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Super Street Fighter 4 Tiers — Character Rankings

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Street Fighter 4 Tiers — Character Rankings

Tiers have been and will likely always be a hotly debated topic. Just because a character is a higher tier does not mean you should play them. You're best off picking characters you like because of how they play.

Regardless, some people have disadvantages and the tier rankings do an alright job of outlining these, but DO NOT take the rankings as the final end all be all word about who the best characters are. Think of it more as a loose guideline.

July 2010 Tier Rankings for Super Street Fighter IV

You'll find a chart below showing roughly who would win how many games out of 10 if two high-level players of equal skill played against each other using the characters shown.

For example, M. Bison (Dictator) would win 6 games out of 10 against Crimson Viper. And Sagat would win 7 games out of 10 against Zangief.

Note: All of the names below are based off of the American release of the game. Balrog is the Boxer, Vega is Claw and so on.

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Chun-Li - 7 6 5 6 6 5 6 4 6 5 5 4 6 5 4 6 6 6 6 6 6 5 4 5 6 6 7 6 6 6 6 7 6 6 192
Honda 3 - 6 4 5 6 4 5 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 5 6 6 7 6 6 6 7 6 6 5 7 7 6 7 7 7 7 7 192
M. Bison 4 4 - 3 5 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 6 6 5 6 5 4 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 7 191
Guile 5 6 7 - 6 6 6 4 6 6 4 3 4 6 6 5 6 6 6 5 4 6 6 4 4 6 6 7 6 6 6 6 7 6 7 190
Balrog 4 5 5 4 - 6 6 4 6 6 4 5 6 5 5 6 6 4 5 6 6 6 5 6 6 5 6 5 6 6 7 6 7 6 7 188
Cammy 4 4 4 4 4 - 4 6 6 5 6 6 6 5 5 6 4 4 4 6 6 6 5 6 6 6 7 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 183
Ryu 5 6 4 4 4 6 - 4 5 5 5 4 6 4 4 5 6 6 6 4 5 6 5 6 6 6 6 7 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 182
Abel 4 5 4 6 6 4 6 - 5 6 5 7 6 4 5 6 5 5 5 4 5 6 6 5 5 5 6 4 5 5 6 6 5 7 6 180
Rufus 6 5 4 4 4 4 5 5 - 4 4 6 5 5 6 6 4 4 4 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 180
Sagat 4 6 4 4 4 5 5 4 6 - 5 4 5 4 6 6 5 7 6 6 5 5 5 5 6 5 5 7 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 180
Seth 5 6 5 6 6 4 5 5 6 5 - 5 5 6 5 5 5 7 5 5 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 7 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 180
Dhalsim 5 6 5 7 5 4 6 3 4 6 5 - 5 5 6 6 5 6 6 4 5 4 6 4 4 6 4 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 5 179
Akuma 6 5 4 6 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 - 5 4 4 6 6 5 5 5 6 6 5 6 5 5 7 6 6 6 6 6 5 6 178
Fei L. 4 5 4 4 5 5 6 6 5 6 4 5 5 - 5 5 5 4 4 5 5 5 6 4 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 178
Rose 5 5 5 4 5 5 6 5 4 4 5 4 6 5 - 4 5 4 5 5 6 5 5 5 5 6 5 7 5 5 7 6 6 6 6 176
Blanka 6 4 4 5 4 4 5 4 4 4 5 4 6 5 6 - 6 6 5 5 5 4 5 6 5 5 6 7 6 6 6 6 6 4 6 175
Ken 4 5 5 4 4 6 4 5 6 5 5 5 4 5 5 4 - 6 5 5 5 5 6 5 5 5 5 6 5 5 6 7 6 6 6 175
Zangief 4 4 6 4 6 6 4 5 6 3 3 4 4 6 6 4 4 - 5 5 6 5 5 6 5 6 5 4 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 174
Dee Jay 4 4 5 4 5 6 4 5 6 4 5 4 5 6 5 5 5 5 - 5 5 5 6 5 5 5 5 4 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 172
Adon 4 3 4 5 4 4 6 6 5 4 5 6 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 - 5 6 5 5 5 6 5 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 171
Ibuki 4 4 4 6 4 4 5 5 4 5 6 5 5 5 4 5 5 4 5 5 - 6 5 6 5 5 6 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 170
Vega 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 6 4 5 5 6 5 5 5 4 4 - 6 5 5 5 6 7 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 170
Cody 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 4 4 5 6 4 4 4 5 5 4 5 4 5 5 4 - 5 4 6 6 6 6 6 5 6 6 6 6 168
C. Viper 6 3 4 6 4 4 4 5 4 5 5 6 5 6 5 4 5 4 5 5 4 5 5 - 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 168
Fuerte 5 4 4 6 4 4 4 5 4 4 5 6 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 - 6 5 5 5 5 6 6 5 5 6 168
Dudley 4 4 4 4 5 4 4 5 4 5 5 4 5 4 4 5 5 4 5 4 5 5 4 5 4 - 5 4 5 6 5 6 6 6 6 160
Gouken 4 5 4 4 4 3 4 4 4 5 5 6 5 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 - 6 5 5 5 4 5 6 6 159
T. Hawk 3 3 4 3 5 5 3 6 4 3 3 4 3 4 3 3 4 6 6 6 6 3 4 5 5 6 4 - 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 157
Juri 4 3 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 5 5 4 4 4 5 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 4 - 5 4 5 6 6 6 156
Sakura 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 4 5 4 4 4 5 4 5 4 5 5 5 4 4 5 5 4 5 4 5 - 6 5 5 6 6 155
Guy 4 3 4 4 3 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 4 4 3 4 4 4 4 5 5 4 5 5 4 5 5 4 6 4 - 5 6 6 6 149
Gen 4 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 6 4 5 5 5 - 6 6 6 145
Dan 3 3 4 3 3 4 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 5 4 4 5 4 4 - 6 5 139
Hakan 4 3 3 4 4 4 4 3 4 4 4 4 5 4 4 6 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 - 6 139
Makoto 4 3 3 3 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 3 4 4 4 4 5 4 - 131
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February 2010 Tier Rankings for Street Fighter IV



