Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo HD Remix Tiers — Character Rankings
Last updated on Sept. 13, 2009
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| AKUMA | - | 6 | 5 | 5 | 6 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 7 | 7 | 7 | 6 | 7 | 9 | 100 |
| BALROG | 4 | - | 5 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 7 | 5 | 4 | 88 |
| DHALSIM | 5 | 5 | - | 4 | 6 | 7 | 6 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 3 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 7 | 87 |
| VEGA | 5 | 4 | 6 | - | 6 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 87 |
| RYU | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | - | 5 | 6 | 7 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 5 | 86 |
| SAGAT | 5 | 4 | 3 | 4 | 5 | - | 6 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 85 |
| DEE JAY | 4 | 5 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 4 | - | 7 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 7 | 6 | 6 | 84 |
| E. HONDA | 4 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 3 | 4 | 3 | - | 5 | 6 | 4 | 4 | 7 | 6 | 6 | 8 | 7 | 84 |
| CHUN-LI | 4 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 5 | - | 6 | 5 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 5 | 6 | 81 |
| M. BISON | 4 | 4 | 4 | 6 | 4 | 5 | 5 | 4 | 4 | - | 4 | 5 | 6 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 78 |
| KEN | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 5 | 6 | - | 5 | 5 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 4 | 77 |
| GUILE | 3 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 5 | 5 | 5 | - | 5 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 76 |
| CAMMY | 3 | 4 | 7 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 5 | - | 5 | 5 | 7 | 7 | 75 |
| BLANKA | 3 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 6 | 5 | - | 4 | 6 | 7 | 74 |
| FEI LONG | 4 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 5 | 6 | - | 6 | 7 | 73 |
| T. HAWK | 3 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 4 | 2 | 5 | 4 | 5 | 4 | 3 | 4 | 4 | - | 5 | 65 |
| ZANGIEF | 1 | 6 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 3 | 4 | 3 | 4 | 4 | 6 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 5 | - | 60 |
This tier listing is built under the assumption that two expert level players of the same skill level are going head to head for 10 games. The numbers listed are the presumed win totals.
For example, Ryu would win 6 games and lose 4 against Dee Jay by the chart above.
While tier listings are very popular, it's always best not to take too much stock in these. Characters move up and down in the listing and matches change as new things are discovered. Flat out bottom tier characters have won tournaments before and top tier fighters have lost far more games than anyone could ever keep track of.
Tiers are NEVER ever the final word on anything, but some of the information listed above is helpful. For example, very few people would argue that Zangief doesn't have a big disadvantage against Akuma.
As such, take these tiers as a loose guideline of how the matches stack up, but never as the end all be all of who's good in the game.
Just to head off some of the repeat questions that come up, here's a mini FAQ.
Q: I disagree with part of this match up chart. Character X is better than Character Y.
A: This is the nature of tier listings for Street Fighter. No one ever fully agrees with them.
Q: But what if I strongly feel a match up listed here is completely wrong.
A: Leave a comment, post videos and discuss why you feel it is off. Showing compelling evidence has changed people's minds before and it can be done again.
Q: Where was this information gathered from?
A: Primarily top player's forum posts, blogs and interviews where they discussed the match ups.
Q: But a top player said a match up is different than what's in here.
A: The match up charts were looked at from several perspectives. We didn't just take one Ryu player's perspective on his match against Guile, but looked at his peers to see what they said as well. Also, we checked out what top Guile players had to say on the match too.
Q: I still think the tier listing is off.
A: Again, this is normal. Opinions are heavily based off your own experiences, perspective and other factors and it would be impossible to create a tier chart everyone agrees with. Even top players of the same characters don't agree with each other.
Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo Tier Rankings
Because HD Remix is a remake of Super Turbo, the old character rankings are still relevant to some degree even though the game has been rebalanced.
