 200 plus cabinates with 'Classic' ST, not HDR but classic Super Turbo, i.e. the game that made plenty Japanese arcades nearly countless $Yen over these 15/16 plus years!
They also play all the lesser used characters most westerners take for granted (T-Hawk, E.Honda, Cammy, Vega, Dhalsim) to elite high-levels etc.
Sorry, but i'd have a hard time believing if the Japanese ST players truly wanted HDR anytime soon. ST is alot faster than HDR, harder to play too, but quite rewarding once you get into it. Hell ST in Japan has always had '4 speed' settings whereas in North America and Europe it had only 3? HDR isn't even NM/European speed 3 fast?
Maybe Daigo likes the look of the game (graphically its alright) but playability wise HDR suffered so badly. Ain't calling you a liar baz, but Japanese players love their speed in fighting games (as do some westerners!), can't see the majority of Japanese ST players wanting to follow Daigo's apparent HDR curiousity choices and footsteps in that direction.
Daigo or no Daigo, most Japanese players don't rate HDR at all. And have rinsed out 'ST' to this very day!
Now lets please get back to the SF4 Dash rumors! And the Tokyo Game Show's a day away! We'll soon know more about SF4 or not, won't we?
J-King
Posted by IrPanda on September 22, 2009 at 9:53 p.m. #322
@baz
I'm usually online after 11
Posted by Madness on September 22, 2009 at 9:56 p.m. #323
I like my balance changes....everyone who mattered would be happy. And by that, i mean people who weren't overjoyed that they could abuse another characters weaknesses(low block on cammy,repeated crossup on guile)
We'll probably see alot of the changes i want anyways, they are pretty well known
Posted by baz on September 22, 2009 at 11:55 p.m. #324
@ irpanda I hit my friend up so sometime this week or next I will play you
@ J-King and "EVERYONE" - While we're on the subject of japan, Where is this secret arcade dojo where the best SF players go in Japan. It might be some rumor but I want to go to JApan in a year or 2, This is definetely where I want to go.
I plan on visiting the Fanuc Robot Factory, Tokyo night life, My friend who moved there and this Dojo if it's real or just a rumor.
Posted by Cuttyb87 on September 23, 2009 at 2:17 a.m. #325
What if they just add a bunch of new characters and don't change anything? make the game look like mVC2? lol
and if the update is going to be announced what aboutmoves are characters going to get new moves or what?
I want RYU slide kick I want to be able to KAra into the raging demon I want a level where vega can jump off the wall
I want to make fei long good lol
Posted by J-King on September 23, 2009 at 7:23 a.m. #326
Most of my arcade going friends have been, but i haven't. But like you baz, i want to go to Japan myself too in a year or too.
Heh, i'll take in the country and culture somewhat (can't go simply to play SF games etc?) but yeah, in the future, no set date yet however though. Far as secret arcades? Hmmm, think like alot of arcades, the elite players go to a particular one is all and group together after a while and turn their gameplaying friendships into a community of gamers at that arcade etc. Nothing about any secret society Skulls/Stonemason's SF arcade players business, with secret handshakes and passwords etc, lol.
Most go and spend a while there (rent a flat/hotel) and then play fighting games, see people, eat out etc. Some even pick up the Japanese language after a few regular visits or long stay over, and come back with Japanese girlfriend(s) or get married (true enough!) Then return home with various stories of their visits and gameplaying in Japan. But i'm sure most like to either exaggerate stuff or didn't really do much, so i'll like to go myself and see what Japan's like firsthand for myself etc.
You're not alone in wanting to go eventually my man!
Tell you what, i'll even ask a friend or to and reply back here in a week or so, if they actually remember any particular arcade locations in Tokyo?! And gamers names etc. How's that sound?
But i'll see, gotta do some studying and part-time work though. Maybe in a year or two.
Laters
J-King.
Posted by baz on September 23, 2009 at 12:27 p.m. #327
thanks, it must just be a rumor, but if they are more into it than U.S. there could be something real fancy over there, Like they serve you cocktails while you play or something.