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SAGAT - 6 5 6 6 7 6 6 7 6 6 6 7 6 6 6 5 6 6 6 6 7 6 7 7 148
RYU 4 - 5 5 6 5 5 5 5 6 5 5 6 6 6 6 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 134
AKUMA 5 5 - 5 5 7 6 6 5 5 5 6 5 5 6 5 5 5 4 6 6 7 6 6 7 133
BALROG 4 5 5 - 5 4 4 6 6 5 6 5 5 6 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 132
RUFUS 4 4 5 5 - 4 6 6 5 4 6 6 6 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 7 132
ZANGIEF 3 5 3 6 6 - 5 2 4 6 6 7 5 5 6 6 5 7 7 6 6 5 7 6 7 131
CHUN-LI 4 5 4 6 4 5 - 5 5 6 4 6 6 5 6 6 6 6 5 6 6 6 5 6 7 130
SETH 4 5 4 4 4 8 5 - 5 5 5 5 6 6 5 6 6 6 5 6 5 7 6 6 6 130
BLANKA 3 5 5 4 5 6 5 5 - 4 5 4 5 5 6 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 7 127
M. BISON 4 4 5 5 6 4 4 5 6 - 6 6 5 5 5 6 5 5 5 6 6 3 6 6 7 125
C. VIPER 4 5 5 4 4 4 6 5 5 4 - 5 4 5 5 5 6 5 5 6 6 7 5 6 6 122
ABEL 4 5 4 5 4 3 4 5 6 4 5 - 5 5 5 6 6 4 5 5 5 6 5 6 5 117
E. HONDA 3 4 5 5 4 5 4 4 5 5 6 5 - 5 5 4 4 6 5 6 6 4 5 6 6 117
GOUKEN 4 4 5 4 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 - 5 4 6 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 117
KEN 4 4 4 5 5 4 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 - 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 5 6 6 117
ROSE 4 4 5 4 5 4 4 4 5 4 5 4 6 6 5 - 5 5 5 5 6 5 5 5 6 116
DHALSIM 5 5 5 4 4 5 4 4 5 5 4 4 6 4 5 5 - 5 5 5 4 7 5 5 5 115
FEI LONG 4 4 5 4 4 3 4 4 4 5 5 6 4 5 5 5 5 - 5 6 5 5 6 5 6 114
CAMMY 4 4 6 4 4 3 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 - 4 4 4 5 5 6 112
SAKURA 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 4 6 - 6 5 6 5 5 110
EL FUERTE 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 4 4 5 4 5 4 4 6 5 6 4 - 6 5 5 5 109
GUILE 3 4 3 4 4 5 4 3 4 7 3 4 6 5 5 5 3 5 6 5 4 - 5 6 6 109
GEN 4 4 4 4 4 3 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 5 4 5 5 - 5 5 108
VEGA 3 4 4 4 3 4 4 4 3 4 4 4 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 5 - 5 102
DAN 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 3 3 4 5 4 4 4 4 5 4 4 5 5 4 5 5 - 93