This is also here for completeness sake because you can still play the old school Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo in HD Remix without any of the rebalacing changes.
| Character | Comment |
| Akuma | Broken character, clearly the best. Can't be stunned, air fireball, etc. |
| Old Sagat | Insane damage on his uppercut and dominant projectiles, Old Sagat is nuts. |
| Dhalsim | Great cheese game and keep away tactics. Very dominant character. |
| Balrog (Boxer) | Speed, power and cheese, and the best Super in the game. |
| Vega (Claw) | His range, speed are excellent. Attack power is solid, plus wall dive shenanigans. |
| Chun Li | Strong all around game, very quick. |
| Ryu | No major weaknesses, very good in most areas. |
| M. Bison (Dictator) | Speed, power and dizzies others quickly. Great throwing game. |
| Dee Jay | Solid character, pretty decent all around game. |
| Guile | Defensive dominator, but has trouble with some matches against the top tiers. |
| Ken | Nerfed Dragon Punch hurts him, but still has good throw loops. |
| E. Honda | Beats basically anyone without a projectile, but has trouble with fireball throwers. |
| Fei Long | Has trouble with fireball traps and getting in, but very strong close up game. |
| Zangief | Great inside game, but has trouble getting in consistently. |
| Old T. Hawk | Unstoppable throw loop, but not easy to get in with. |
| Blanka | Great mobility, but still has a difficult time with many match ups. |
| Cammy | Lacks consistent viable options to win, some decent tactics though. |
Posted by Edu on November 3, 2008 at 2:01 a.m. #1
The fun thing about this is that I'm one of the best players in my city (Blumenau - SC - Brazil), and my character of choice in Super Street Fighter II Turbo is Cammy, who is on the bottom of the tier list. /o/
I even used her once to win a small championship we had, defeating Sagat in the last round (very difficult fight, though).
Well, truth to be told, Cammy is always my character of choice. Good or bad, I'm usually playing with her. ^^ (Cammyfan =p)
Posted by Insect Royalty on November 7, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. #2
I do enjoy thumping poor underrated Cammy with Chun li. Hoho!
I find it odd that Dhalsim is ranked so high. Tier lists never really relate to my Street Fighter experience, save for the Sagat being a beast bit. Akuma broken? Please... he's as predictiable as Ryu and Ken....though I loathe their ridiculous high priority.
Posted by CWheezy on November 11, 2008 at 4:46 p.m. #3
Too bad his air fireball is ridiculous, his legs are invincible during his ducking kicks, no recovery on his tele, air fireball locks everyone down for free.
And he can't be dizzied. He is definitely broken.
Posted by kaijin on December 1, 2008 at 9:42 p.m. #4
I've heard that Cammy's low tier ranking is often misleading due to her attacks having the highest priority. Fact or fiction?
Posted by coolguy681 on December 13, 2008 at 8:52 p.m. #5
I believe Sagat is still the best. But Sim seems like he lost the edge he had from the original super street fighter II turbo.
Posted by Sunny on December 16, 2008 at 4:53 a.m. #6
I play Dhalsim in HD remixed (never played the original) but I found that Dhalsim's rush down game is way better than his keep away game. A yoga fire then long limbs takes forever to win a round but drills mix-ups and noogie trap bring you a win in 20 seconds.
Posted by forchinet on January 6, 2009 at 9:08 a.m. #7
I think the top tier is relative to how effectively you play the character. I can understand at a basic level that some characters can cause more damage then others but again you can play any character and be dominant in the game. I only play Ken and I've won various championships using Ken in street fighter years ago with him. I recently downloaded hd remix and I'm getting back in the game now, although I'm tempted to buy an arcade joystick. The PS3 one is annoying.
Posted by ken masters on January 22, 2009 at 6:11 a.m. #8
ken is a quality character in remix but my issue is that when i play with either ryu ken or akuma, people can read me too well, so i like to mix it up with zangief (who is really good) cammy (whom i never thought was bad) and sagat
Posted by Sean Matsuda on January 28, 2009 at 10:02 a.m. #9
Akuma is so cheap he should be banned. Take his fierce 3 hit red fire ball for example. Does nasty chip damgage. Plus his Shoryuken is over-powered. Its definitely a match changer. Dont forget his hurricane kick juggles! Dont get me wrong. I'm an Akuma fan but he is so CHEAP in this game. Im just saying if I'm playing online I have no respect for Akuma players. Now a good Fei Long player, THATS resptectable!
Posted by PutThatCoffeeDwn on January 30, 2009 at 1:42 p.m. #10
I use blanka all the time on ps3 network the only character i have a hard time with is akuma with his air fireball but thats only when you play someone who knows what they are doing. Anyone ever wants to play look me up on PS3 network PutThatCoffeeDwn.