Posted by bossman on September 23, 2009 at 12:49 p.m. #328
my thoughts on sf4
Ono said he wanted to make sf4 like a game of chess... i believe he did...
the game chess is very simple and basic to the point where anyone can learn to play... but there is a lot of depth in the game... this is much like sf4
you think no air block or parry??? all you have to do is poke and spam... well this is sort of like using your pawns then when you find an opening... you line up your big moves... in my eyes thats just like chess
i feel the balance of the chars represent chess pieces quite well...
top tier (ryu, sagat etc) is the queen i guess she can do more or less everything
mid tier (ken, guile etc) is like rook and bishops
low tier (sakura, dan etc) is like the pawns
if you even look at the motion of play compared to chess moves it slightly resembles each other eg.
rook moves up and down nice and easy to use... could call that shoto chars
bishops move diagonal bit different but easy still... could call that charge chars
knights move different but very usefull... could call that gief play or sims... even viper
i bring this up because a few people say sf4 is dead out... lol i dont think it is... maybe people should give it a little time and start learning the mechanics of the game and maybe they might start to understand and enjoy the game
oh and 1 other thing... i think having unbalanced chars are key to fighting games... but saying that i do believe sagat is a bit strong in strength maybe nerf his strength down a bit... a part from that... all chars like ryu rufus viper bison balrog are more or less in the same tier... then theres mid tier... and so on you need this in fighting games to keep the game fun
this is my opinion anyone agree?????... no... lol... ok
Posted by cuttyb87 on September 23, 2009 at 2:02 p.m. #329
@ bossman maybe cuz I main RYU I think ur on to something u need to get a opinion from a low tier character with big play like a Gen , Vega, and Rose cuz I 50/50 with u good ideas tho
and how would u make it better? I play stf3 now but four is calling my name like to see other people styles its interesting?
Posted by JerseyFame on September 23, 2009 at 3:26 p.m. #330
Fix Guile and i dont care who you add. Ill be satisfied with my purchase and I will recommend it to all of my constituents.
Fixes:
#1. Fix his dizzy and stamina
#2. Fix his damage output
#3. Repair his flash kick
#4. Make D+F RH a viable move in the heat of actual combat and repair its hitbox
#5. Fix his ultra, make it actually useful and average its damage output instead of making it hit sometime, make it always punish.
Guile is instantly Tier B or better. Where he belongs according to his history in all Capcom Games.
Sonic Hurricane > Flash Explosion.
Regardless of what the trolls say, the developers see the value of these improvements. They do not unbalance Guile. they just make him more difficult for spammers and "hide and seek" players to handle. They may actually have to fight to beat Guile. That would be interesting.
Posted by Madskii11z on September 23, 2009 at 4:09 p.m. #331
At target stores they're getting rid of the copies of stf4. They have them on clearance for $20. They're getting rid of them because a new version of the game is ready to come out really soon.
Posted by JerseyFame on September 23, 2009 at 4:29 p.m. #332
I'm completely obsessed with Guile because I can't get a girlfriend. Being a virgin is tough, so don't criticize me too much, guys.
Posted by SSJ DAN on September 23, 2009 at 5:46 p.m. #333
LOL@jerseyfame, man guile is just fine how he is, all of the characters are. People saying that sagat is too strong, well the dude is frickin slow. He needs the strength to make up for being super slow.
Posted by cuttyb87 on September 23, 2009 at 8:01 p.m. #334
@jerseyfame what system do u play on? I want to play guile give me advice lol
Posted by getsvaginaallthetime on September 23, 2009 at 10:20 p.m. #335
SSJ DAN is probably the biggest scrub ever.
Posted by Deejay fan on September 23, 2009 at 10:21 p.m. #336
I wish dee jay were in the game.
Posted by bossman on September 24, 2009 at 2:29 a.m. #337
@cuttyb87
i think sf4 is pretty close to perfect baring online lag... only thing i would change i guess is too add more chars, bonus stages etc rival matches maybe some sort of tournament layout play for home vs, custom outfits like svc2, more the little things i guess, hit box training mode.
gen is like bishop - different but use him right and he is very dangerous
vega - at first he seems pretty crap and to be honest he sort of is... but use him right and he can be pretty good... but i would say his tools are pretty limited compared to high tier chars
if you look at playing the game with any char and then bring the chess theory in to play...
for example ryu
pawn moves are his normal moves pokes etc
pawn killing moves are like his throws
bishop moves like his fireball - in a game of chess i use my bishops pretty regualar sort of like fireballs
knight moves like hurrican kick - i use my knight in sort of a same way a my hurrican kick... i think lol
rook is my dragon punch... etc
queen is your ultra
king is your life
all pieces represent some sort of energy????
i play chess just like sf... im pretty good... but my big brother will always beat me... lol to be honest he cant beat me at sf4 but you see my point na???... no... lol... ok
@SSJ DAN
sagat is slow but ive seen people use him to the point where he seems fast! im not that good with him but he has the tools to be S tier having a load of moves, confirm hits to ultra with focus cancel and without... and his strength is mad strong... overall i dont have problems beating him with ryu but thats me with my friends... looking at tournament results he seems like he is top in top tier but if capcom dont nerf him i wouldnt be to bothered
im happy with the balance of the chars... i main ryu and feel he is probably the best balanced char... growing up tho i always loved off ken no homo but now playing sf4 i felt ken was not for me and switched to ryu which worked beautifully.