October 2009 Tier Rankings for Street Fighter IV



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SAGAT - 6 6 5 6 7 5 6 6 6 6 7 6 6 6 6 5 6 7 6 6 6 6 7 7 146
BALROG 4 - 5 5 6 4 5 6 5 5 6 5 6 5 6 6 6 6 5 6 6 6 6 6 7 133
RUFUS 4 5 - 4 5 4 5 6 6 5 6 6 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 7 133
RYU 5 5 6 - 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 133
BLANKA 4 4 5 5 - 7 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 4 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 7 131
ZANGIEF 3 6 6 5 3 - 4 2 5 6 6 5 5 6 6 7 5 7 5 7 6 7 6 6 7 131
AKUMA 5 5 5 5 5 6 - 6 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 6 5 5 6 4 6 6 6 6 7 130
SETH 4 4 4 5 5 8 4 - 5 5 5 6 6 5 6 5 6 6 7 5 6 6 5 6 6 130
CHUN-LI 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 - 6 4 6 5 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 6 5 6 6 7 129
M. BISON 4 5 5 5 5 4 5 5 4 - 6 5 5 5 6 6 5 5 4 5 6 6 6 5 7 124
C. VIPER 4 4 4 5 5 4 5 5 6 4 - 4 5 5 5 5 6 5 7 5 6 5 6 6 6 122
E. HONDA 3 5 4 5 5 5 5 4 4 5 6 - 5 5 4 5 4 6 4 5 6 5 6 5 6 117
GOUKEN 4 4 5 4 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 - 5 4 5 6 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 117
KEN 4 5 5 4 4 4 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 - 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 117
ROSE 4 4 5 4 5 4 5 4 4 4 5 6 6 5 - 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 6 116
ABEL 4 4 4 5 6 3 4 5 4 4 5 5 5 5 6 - 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 114
DHALSIM 5 4 4 5 4 5 5 4 4 5 4 6 4 5 5 5 - 5 6 5 5 5 4 5 5 114
FEI LONG 4 4 4 4 4 3 5 4 4 5 5 4 5 5 5 6 5 - 5 5 6 6 5 5 6 114
GUILE 3 5 4 4 4 5 4 3 5 6 3 6 5 5 5 5 4 5 - 6 5 5 5 5 6 113
CAMMY 4 4 4 4 4 3 6 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 - 4 5 4 5 6 112
SAKURA 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 4 5 6 - 6 6 5 5 110
GEN 4 4 4 4 4 3 4 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 5 5 4 - 5 5 5 108
EL FUERTE 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 4 4 4 5 4 4 5 6 5 5 6 4 5 - 5 5 108
VEGA 3 4 3 4 3 4 4 4 4 5 4 5 5 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 - 5 105
DAN 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 - 93