Posted by MJAnoname on January 30, 2009 at 10:03 p.m. #11
To everyone saying "BUT I BEAT RYU WITH BLANKA": Even in original ST, the tierlists are really close. The difference between Sagat and E. Honda is small, especially compared to some less balanced fighting games: MvC2, SSMM / SSMB, for example.
It is also more a summary of all their matchups, which isn't always going to represent their total worth in every situation. For example, E. Honda is low on the tierlist, but his actual matchups range wildly, and he is either a huge favorite or a huge underdog depending on who he's playing. Chun Li is never really a huge favorite or a huge underdog against anyone. Ryu is generally even, except against Dhalsim.
Also, when evaluating Remix Akuma, keep in mind that he still takes more damage than everyone else, which is the price he pays for his air fireball and teleport.
Posted by neonxaos on February 7, 2009 at 3:40 a.m. #12
Cammy is not bad, really. Hard to get to grips with, but very difficult to stop, because of her range, priority and ability to go through projectiles. She also has really neat combos. You HAVE to know how to use your Cannon Drill properly, though.
Posted by offset on February 9, 2009 at 11:08 a.m. #13
I never realized back in the arcade days that Fei Long was considered such a low tier player. He was by far my main choice, and I pretty much always won with him. I would beat tourney winners routinely, and they would try different characters to exploit Fei's weaknesses (good Honda players always were the hardest, but I learned I just needed to move in and out quickly). But I would always be very patient at working my way in to proper range; and of course once in the right spots Fei could apply massive amounts offensive pressure.
That was over 15 years ago, and now I am sure I will be in for some rough matches where I get thrashed. But I am really looking forward to SF IV and getting back into this again.
Posted by Redwolfx on February 16, 2009 at 11:40 a.m. #14
Noooo Such thing as Fireball traps in HD remix for Fei Long GFTO those who know how to use him well won't have trouble. And i agree with Offset, but also those who look down apon Fei long get their ass beat by me. You pick Ken, you will lose period.
Posted by ZOOLANDERBEAST on June 12, 2009 at 9:19 a.m. #15
Sim should be above o.sagat otherwise I completely agree with this list.
Posted by flight1981 on July 19, 2009 at 2:08 p.m. #16
I've thrown my controller at the wall at least 20 times 'cause of this fckin game!!!!!! LOVE ken's jap dp, super fast recovery and mad priority. I think i'm super cheap with it though. I tend to use it to trap people with it. Definitely a change from the original.
Posted by ryu-ali on August 4, 2009 at 8:53 a.m. #17
Well here are MY character lists for SF2 Remix
Akuma is the best.
Top Level characters (not in any order)
- Sagat
- E Honda
- Blanka
- Ken
- Zangief
- Ryu
Mid Level characters (not in any order)
- DeeJay
- Guile
- Vega
- T Hawk
Lower Level characters (not in any order)
- Dhalsim
- fei Long
- Cammy
- Chun Li
- Bison
- Balrog
Now this is my interpretation of the ratings of the characters in SF2 HD Remix for PS3
Whilst someone with a Low end level caharacter like Cammy can beat Sagat (in a high end table) it is b/c they have to work harder.
Let me know whta you think.
Posted by me on August 25, 2009 at 6:49 p.m. #18
blanka is a beast in hd remix........seriously best character imo
Posted by Heh. on August 31, 2009 at 9:32 p.m. #19
Honestly, I think Fei Long should be higher up. He's an insane Rushdown character-Once he hits you, you almost had it.
He tends to WRECK people.
Posted by SSJ3X on September 3, 2009 at 9:26 p.m. #20
Damn 9-1 Akuma Vs. Zangief... Thats Nuts... But I Would Agree.
Posted by Without Akuma in the list on September 3, 2009 at 10:42 p.m. #21
I did the math without Akuma being in the tiers and it's basically the same.
Balrog 84
Dhalsim 82
Vega 82
Sagat 81
Ryu 81
Dee Jay 80
E. Honda 80
Chun-Li 77
M. Bison 74
Ken 73
Guile 73
Blanka 71
Cammy 69
Fei Long 68
T. Hawk 65
Zangief 60
Posted by a generic Guile on September 3, 2009 at 10:43 p.m. #22
Holy crap, I would have thought that Guile would have been higher (after having used him the most)...I can see why most of the people above him - are, though.