im forever hearing people complain about guile... to be honest i think he is a very strong mid tier char... i wouldnt say to main him tho as his tool set is int that great... a lot of people say he is over propular compared to how he ranks in the tier charts but i would say that is the same for ken... he was more popular than ryu... but capcom didnt care for this and ken ended up mid tier
i think dee jay will be the better guile player if he is added... meaning guile players will have to probably switch to him, i doubt they will rebalance him but im not sure
one thing i wanted to know was how chars balancing was changed from the first sf3 to the last sf3????
i guess that would give us a heads up on sf4 dash balancing wise na... no... lol... ok
Posted by SSJ DAN on September 24, 2009 at 3:07 a.m. #338
@getsvaginaallthetime How am I the biggest scrub of all time? Your the one trying to convince us that you get vagina all the time when we know your dad be balls deep in your ass all the time son.
There's no reason to nerf guy's. If your having so much problems with certain guy's then maybe you just suck at the game and need to train better for whatever that character brings to the table. Seriously if you are getting beat by every sagat online cuz they are apparently unbeatable then you need to go into training mode and learn how to play the game.
Posted by bossman on September 24, 2009 at 3:42 a.m. #339
@SSJ DAN
i find ryu counters sagat very well with his pokes and speed... and overall i dont have problems fighting against sagat... but if you look at facts he ends up over powered... looking at tier lists and tournament tier list sagat ends up looking rather high on the charts... i've been told that capcom even said he is over powered so hearing that i would of thought if anyone is getting nerfed it would be him... but yes i agree with no one getting nerfed or boosted... this can only lead to people gettting upset... i tell you know if they nerfed ryu i would slap ono! well not really but yeh if sagat gets nerf it will ended up with people like yourself to be disapointed and boosting chars can lead to more problems... im more than happy for the game to be balanced as it is and just adding more chars couple high tier mid and low tier... but i find playing with mid tier chars probably the most fun!!!!
if every char was balanced it wouldnt be as much fun... you must remember it is very rare you play people on the same level maybe online champ mode but online competative sucks due to the lag play... so for online casuals the off balance chars work well... i got a group of friends that all play sf4 we tend to link up and play... not everyone is on the same level... so me playing john with my main would be unfair... so i use a mid tier char makes it balanced and more fun... but then i play viet and he is good so i have to go get ryu now we are balanced... make sense???
chars have to have groups of tiers... high tier... mid and low having a odd character in s tier... makes the game a bit grrrhhhh so if im playing someone on the same level as me and they use boxer then its balanced if i play someone not as good and they use say sagat... i would use a mid tier char to make it balanced and so on... make sense???? yeh... lol... brilliant
Posted by bossman on September 24, 2009 at 4:02 a.m. #340
@SSJ DAN
sagat is not unbeatable i cant remember the last time i got beaten by a sagat... actually a couple days ago... lol but he was good not sagat... i tend to have no problems with sagat but saying that i do have a good friend that mains him so i get good practice... and now i know sagat's game well i tend to have more problems with sims... i think its due to not having good practice against him
online play:
i got a friend that mains bison and he's G1 i got a friend that mains ryu and he's G1... and a sagat thats almost in G1 im on G2 barely lol with like 3000 points lol and i can beat all of them except for the G2 sagat i cant beat him online but when we play in person i dominate him... we agree its due to lag online... the bison and ryu i can beat online or in person. overall i hate playing champ mode... when i play competative i have the fear of lag play and it tends to put me off my game... even if its not lag... i have it in my mind so if something doesnt work like i dont trade hits or block i tend to blame the lag when really it could just be me but this tends to put me off my game... playing in person i cant blame no lag so there for i keep to my game and never slip off... the point im tryna make is playing sf4 online is different to playing sf4 in person just because you own people online you might not if they were there in front of you... god bless arcades and tournaments!
Posted by SSJ DAN on September 24, 2009 at 4:07 a.m. #341
I don't see why people get so bent out of shape about this game. Honestly since getting this game in feb Ive switched my main character five times. I originally started with ryu then sakura then sagat then dan and now Im using chun-li. Ive taken my share of beatings in the game from pretty much every character. I actually changed my main from sagat to dan because I felt sagat was too slow and I wasn't enjoying the game as much anymore as I was getting frustrated with losing cuz my guy was so slow. I then chose DAN. Why did I do this? 1. Dan is hilarious and fun in general. 2, Nobody seemed to use him. 3. Jumping taunting and super taunt. 4. He makes you work for wins. 5. You just feel good inside when you beat like a sagat/ryu/ken etc. I just go a stick this weekend and chose to change my main to chun-li as she has alot of moves and the stick i got is alot harder to use hadokens cuz it isn't round and has edges so its better for a charge character. Honestly Ive had over 1300+ fights online and only have like a 57% win average. I think that people should just stop whining about characters because any character can beat another one.