April 2009 Tier Rankings with Console Characters



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RYU 5 - 5 6 5 5 6 5 5 5 5 6 5 6 6 6 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 135
ZANGIEF 3 5 - 6 6 4 4 6 6 3 6 6 5 5 5 6 5 7 7 6 7 7 6 6 7 134
RUFUS 4 4 4 - 5 5 5 6 5 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 133
BALROG 4 5 4 5 - 5 6 5 5 6 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 7 132
AKUMA 5 5 6 5 5 - 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 6 5 5 5 5 6 6 4 6 6 6 7 129
BLANKA 4 4 6 5 4 5 - 5 4 5 5 5 5 6 5 5 6 6 4 6 6 6 7 6 7 127
CHUN LI 4 5 4 4 5 5 5 - 6 5 4 5 6 5 6 6 5 5 6 6 5 6 6 6 7 127
M. BISON 4 5 4 5 5 5 6 4 - 5 6 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 5 6 7 125
SETH 4 5 7 4 4 5 5 5 5 - 3 5 6 5 6 6 6 6 5 3 6 6 6 6 6 125
C. VIPER 5 5 4 4 5 5 5 6 4 7 - 5 4 6 5 5 6 5 5 6 5 5 6 5 5 123
KEN 4 4 4 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 - 6 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 5 6 6 6 120
E. HONDA 3 5 5 4 5 5 5 4 5 4 6 4 - 4 5 5 4 6 4 6 5 5 5 6 6 116
GUILE 3 4 5 4 5 4 4 5 6 5 4 5 6 - 5 5 4 5 5 5 6 5 5 5 6 116
GOUKEN 4 4 5 5 4 5 5 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 - 4 6 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 116
ROSE 4 4 4 5 4 5 5 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 6 - 5 5 5 6 5 5 4 5 6 116
DHALSIM 5 5 5 4 4 5 4 5 5 4 4 5 6 6 4 5 - 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 115
FEI LONG 4 4 3 4 4 5 4 5 5 4 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 - 7 5 5 6 5 5 6 115
ABEL 4 4 3 4 4 4 6 4 4 5 5 5 6 5 5 5 5 3 - 5 5 5 6 5 5 112
EL FUERTE 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 7 4 4 4 5 5 4 6 5 5 - 6 5 5 6 5 112
CAMMY 4 4 3 4 4 6 4 5 4 4 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 4 - 5 5 5 6 111
GEN 4 4 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 - 5 5 5 108
VEGA 3 4 4 4 4 4 3 4 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 5 5 4 5 5 5 - 5 5 107
SAKURA 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 - 5 106
DAN 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 5 5 4 5 5 5 - 94

Tier listing for 2009 — Japanese Arcade Release

This tier ranking was based on the arcade release shortly before the XBox 360 and PlayStation 3 versions of the title were released, as such the home-release only characters are not included.

Sagat Ryu Zang. Balr. Bison Akuma Chun Blan. Rufus Viper Ken Dhal. Abel Guile Honda Fuerte Vega Wins
Sagat - 5 7 6 6 5 6 6 7 6 6 5 6 7 7 6 7 98
Ryu 5 - 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 5 6 6 6 6 6 88
Zang. 3 5 - 5 6 5 5 4 6 6 6 6 7 5 5 6 6 86
Balr. 4 5 5 - 5 6 4 7 5 5 5 6 5 5 5 6 6 84
Bison 4 5 4 5 - 5 5 6 6 6 6 5 6 4 5 6 6 84
Akuma 5 5 5 4 5 - 6 4 5 5 6 5 6 6 5 6 6 84
Chun 4 5 5 6 5 4 - 5 4 4 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 83
Blan. 4 5 6 3 4 6 5 - 5 5 6 5 5 6 5 6 6 82
Rufus 3 4 4 5 4 5 6 5 - 6 5 6 5 6 6 6 6 82
Viper 4 4 4 5 4 5 6 5 4 - 5 6 5 6 3 6 6 78
Ken 4 4 4 5 4 4 5 4 5 5 - 5 5 5 6 6 6 77
Dhal. 5 5 4 4 5 5 4 5 4 4 5 - 5 6 6 4 5 76
Abel 4 4 3 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 - 5 6 5 6 75
Guile 3 4 5 5 6 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 5 - 6 6 5 74
Honda 3 4 5 5 5 5 4 5 4 7 4 4 4 4 - 5 5 73
Fuerte 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 6 5 4 5 - 5 69
Vega 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 5 5 5 - 67

Tier listing for 2008 — Japanese Arcade Release

The newer chart above altered these rankings quite a bit. Crimson Viper moved up 4 spots, and several other characters moved or dropped a couple of positions.

Sagat Bison Ryu Zang. Akuma Balr. Rufus Blan. Chun Ken Abel Guile Dhal. Viper Honda Fuerte Vega Wins
Sagat - 5 5 6 6 5 6 6 6 6 6 7 6 6 7 6 7 96
Bison 5 - 5 5 5 5 6 6 4 6 6 3 6 7 6 6 7 88
Ryu 5 5 - 5 5 5 6 5 6 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 88
Zang. 4 5 5 - 5 6 5 4 7 6 6 6 6 7 5 5 6 88
Akuma 4 5 5 5 - 5 6 5 5 4 6 5 5 5 6 5 6 82
Balr. 5 5 5 4 5 - 5 5 6 5 4 5 6 6 5 5 6 82
Rufus 4 4 4 5 4 5 - 5 5 6 5 6 5 6 6 6 6 82
Blan. 4 4 5 6 5 5 5 - 5 5 5 5 5 6 4 6 6 81
Chun 4 6 4 3 5 4 5 5 - 5 6 6 5 5 6 6 6 81
Ken 4 4 5 4 6 5 4 5 5 - 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 80
Abel 4 4 5 4 4 6 5 5 4 5 - 6 5 5 6 5 6 79
Guile 3 7 4 4 5 5 4 5 4 5 4 - 5 5 5 6 6 77
Dhal. 4 4 4 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 - 5 5 5 5 75
Viper 4 3 4 3 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 - 5 6 5 72
Honda 3 4 4 5 4 5 4 6 4 4 4 5 5 5 - 5 5 72
Fuerte 4 4 4 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 5 4 5 4 5 - 5 71
Vega 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 - 66