Posted by chickenwings on September 3, 2009 at 11:14 p.m. #23
Some of the top choices for top tier are obvious, but placement of characters like fei long,blanka and guile are surprising(sirlin took fei long to finals). Overall this game feels 10 times more balanced then sf4. The lower tier characters have the tools to be competitive. I just wish this game got more exposure then sf4. After playing that crap for over 500 hours theres no doubt in my mind that street fighter 2 is and always will be street fighter at its finest and hd remix just refines it.
Posted by 1 on September 3, 2009 at 11:32 p.m. #24
why does it still say cheese?
what year are you in?
Posted by @chickenwings on September 4, 2009 at 1:44 a.m. #25
well said chicken.... well said.
Posted by IncendiaryTurnip on September 4, 2009 at 11:32 a.m. #26
Wow.
They actually did an honest analysis on Akuma in this game instead of just automatically pigeon-holing him as broken. I'm quite pleased.
Damn. I was honestly sure that Guile would be bumped up a little higher. But, I guess the changes done to everyone else just kept them better. Kinda wish they hadn't nerfed the damage on Guile's super. Still, it's worlds apart in terms of viability against his Ultra in 4, so I'm not too disappointed.
Kinda surprised that Chun has a tier all her own, though.
Posted by Whoa on September 4, 2009 at 11:38 a.m. #27
Zangief, the worst character, has a better matchup against the top player Balrog!? This is a first of tiers. :P
And yes, Akuma is still broken-tier in this version.
Posted by IncendiaryTurnip on September 4, 2009 at 11:52 a.m. #28
Yeah, I know. I mean, the guy doesn't have any bad matchups, and he's got a 9-1 against Gief. This is important to note because everyone else has at least one 4. At least he isn't quite as broken as in classic Super Turbo, where he pretty much had 9's on everyone, afaik.
The difference here is that this is refreshing to see, since most of the talk I've heard just has Akuma banned all over the place as a result of, the way I saw it, not much analysis. To actually see the numbers in front of me is a nice change.
Maybe I'm just feeling particularly biased against SF4. I haven't even played it that much, but virtually everything I've been hearing all over has discouraged me from pursuing it further.
Posted by erm on September 4, 2009 at 5:56 p.m. #29
nice and close near the top. That sure looks like a balanced game to me.
Posted by Valter on September 4, 2009 at 6:18 p.m. #30
Now all you have to do is put switch Balrog and Ken and your tier list is perfect.
Posted by W Tee EFF on September 4, 2009 at 6:29 p.m. #31
who is the scrub guile player or who based this?? the top tiers are fine however your mid and lows are all messed up
Posted by Don on September 4, 2009 at 9:03 p.m. #32
I think the final Tier list that Zangief should be higher up-At least above T.Hawk, because I've seen many a gief player completely destroy a good Fei Long.
Posted by TigreCorteSuperior on September 5, 2009 at 10:32 a.m. #33
Compare the HD Remix Tier List and SF4 rankings on Eventhubs
http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/13...
(took off console characters for quick comparison)
Sagat is pratically on the same level as Akuma, but only the latter is banned from tournaments.
Posted by rexyaresexy on September 5, 2009 at 12:02 p.m. #34
lol at t.hawk at the bottom
Posted by chickenwings on September 5, 2009 at 12:52 p.m. #35
Imo you cant compare the tier lists in sf4 and hdr. LOwer tier characters in that game really do lack the options that higher tier characters have(proirty,damage,offensive/deffensive ability, ultra set ups). compare sf4 vega and elf to sagat and ryu and most of that is true. But when u look at hdr even though its obvious why balrog and dhalsim are top tier it doesnt mean that zangief doesnt have the tools to wreck people(i have seen zangiefs that rape and make the tier list look like a lie).
Plus another big thing is in hdr there arent any free wins, in sf4 picking sagat and understanding basic things can net you alot of points(seriously, get your ranges down, learn shorts into lite tiger knee and your solid, learn fadc ultra and your good to go) but in hdr picking dhalsim doesnt mean anything unless you understand how to use him. Also lets not forget that all the top tier have bad matchs, but in hdr sagat and ryu have nothing to worry about since most of the time there at an advantage or on equal terms(factor in the fact that ryu and sagat are both the best turtles in the game and have easy ways to get ultra and there still at an advantage on 5/5s).