Posted by xtc on September 24, 2009 at 6:18 a.m. #342
Makoto! My one true love in life!
This would SO get me back in to SF4
Posted by J-King on September 24, 2009 at 6:40 a.m. #343
[bossman:one thing i wanted to know was how chars balancing was changed from the first sf3 to the last sf3????]
Alot was changed bossman. Ryu/Ken, Dudley, Alex and Yun were top tiers in the first game. By 2nd Impact had Sean being top tier strongest! Yep, guess Capcom didn't try out or test the game as much or pay attention to the characters as they should've. Pity cos enough SF fans actually enjoy how strong he was in that game. Besides EX-moves and additional moves for some characters (Dudley's
Thunderbolt/Flying Corkscrew blow) parrying was stricter (as it should've remained) and Hugo, Urien and Akuma were added as characters. And even the soundtrack was a vast improvement, some of the 2nd Impact tracks dropped from Third Strike, are sorely missed.
By Third Strike, more characters were added; Q, Makoto, Remy, Twelve and Chun Li. Balances were disturbed even further by Chun Li being way too overpowered. Parrying was taken to insane levels (which kinda made it lose the plot to begin with) and moves/specials canceling into one another was made easier. Although some special moves were removed from characters (Dudley) and other had altered moves etc. Hidden taunts (extra values of taunting also changed slightly), 13 selectable character colours.
Got some links for people to check out, far as Bossman's 3S questions go. Just copy & paste these into your web browser!
Street Fighter III: Third Strike (Sean Combo Exhibition)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TeXxjo...
SFIII 3rd strike hugo combo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGea6P...
SFIII 3S combo video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDwI2D...
SFIII 3rd strike alex combo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj-6Ol...
KYSG 3rd Strike vol.3 Alex
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9eraJ...
JerseyFame, check out my previous posts and tell me what you think of my suggestions for an improved Guile?
J-King
Posted by J-King on September 24, 2009 at 7:53 a.m. #344
Continued......
3S Parry videos!
Street Fighter III 3rd Strike Parry Exibition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odHo36...
Street Fighter 3 Third Strike: Red Parry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeYgJC...
SFIII: 3rd Strike - Parry Madness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0a2Q2...
SF3 3rd Strike parry exhibition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ4p5a...
3rd Strike parrying video - Project Shinjitsu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul2BXw...
Street Fighter 3rd Strike Best Parrying Exhibition
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkBCCw...
Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike Fight For The Future
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQl9Lo...
J-King!
Posted by J-King on September 24, 2009 at 8:30 a.m. #345
Street Fighter 3 vids concluded!
Street Fighter III - 2nd Impact Combo Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWChUK...
Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact Left Over Combos and Glitches
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOz0RU...
Street Fighter 3: 2nd Impact
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzVMWc...
Street Fighter 3 New Generation + Gameplay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR_Hgr...
STREET FIGHTER THREE NEW GENERATION COMBOS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMYLat...
J-King
Posted by J-King on September 24, 2009 at 9:51 a.m. #346
Its not all about answering a 3S question. So here are some excellent SF4 combos and whatnot, since this is a thread about SF4 Dash.
Also figured i'd put only the best ones i could find up too.
Dan Ain't No Joke (SFIV Dan Skill Project) - UPDATED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ8xsb...
SFIV Dan's Ultra: Advanced Strategies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-olcF...
Dan the Man (SHORT SFIV Dan Skill Project)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tcVJe...
[SFIV] SF4 Combo Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0L7Zi...
Street Fighter IV Combo Video Vol. 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glFH8p...
Street Fighter IV 4 - Super Cancels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BIqQC...
J-King
Posted by Madness on September 24, 2009 at 10:19 a.m. #347
Why are you posting 3rd strike vids...let it die.
Posted by J-King on September 24, 2009 at 10:21 a.m. #348
Continued and concluded....
I'll continue by supporting my Guile love.
Street Fighter IV - GUILE - 16 Hit Combo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPUg5d...
[Street Fighter IV] Guile - 17 HITS!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUe__m...
Guile combo links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2g7XE...