Contributions to these tier listings by UltraDavid, Henaki, Big_Matt, Bebop3000, Fstrike, FarPlaner, DeathScythe and HawkinsT.

Posted by TomatoPostcard on February 27, 2010 at 2:42 p.m. #1

Oh, Fuerte is still low tier... oh well i still love him.

 

Posted by backtothetop on February 27, 2010 at 2:46 p.m. #2

ryu is back up their woot woot

 

Posted by Burn on February 27, 2010 at 2:55 p.m. #3

Man, I always hate it when I use characters that are higher on the tier list. Akuma used to be mid-tier, now he is high. I disgust myself... Oh well, at least I don't play like a scrub. : )

 

Posted by OctopusOnFire on February 27, 2010 at 2:55 p.m. #4

i don't really understand how Blanka has an advantage on Cammy and that Dhalsim is even...

 

Posted by old skool on February 27, 2010 at 2:55 p.m. #5

How the hell are Gen and Guile low tiers?

 

Posted by Dhalsim on February 27, 2010 at 3 p.m. #6

Why is he so low?...

 

Posted by shiryu22 on February 27, 2010 at 3:01 p.m. #7

Sagat = SAGODDDD

 

Posted by Struggs on February 27, 2010 at 3:02 p.m. #8

@old skool

Gen and Guile just aren't that good in this game and that's it. Both are getting big upgrades in Super SF4.

 

Posted by Anonymous on February 27, 2010 at 3:02 p.m. #9

What's Rose doing all the way up there? Other than Dan, she's got to be the least intimidating console character.

Then again, if this is taken from a Japanese tier list I guess it's not too surprising. They don't use the console version in tourneys so I get the feeling they're just sort of guessing with the console exclusive chars.

Not sure I agree with Cammy vs Fuerte being 4-6 in Fuerte's favor either. He seems to have way more trouble with her pressure than vice versa.

 

Posted by Rock Lobster on February 27, 2010 at 3:06 p.m. #10

how are these lists determined?

 

Posted by darko_p86 on February 27, 2010 at 3:16 p.m. #11

I dont care what rank or tier Guile is in, im still maining him. i find it dumb to play a character just cuz they are high on the tier. All i ask for is another special move

 

Posted by Guess? on February 27, 2010 at 3:25 p.m. #12

I love how Sagat is slowly inching away from the rest of the class. +11 => +13 => +14

 

Posted by The Kid on February 27, 2010 at 3:26 p.m. #13

AH AH!

The only counterpick to Sagat is... Dhalsim!!!

 

Posted by @11 on February 27, 2010 at 3:28 p.m. #14

That's why Remy is my favourite "Guile Style" SF fighter. He has the Sonic Boom, Flash Kick and a bunch of other Guile movies like his ducking Heavy Kick. He also has a Launcher which works great with the Flash Kick and he has a QCB Kick dive kick thing.

 

Posted by TheKid on February 27, 2010 at 3:30 p.m. #15

lol at claw still being 2nd worst tier. I can own fireball spammers with claw all the time and they complain to me that hes cheap. Fuerte is terrible and should switch spots with dan because he is worthless. his normals are way to slow and can be countered by a jab from anyone. all you have to do if a fuerte keeps doing strong tostadas is to light dp and it hits him out. ive never lost to a fuerte and im a g1-b dan/claw/cammy player.

 

Posted by guile on February 27, 2010 at 3:32 p.m. #16

needs better footsies too. too predictable.

sonic boom -> dash -> poke

on opponent's wakeup

sonic boom -> dash -> poke.

needs more mixup.

 

Posted by @ RockLobster on February 27, 2010 at 3:34 p.m. #17

i believe that they are based off of tournament results.