Imo sf4 SUCKS. Its way too turtle friendly, ultras are the stupidest idea ever, the stages are freaking huge(again helping turtles)and most of the cast isnt worth the time and effort when i could just be playing with characters that arent lacking the tools to win(aka top tier).
Posted by chickenwings on September 5, 2009 at 12:54 p.m. #36
second paragraph, i meant in sf4 ryu/sagat have nothing to worry about. ITS FREAKING TRUE lol.
Posted by DUDe on September 7, 2009 at 12:19 a.m. #37
Akuma is way to over powered lol!!
Posted by JigglyNorris on September 7, 2009 at 6:40 p.m. #38
Whoever decided the tier and match-up chart for Hawk needs to jump off of a cliff. How about consulting the actual players for this list instead of going off of only 10 fights?
Posted by Panda on September 11, 2009 at 12:43 p.m. #39
Akuma's banned (re-banned at evo), so shouldn't you recalculate a tierlist without him?
Posted by Violent Lucidity on September 12, 2009 at 4:22 a.m. #40
It was posted earlier, but what the hell.
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/9990...
Yep, it's pretty much the same. Including Akuma in the list gives most of the higher tiers a boost, because it's apparently a fairly even matchup among most of them. But all in all whether or not he's included doesn't really change anything in terms of placement, it just shifts around some of the colors.
Removing him does take Sagat down to the red tier, which is kinda funny to see, imo.
Posted by deadcellspawn on September 12, 2009 at 11:13 p.m. #41
to the tier rankings posted above with no akuma. the dhalsim vega matchup is 6-6. it should be 6-4 vegas favor. i didnt check for other errors but theres prob more
Posted by Violent Lucidity on September 13, 2009 at 9:39 a.m. #42
Heh, yeah. I was expecting a few muck ups with the numbers. I had to shift some things around, so it's no surprise that some of them didn't come out right.
Posted by Violent Lucidity on September 13, 2009 at 9:43 a.m. #43
@TigreCorteSuperior
Funny thing is, with those current SF4 numbers (and without the console characters), Akuma actually switches spots with Balrog. Except, you know, my math could be off. I'd have to double check.
Posted by Violent Lucidity on September 13, 2009 at 9:53 a.m. #44
You know what else is funny? Chun and Yun in 3rd Strike are even worse than SF4 Sagat and HD Remix Akuma, yet they're not banned either. XD
Posted by @tigrecorte on September 14, 2009 at 6:09 a.m. #45
Man #43 isn't very smart. This is HD remix tiers smart guy.
Posted by Panda on September 14, 2009 at 8:23 a.m. #46
Chun and yun are bad, but not nearly as bad as akuma in HD remix.
100% safe and invulnerable jab shoryuken + Air fireballs most of the cast can't deal with = owning the game.
At least with chun and yun, they need meter first
Posted by @panda on September 14, 2009 at 10:01 a.m. #47
ahahahah so freaking funny but akuma is banned. But chun and yun are whored to death. SF4 sucks too. Look at the match between the lowest tier and highest tier and it blatantly was unbalanced to hd remix once akuma is removed heck even with akuma hdr is still more balanced. BUt gief is sh1tty though.
Posted by Panda on September 14, 2009 at 10:23 a.m. #48
@#47
The worst matchup in SF4 is probably seth vs gief, at an 8-2, and is one of the only 8-2 matches in the game (i'd be hard pressed to name another, honestly)
The worst matchup in HDR is akuma vs gief at 9-1, and akuma has 9-1 matchups with a few more characters in the game, along with 7-3 matchups ve the rest of the cast.
What I'm saying is SF4 sagat dreams of growing up and one day becoming HDR akuma.
In all seriousness, I think both games are really balanced, and my comment was in response to #44, who said yun and chun in third strike are worse than HDR akuma, which is outright nonsense.
Posted by Violent Lucidity on September 14, 2009 at 11:14 a.m. #49
@ Panda
I was mainly talking about it in the scope of the charts in terms of point values. The difference in collective points between the top and bottom spot of HD Remix is around 39, and around 24 without Akuma. In SF IV it's 29, and 52 with the console characters added. In 3S, it's 70.