SF4: Guile's Flash Kick into Ultra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1yvE4...
SF IV Guile - Super to Ultra Combo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7soye...
Guile Super to Ultra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ibYGB...
Reversals and Airthrows (gilleybaba vid)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR53cb...
M. Bison (US) Hard Trial Challenge Compilation HQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSBrGh...
Street Fighter IV Various Character Combo Exhibition Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68lAsn...
Shadaloo Dynasty Balrog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmfTZE...
Fight Money Balrog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts0MQE...
Shadaloo Dynasty Balrog Pack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgybG_...
BV - Street Fighter 4 - Combo Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr7sGM...
Street Fighter 4 combos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxta88...
Street Fighter 4 Guile combos (gilleybaba vid)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lato8F...
Ryu 22 hit combo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdeELs...
Kinda wanted to put some ST combos put, but that'll be too much. Anyways unbalanced game or not. Discuss, hope some of the links (boy can i rinse out youtube or what eh?) provided, add to the debating etc and all. And we're still awaiting SF4 news from the Tokyo Game Show which covers 3 days, so still quite plenty SF4 to talk about yet folks.
J-King
Posted by J-King on September 24, 2009 at 10:39 a.m. #349
[Madness:Why are you posting 3rd strike vids...let it die.]
Because Madness, i wanted to answer Bossman's question thats why. also i figured it'll be good to use the internet to further illustrate my point by showing some videos, nothing says so more, than the actual vids themselves of combos, characters, system etc.
What exactly, have you provided to the debate besides bitching and making an ill-advised comment yourself?
Look man, i'm a ST man myself and 3 Strike isn't my number 1# SF title, not by far and i've got issues with it myself, plenty of'em. But i admit its got its good points and factors too, and i gotta admit further still, that i actually do like some of the 3S characters, but not all of them mind you.
If you prefered it died then thats your problem not mine, but i still had to answer Bossman question though.
I've put up some great SF4 vids now for folks on here to enjoy and talk about, unless you've got a problem with those too Madness?
J-King
Posted by bossman on September 24, 2009 at 12:22 p.m. #350
zoop zoop much appreciated king... gonna have a butchers at the video'sssssssss lol little later... but having read what you wrote seems like there was a lot of changes to the sf3... im hoping sf4 dash doesnt go the same route... fingers crossed they leave all the chars as they are... and the new chars i hope they dont overpower my ryu lol
Posted by JerseyFame on September 24, 2009 at 1:11 p.m. #351
@cuttyb87
JerseyFame
xbox live
17,550gp Guile G1-E
57% win loss ration in 4000 matches.
Anyone saying Guile is fine should be very quiet as I doubt they have even played close to that many matches as just him. If you dont play Guile why do u care to doubt he needs a buff, focus on your main. Im targeting the development team to make Guile more violent with more damage potential so that I can get the most out of my gameplay experience. You Ryu and Sagat players can gorge yourselves on the opening of your opponents while enjoying the safety of your various unpunishable attacks.
for example Ryu can EX hurricane into an Uppercut with no recovery time in between moves. That has to be fun.
Sagat can do a weak tiger knee all day. If you block it the hitstun does not allow you to counter for any damage due to his recovery time being faster than you can recover from blockstun.
Yet...lo and behold...if I flash kick. I am responsible for my attempt. If i dont connect, I get destroyed.
Im fine with that, just give me at least a a handful of offensive options I can add to my arsenal so that I can be an offensive threat. Turtle Guile is so 1991...lets step it up guys.
Posted by Madness on September 24, 2009 at 1:36 p.m. #352
Post 277 does alot more than spam the board with nonsense, but some people like spam and that's why people keep talking about 3rd strike everychance they get here.
Balance changes are what will make this game really great, but say whatever you want here as the suggestions for buffs to characters have no doubt already been submitted, and i hope the new characters aren't either pre-nerfed or overpowered.
Posted by baz on September 24, 2009 at 2:19 p.m. #353
@ J- King
thanks for the 3rd strike glitch video, that was pretty funny
Posted by J-King on September 24, 2009 at 7:27 p.m. #354
@Baz: The Sean one's my favorite 3S vid Baz. Despite the serious downgrade, elite players, can still make the most of Sean, and make him out to be mid-to-top tier still, lol!
Hope Sean and at least Hugo make SF4 Dash. Have Cody removed (who needs him, he always had a poor design?) from that rumored list of SF4 additionals, and add in Charlie. Possibly with a 'Shadow Charlie' alternate. Guile's storyarc with him needs a proper finish. Finding out that Guile's old U.S. Airforce pal isn't really dead, but was either brainwashed or converted into his enemy (By M.Bison/'Shadoloo' or by 'S.I.N.' and Seth) would be the way to go. That and the whole Abel thing too, i.e. the 'Sonic Boom' move Abel claims to have seen from somebody else?, all needs closure.