 

Posted by Horrible Tier List on February 27, 2010 at 3:34 p.m. #18

Tier list for console characters such garbage. 5-5 for Cammy and Honda? Are you serious? Honda has the tools, health, and power to keep her out. It's at least 6-4 in Honda's favor.

 

Posted by Benjibean on February 27, 2010 at 3:35 p.m. #19

Can someone explain why or how the tiers keep changing to make characters move up/down akuma jumped all over the place?!

 

Posted by PPL on February 27, 2010 at 3:36 p.m. #20

keep in mind that these are based off how much the character has won in tournaments. therefore the more popular a ccharacter is, the more likely they are to place high regardless of how well the matchup is.

when a character gets used exccessively in tournaments, they're bound to place high.

 

Posted by Jcool813 on February 27, 2010 at 3:37 p.m. #21

how is seth vs rog 6-4 in rog's favor? fighting against seth is a difficult match up for rog.

 

Posted by bcuz on February 27, 2010 at 3:37 p.m. #22

balrog punches seth once = KO.

 

Posted by Max on February 27, 2010 at 3:39 p.m. #23

Even though this list is probably the most accurate one...

I do not agree on Blanka vs Sim is 5-5... this is so lopesided favoured for Sim.... if you people actually watch all the high level sim and Blanka players....AND plays Blanka... you can easily put this match-up as 4-6 for Blanka... I would even argue this is a 3-7...its that bad..

 

Posted by Amnesiac on February 27, 2010 at 3:40 p.m. #24

Dang, Abel made a nice leap.
:D

 

Posted by 121342424 on February 27, 2010 at 3:42 p.m. #25

Haha Sagat is now 6-4 on on sagats favour
and i understand why akuma went up so much

 

Posted by list on February 27, 2010 at 3:43 p.m. #26

this list is fuced....

where did you guys get this from./

 

Posted by Tiers on February 27, 2010 at 3:48 p.m. #27

ah Vega always almost last, why must i always like him so much!

 

Posted by Cali Kid on February 27, 2010 at 3:51 p.m. #28

Abel/Cammy... idk i guess its 5/5, but more in the realm of 5.5 Cammy's favor no biggie
Viper is too low imo

 

Posted by CHiNeSeDrAgOnST on February 27, 2010 at 3:55 p.m. #29

i love how Chun is slowly working her way up there.

 

Posted by Guile's Tier Drop on February 27, 2010 at 3:56 p.m. #30

CALLED IT! How did I know? I had stated on some random username i posted earlier that people have maxed him out and he would drop. I predicted that over time Guile would fall below everyone except Dan and Vega. Gen is still underneath him though. Even now I predict that if theres another tier list that comes out, I predict Guile will fall below even him.

This basically proves the Guile-needs-a-buff crowd vs those people who said you basically just have to learn to use him. THE REASON GUILE APPEARED MERELY AVERAGE LOW TIER AND NOT BOTTOM OF THE BARREL WAS BECAUSE GUILE PLAYERS ARE VERY GOOD GUILE PLAYERS WHO MAXED HIM OUT EARLY due to his limited options and the fact a lot of them had been playing him since the early 90s (since hes been around so long). His limited options made it a matter of time also before he was figured out.

Other people said "dude, hes sucky but not that bad. just look at the tier lists" - which at the time showed he was just average low tier

well look at the tier list now. Anyone who kknew what they were talking about back then knew this would happen.

Plus he (along with Vega) demands more attention anyways. Guile round since the beginning of SF2. He spawned an entire gameplay style (charlie, remy, guile style). He has an entirely unique style and aesthetic appeal - i mean hes the family man. People who play him do so because its not the same playing with others. This dude definitely warrants the attention for a serious buff. And if doesnt get one, at least introduce someone from his camp like Charlie and make em competitive. We need a decent person from that camp.

 

Posted by Jerseyfame on February 27, 2010 at 4:07 p.m. #31

Guile is horrible...

yesterday I played 18 matches and won 3.

Ryu owned me with simple tactics like continuous tick throw loops...

Abel owned me by simply being tougher, taking damage better and being able to roll around like an idiot nullifying any of my attempts at offense...

Ken owned me boy Kara throwing and kicking me out of my flash kick consistently...

Sagat was going to lose but then came back and took 65% off my life bar ftw after a trade. He then went on to high kick ultra me to death...

The list goes on...Guess who i beat.

Zangief, and Gen.

Lol Guile is a Joke and Capcom did this on purpose. Seth says it himself...