@ #45, that post was in reference to #33 when he compared SF4 tiers to HD Remix. Just a fun little observation. How, exactly does that make me "not very smart?"
Posted by SuperV on September 14, 2009 at 2:51 p.m. #50
I knew Balrog would be number one in this game. Suprised that Ryu isnt number 2. Also suprised that Zangief is bottom tier.
Posted by Panda on September 14, 2009 at 2:59 p.m. #51
@Violent Lucidity: Lol, the SF4 console characters are so bad they unbalance the game. It's funny, but if you only look at numbers, banning low tiers in some instances would better balance the game than banning high tiers.
Regardless of tier discussion (this tier obviously being less concrete than the 3S tier), akuma's pretty obviously more broken than yun or chun, and his matchups will end up reflecting that (or they WOULD, but you know....banning), simply because half the game has no options against him.
Posted by Muffin Man on September 14, 2009 at 6:28 p.m. #52
@Panda
I'm not exactly sure what you were saying in your comment but if you go by the tier lists you'll realize that Chun Li and Yun do in fact have better mactchups than Akuma. Yun has no bad matchups and only one even one and Chun has only won matchup she doesn't win which is against Yun. Again, I'm not exactly sure what you were trying to say but this is what I'm saying.
Posted by jeremie on September 22, 2009 at 6:18 a.m. #53
i was just wondering...what are the differences between SF4 Vega(Claw) and HDR Vega(Claw)
Posted by Answer on October 6, 2009 at 10:11 a.m. #54
@jeremie
Vega: HDR Vs. SF4
- HDR Rolling Attack immediately attacks; SF4 has some awful starting time.
- HDR Wall Dives are less punishable and have more claw range.
- HDR does more damage than SF4.
- Vega can hit through more moves than SF4.
- SF4 can remove the mask. Higher ATK but lower DEF.
Practically, you could play Vega in SF4 like you would in HDR, but chances are it is a lot less effective.
Posted by >:( on October 6, 2009 at 3:21 p.m. #55
Cammy isn't 3-7 against Honda. Its more of a 1-9 match in Honda's favor and even then, that's being optimistic. Honda totally crushes Cammy. The rest seems okay-ish though >_>
Posted by chickenwings on October 6, 2009 at 8:12 p.m. #56
vega in sf4 is a joke. That whole game is a joke to be honest. Hdr is a superior game by far, but with a such a small communtiy im stuck play turtle fighter 4, i hate u guys.
Posted by effecs on October 14, 2009 at 1:57 p.m. #57
Buff up T.Hawk and Cammy (so they aren't 2-8 failing against Honda) and we're good. Fix the heck out of Akuma (9-1 to any character = no-no and jump after air fireball for crossover mix-ups = fail) even more and we got a balanced game.
Posted by Fuerte sucks on October 16, 2009 at 12:47 p.m. #58
S**t, I didn't know matchups are way worst than SFIV.
Posted by Fuerte sucks on October 16, 2009 at 12:53 p.m. #59
I can't believe Feil Long is so low, I mean have you seen those extremely good Fei Long players, like Damdai for example?
Posted by BullDancer on October 16, 2009 at 1:48 p.m. #60
Damdai plays Ken not Fei, dont you mean Sirlin or Jumpsuit Jesse. In any case, Fei is actually slightly better this time around but not much and stuck pretty much in the same spot. In SF: 2 all characters are viable in tournaments versus SF:4 where half of them are. I loved Fei(no homo, well slight) since SF: 2 turbo and im not changing up now. Needs some buffing on street fighter 4 though.
Posted by Mr Irepressible on November 2, 2009 at 1:03 a.m. #61
Lol at guiles placement, guile is definatly mid tier at worst, upper-mid at best
Posted by erigais on November 9, 2009 at 12:29 a.m. #62
man some of these comments are too funny, people are all "man i seen this guy get crushed by this guy and my *instert character* beats up *instert character all day*."
guys seriously, they said PLAYERS WITH EQUAL SKILL. meaning no one plays in your little piece of shiit city, just cuz you pwn everyone you know with t.hawk mean he deserves a better tier, these numbers are from PROFESSIONAL RESULTS, meaning players that are better than your dumb ass. if you put as much time into a top tier char as your low tier char and then fought your self, you would kick your own ass. this tier is dead on.
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