Would also love it if certain characters had an alternate version to pick, at the character select screen via secret code. Evil Ryu, Gray Skinned Evil Zangief, Shin Akuma (CPU only), Shadow Charlie (if he was added), Evil Sakura, A serious darker version of Dan (i.e. not the jokey weaker version of him etc.), An Evil powered up version of 'Blanka' (akin to 'Dark John Talbain' in Darkstalkers) and possibly an enhanced version of M.Bison/Dictator (CPU style flashy like his Alpha 3 incarnation etc.) lets try to remember why M.Bison was and IS a powerful badass boss character Capcom?!
I've put down a list of changes/characters and system alterations that might make SF4 Dash vastly improved on another site/fourm board. I'll see if i can add some of those ideas on here by next or something, but hopefully after the Tokyo Game Show, news of SF4 Dash might make all that, a somewhat mute point though?!
I'll leave by asking, what does everyone seriously think of the news of 2 new characters for SF4 Dash?
Are they really going to be all-new characters, or will Capcom just reintroduce some Street Fighter 1 (1987) characters, as they did with Adon, Birdie, Gen and Eagle* (SFA 3:PSP version*) of the SF Alpha series. And simply say that they're new, cos you haven't used them at all and they haven't been seen since the first SF back in 87.
Maybe Geki, Retsu, Lee and Joe will make long awaited comebacks in SF4, who knows? But doesn't Ibuki herself have ties to the old SF1 ninja 'Geki', as does Vega(Claw)? and if Guy isn't included in the Dash version, would Geki be?
We'll see.
J-King
Posted by bossman on September 25, 2009 at 10:13 a.m. #355
i dont understand... if people are finding guile needs a boost why dont you pick a higher tier char... who has better tools???? you need to adapt to the game... not ask the developers to adapt to you! i got family that used to main guile on previous sf games... come sf4... they switched after a week... they use either balrog or bison
Posted by bossman on September 25, 2009 at 10:15 a.m. #356
oh and i like it when they bring back sf1 chars... brings back old memories!
Posted by J-King on September 25, 2009 at 4:18 p.m. #357
I disagree with that statement!
If the game's 'brass' (crap in some areas) why would you need to adapt to it. If anything even Capcom have acknowledged that some of the characters are too powerful and cheesy (Sagat, Balrog, Seth and Zangief) and while others are seriously lacking.
Thing is, every SF fan knows Guile has continued to be downgraded since his SF:WW/CE/HF days, and has suffered as a result. Capcom showing alot of bias in making Ryu & Ken too powerful in later games, only goes to show that point even moreso. Maybe they were shocked to find his character was so strong to begin with and wanted to rep Ryu and Ken, Akuma over him etc.
Sorry, but i'm of the thinking that Guile needs to be upgraded for the better, his current condition is just so disgusting and a travesty to the character after all these years. Backing overpowered characters just means today's players lack the necessary skill and time to really study a much harder character with more technical depth is all.
His character was just designed too damn good, and Capcom knew it. Guile only got "two special moves" and he's always been very strong. Thus the downgrades with each proceding SF title in the SF2 series.
To me and many others, if developers/companies don't listen to the fans, then they'll continue to make lackluster title games, its as simple as that. If you took away Ryu/Ken's Fireball and Dragon Punch and gave them crappy tools to use, you'd soon see the complaints and gamers turn to something else. Ryu and Ken weren't even meant to be in SF3 until Capcom chickened out and put'em in cos they knew people wouldn't consider the game apart of the SF series without them etc. Fix the character nuff said. And learn to 'main' a character despite the weaknesses. People who run to Balrog and Sagat are cheap! M.Bison i don't mind (personal bias on my part though, lol) nothing really comes of picking overpowered characters. You can get wins, but it ain't out of pure skill if the character's flawed and too strong to begin with.
Best players i've seen on SF4, are ones that pick mid-tiers (C.Viper, El Fuerte and Dan?) and destroy supposedly top-tier characters, purely cos they are talented enough to understand their characters and the character weaknesses and matchups are deeply studies so they can play around all that, and come up with dozen new tactics or so etc!
Old saying goes; If it ain't broke don't fix! But SF4 is broken, so naturally it 'NEEDS' fixing badly, as goes Guile (buffed) and overpowered ones 'nerfed'!