"Shortcuts were added to assist the noobs and make the game easier for them to play."

Meanwhile Guile has 1 frame links (which is 10 of 10 difficulty to pull off)

Guile has the hardest super motion period.

Guile has no juggle into ultra

Guile takes damage poorly

Guile gives damage poorly

Guile has 2 specials

1 of Guiles specials can be owned by normal moves...

Guile jump in Hard Kick is only active for a short period of time and will actually pass though opponents if not timed correctly.

So what is so newb friendly about Guile huh?

Guile sucks...Street Fighter sucks because Guile sucks.

In 1992 I walked into hudson lanes bowling alley and put a quarter into Street Fighter 2 World Warrior...I cycled through all the characters and finally chose Guile, who at the time I called "Gwee-lee".

It is now 2010 and he sucks in comparison to his 1992 version. Shame on you game developers and programmers. You ruined the best guy in the whole game.

 

Posted by Munty on February 27, 2010 at 4:07 p.m. #32

lolololz at about half of Gen's matchups. Do they just pull this sht out of a hat? Oh yes, I forgot, Yeb has consistently proven Gen to be the 3rd worst character in the game. . . sure.

 

Posted by ChunLiLover51 on February 27, 2010 at 4:18 p.m. #33

Why does Chun Li have a higher chance of beating RYU rather than ken?

 

Posted by ChunLiLover51 on February 27, 2010 at 4:29 p.m. #34

I have only played SF2 championship edition and SFIV and I agree that guile has always been better in the other SF games. His super and Ultra do not do alot of damage and unlike most other characters, he does not have any reliable juggles into his ultra or super that would be worth doing. Guile needs more mixup options and a move that is a 2 hit besides the 1 overhead that is a 2 hit. Give him a reliable normal that can launch opponents and focus cancel it into and ultra or super and I guarantee you guile would be better. That is the only thing stopping me as a Chun Li player from picking up guile.

 

Posted by ChunLiLover51 on February 27, 2010 at 4:32 p.m. #35

I sometimes feel that the throw system sucks, because it is abused. Most of the matches I lose, are due to throw spammers, which it requires NO skill to throw.

 

Posted by EasierToRun09 on February 27, 2010 at 4:41 p.m. #36

I have to be honest, I did not see Akuma going up to the 3rd spot there. Glad to see Abel raised a few spots if I'm not mistaken...?

 

Posted by Madness on February 27, 2010 at 4:43 p.m. #37

This is the most accurate list they've done to date, gen is still probably better than guile though, and sagat vs ryu is 5-5. Man...sure can't wait to hear all of what's changed, they better not have left guile basically the same because seth HATES being asked about guile it seems.

 

Posted by Satsui No Hado on February 27, 2010 at 4:47 p.m. #38

Well I would have to say that this is probably the most accurate tier list so far. Also I may add that for Akuma being in 3rd place in SFIV I predict because of his nerf's and his wack a$$ U2 he will drop to maybe and I say maybe 8 to 10th place, hence is why Capcom needs to give the "Master of the Fists" his KKZ or Messatsu Go Hado instead of the looney toon U2. I don't care that they took the s.HK loop or the FB, FADC into the s.HK(which only works on high characters) but atleast give him a better U2...

 

Posted by massi4h on February 27, 2010 at 4:50 p.m. #39

I feel that they changed some match numbers from what the should have just so the could put people 1 point apart and say who is higher than who. For instance if Cammy:Akuma is 6:4, then Cammy:Ryu should be 5:5 imo. And Akuma:Abel should be 7:3.

 

Posted by Satsui No Hado on February 27, 2010 at 4:51 p.m. #40

Also I don't see how Akuma vs Cammy is a 6-4 for Cammy...in my matches against Cammy players I barely lose to them and I mean barely. Akuma has too many options and include the vortex and that's more than enough to beat Cammy.

 

Posted by Jimmy on February 27, 2010 at 4:52 p.m. #41

How can Blanka/Boxer be 6-4? One of the hardest matchups in the game :/

 

Posted by Blankano1 on February 27, 2010 at 5:01 p.m. #42

Blanka hardly moves guess that means he a good all rounder character n blanka players r beasts with the beast!!!

 

Posted by Hurr on February 27, 2010 at 5:04 p.m. #43

@ #40.

These tiers assume that if 2 players if, and I quote, "two high-level players of equal skill played against each other using the characters shown."