J-King
Posted by JerseyFame on September 25, 2009 at 5:48 p.m. #358
^agreed
Guile needs work. Hes honestly not much fun
Posted by JerseyFame's Boyfriend on September 25, 2009 at 7:24 p.m. #359
Honestly guile has always been garbage so stop being crybabies and either set up your game or stop crying like little bitches. Nobody gives to flying pieces of buffalo feces about your boyfriend guile.
Posted by JerseyFame's Boyfriend on September 25, 2009 at 7:30 p.m. #360
Hey J-King if you ever want to have a threesome wit me and my bf JerseyFame let us know. You can wear your best guile outfit, I usually dress up as Charlie.
Posted by bossman on September 26, 2009 at 2:20 a.m. #361
@king
guile is int really a tourny char... he is used for more casual play... thats how he is built get over it... stop asking capcom to better him lol it seems to me that guile's following is not that popular to capcom and they dont care about him so they left him in the bin... if you want to use a char that has to input more skill try sims... viper... gen??? not guile he does not have the tools... and asking capcom to give him the tools seems a bit hopefull... take matters in to your own hands and pick someone else
i use to main ken and seeing him in sf4 i was disapointed but im not gonna hit forums telling capcom to better his fireball... link his ultra... do this do that... i would sound like a loser!
i clocked ken was dusty so moved on to ryu... simples!
ken aint that great either in this game... but you dont hear people crying about him
ryu is mad strong because he is sf main char and sf4 is a rebirth game...
not to be rude king but you sound kinda young... my little brother comes out with talk like you... they should make ken better than ryu! they should make ken the best etc lol
you ask jap and US top players and they say sf4 is probably one of the greatest sf games... justin said this and daigo
i find all the top players moan about online play and really dont play much online mode
and the mid skilled players moan more about the chars being unbalanced...
anyone agree... i doubt king will... but neither does my little brother lol no disrespect king lol
Posted by dylan on September 26, 2009 at 1:24 p.m. #362
I hope they introduce some SFIII characters. Dudley, Q, Ibuki, Makoto, Hugo... even Remy.
As far as gameplay in concerned... I like the way SFIV plays. I think that it would be nice if they brought the Super Art system back from SFIII. I liked choosing between different super moves; it changes things up a bit.
Posted by Rose's Hubby on September 27, 2009 at 3:35 a.m. #363
I really hope they add Rolento, Guy, Deejay and some of the characters from third strike & make the game more balanced (make fei long's chicken wing a better overhead and weaken sagat abit and even improve on akuma's defense)
Posted by JerseyFame on September 27, 2009 at 4:18 p.m. #364
Why are people using my name in a homo erotic fashion. Thats just depraved. I feel sorry for your mother.
Anyway. If you say Capcom doesnt care about Guile thats stupid and you dont know your history.
Guile has been the main character in several movies for streetfighter, anime and live action. In the street fighter the movie anime he was a main character and highly involved in the plot. In StreetFighter II IV he is depicted as a hero to Ryu and Ken. They wish they had his skill level, he even destroyed Zangief singlehandedly and even faced off with Bison. In the live action movie he as the star.
So dont say capcom doesnt care about Guile. They just didnt anticipate he would be so technically deficient in this game.
I hope they fix him. The end.
p.s. Im new to the whole troll stalking thing, but it does show that I have fans, which is cool.
Posted by Quake2815 on September 27, 2009 at 4:33 p.m. #365
I hope the new char sketch from SF4 is one of those new characters. He was the black dude.
Posted by JerseyFame's Boyfriend on September 27, 2009 at 10:01 p.m. #366
Come back to bed baby so we can guile and charlie roleplay our homoerotic fantasies
Posted by baz on September 27, 2009 at 10:37 p.m. #367
@j king
I think your right about cody being too basic, I still just want final fight people cuz I like final fight and I like the whole background interaction( pick up a knife) deal he had in alpha 3. Really if I can't play gouken in the arcade version, then I will have to decide between Cody and T.Hawk as my main, next would be the new characters and possibly check out ibuki and guy, the rest I'm like whatever. but I think it will be a better step up than 2nd impact was from new generation. I'm hoping better, funner and more fair than 3rd strike or SF4!
Posted by JerseyFame on September 28, 2009 at 10:33 a.m. #368
madness?
is that you?
Hi madness.
Posted by Tenorgamer on September 28, 2009 at 6:09 p.m. #369
Wow so many posts. Oh man and they though the SF craze ended. All the rumored characters are great but we are missing Karin. One of my favs.
Still time to bring Karin in
Posted by ultrakombo on September 29, 2009 at 7:37 a.m. #370
wheres mah rolento!
Posted by Panda on September 29, 2009 at 8:57 a.m. #371
To those saying it's okay that guile sucks, please shut up.
It isn't okay for ANY character to suck. Even Dan. Capcom put in time and effort to design, and animate the character. They want everyone to be playable, otherwise it flushes their work down the drain.
Vega, guile, and El fuerte all NEED buffs, along with a good number of the Console characters.
And various fixes should be made to things that feel like obvious oversights (Ken's target combo whiffing on crouching characters, gens charge moves taking FOREVER to come out, etc.)
Posted by JerseyFame's Boyfriend on September 30, 2009 at 12:34 a.m. #372
Shut up Panda, guile is fine, try using dan as your main, now thats a f**ken hard fight
Posted by killerluigi on October 1, 2009 at 2:46 a.m. #373
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXXvAz...
T-HAWK gameplay and brandnew character Juri gameplay
Posted by J-King on October 3, 2009 at 6:19 a.m. #374
[bossman:you ask jap and US top players and they say sf4 is probably one of the greatest sf games... justin said this and daigo]
Wow. So, other people's opinion drives and makes your mind up for you does it? Fair enough, but unlike you in the real world, we learn to form our own opinions rather than rely on somebody else's regardless if they're SF tournament players or not!
Thats retarded at best, no offense but i can see you'll take it like that regardless though. I don't know Justin Wong and could care less about Justin Wong, so what he likes is his business not mine. Just cos somebody made a name for themselves doesn't equate to them making up my favorite games for me.
If they do for you, then your a sap, nuff said.
Daigo i don't mind, the guy's quiet and doesn't make a fuss, whereas Wong's loud and very rude, doesn't come across as the gentleman Daigo is. Wong gets a win in one round and he celebrates like he won the friggin Superbowl. Daigo just re-organises himself and plans a major comeback, and eventually wins 'EVO 2009' nuff said!
If Justin Wong liked a crappy version of a Mario game, you'd have to like it as well then? Thats what a child's logic is pal.
And how exactly do i seem young to you exactly? Unlike you Justin Wong's opinion doesn't make my favorite games up for me, i'm mature enough to make my own mind up as to what i prefer, can't say the same for somebody who relies on Justin Wong's likes and dislikes, to form my opinions for me though.
Do yourself a favor and quit comparing me to your younger brother. Seems we're both smarter and more grown up than yourself! come bet your under the age of 25? And believe me, and if that inane supposed reasoning above, is in anyway the shape of your arguement for this discussion, then you wayyyyyyyyyy younger than me junior, believe that. And it'll be pointless for you to continue this pathetic nonsense of yours, just move on cos both us know your the REAL 'kid' on here o.k.
Here endeth your lesson.
J-King
P.S. You might want to use a capital 'letter' on a person's first and last name Mr (you think your older than me?) Bossman, they teach that in schools ya know!
Posted by David on October 22, 2009 at 5:03 p.m. #375
I WANT YUN In this....WTF >.< Get rid of Guy and Seth...Ive never seen someone online play as Seth!!!(well once)And replace them with YUN and Yang!!!
Posted by rofl on November 1, 2009 at 10:47 a.m. #376
@ J-King
i think its obvious you're no kid, because no kids these days use a phrase as lame as "'nuff said" that often...
Posted by The Lord on November 5, 2009 at 11:14 p.m. #377
@j-king
Christ.There is no amount of words to describe how much of a tool you are.
Also, putting "J-King" at the end of your posts is retarded.
Posted by LOL SRK!!! on November 24, 2009 at 8:15 a.m. #378
Its funny how all the characters are getting confirmed from the original thread that SRK deleted!!!
Posted by F Makoto & Ibuki on November 25, 2009 at 6:10 p.m. #379
I hope they don't make the cut. 3rd Strike has so many better options.
Posted by obvioustroll on November 27, 2009 at 6:23 p.m. #380
they should just drop every character and put all their time and money into making sagat better.. way too sh*tty. the man doesn't hit hard enough, his priority doesn't override anyones attacks and his recovery after attacks is too slow.
Posted by obviousfan on December 1, 2009 at 3:04 p.m. #381
i agree. sagat is definitely underpowered, all other characters should be removed and the entire focus of the game should be on sagat, if you prefer variety, capcom can release 25 different sagat outfits as dlc.
Posted by 4everbuffy on December 19, 2009 at 10:57 a.m. #382
This list was so true
Posted by Joe on January 11, 2010 at 12:33 p.m. #383
Adon FTW!!! I could never imagine that he would make it into the rooster, yes!
Posted by lol rOster on January 16, 2010 at 6:06 p.m. #384
...lol, into the rooster
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