Your matches against Cammy players, they are most likely not extremely high level, or of equal skill as you, that's why you see such a discrepancy.

 

Posted by HaikuWar on February 27, 2010 at 5:05 p.m. #44

Akuma Jumped Up here because Japanese players found Out so Many Vortex moves and mix up with him ( look up Akuma Vortex Combos ) He has a new combo people picked up with is crazy. This list More accurate. But its a majority of japanese players so American only Tierlist is opposite.

 

Posted by Satsui No Hado on February 27, 2010 at 5:09 p.m. #45

@# 43

True(about the 2 high skilled players going against each other) but I highly doubt it that the highest Cammy player would beat Momochi or Tokeda 6 out 10 then again I haven't heard of any Japanese Cammy player so I wouldn't know either.

 

Posted by Edmond Honda on February 27, 2010 at 5:14 p.m. #46

Rose being virtually equal to Dhalsim is certainly not based on tournament outcomes...

 

Posted by 001 on February 27, 2010 at 5:15 p.m. #47

isnt this sh1t gonna change anyways when SSF4 hits the shelves?? i think so....so why bother with comments or even updating it,when the expansion is just over a month away...and blanka went down 4 spots wtf??!! o wellz he still rapes

 

Posted by chickenwings on February 27, 2010 at 5:29 p.m. #48

Blankas placement is still alittle off.

Cammy hits the ball on block all day and mashing cannon spike on wakeup beats cross ups cause of its horrible hit box(sagat and ryu dont even do this)plus her pokes are somewhat better.

Him beating ken 6/4 makes no sense niether, that match up isnt so different then ryu vs blanka.

Dhalsim should be a loseing match, again he shuts down the ball completely just like balrog does and in close blanka isnt all that hot since he lacks the bites that he had in turbo.

Honda and abel are toss ups. outside of that it doesnt look to bad for blankas placement. But alot of things there just dont make no sense. The biggest one being that ryu loses to sagat. Thats a joke.

 

Posted by @36 on February 27, 2010 at 5:36 p.m. #49

akuma is top tier. nigga has the 2nd most showing in top 50 on bp (arcade JPN not the console crap). moreso than ryu.

 

Posted by Madness on February 27, 2010 at 5:38 p.m. #50

I don't see how guile has a 70% advantage vs bison either......

I'd say gen has an advantage over him since a high level player could use his parry and high level gules rarely use flashkick

I guess cammy has the advantage vs akuma because of the damage, fact that he can't use his air fireball,vortex less effective, and can't teleport without being punished

Atleast that's what i heard. Ken needs to get in on blanka and blanka can turtle on him all day while he hurts himself, can't do that like he can agaisnt ryu who is better at everything

 

Posted by Stang on February 27, 2010 at 5:41 p.m. #51

@48

There is a giant difference between Ken/Ryu vs Blanka. Ryu can ultra a blocked horizontal ball, Ken can't. That match up is horrible for Ken.

 

Posted by Chickenwings on February 27, 2010 at 5:49 p.m. #52

@madness

Its not easy to see but its there. Guiles air throw and normals eat alot of bisons options(head stomps, dr, and his jumpings strong which btw takes away his only ultra setup). Then u have to factor in that with guiles quick recover on sonic booms hiting him with an ex scissors or if spaced right jump in attempts(low fierce is VERY good for guile in this match, it will beat headstomp and dr's). Guile has the advantage, the trick is the guile player has to be REALLY on his game and know what hes doing to take advantage of it. Its not gonna be easy.

 

Posted by @51 on February 27, 2010 at 5:49 p.m. #53

and thats why ken is at the bottom as appose to the top of the list...

 

Posted by Chickenwings on February 27, 2010 at 5:55 p.m. #54

@stang

He cant hit it with ultra unless hes in the corner, otherwise he cant. He can hit it with super but people normaly dont have it anyway. Ken has stuff to deal with blanka, his step kick is good, his kara throw is great, on wake up mashing low shorts on blanka works and allows u to chain some together and hit confirm into a combo. The ken player just has to put in work. Once u press the corner every blanka ball is unsafe and upball(blankas main reversal move) can be punished with either a nice combo or ultra on block and on hit.

 

Posted by ? on February 27, 2010 at 5:56 p.m. #55

I disagree with this. El Fuerte beats Sagat. El Fuerte makes Sagats zoning useless with whiffed Guacomole slews and wall jump into a tostada press. Sagat has to fight hand to hand against El Fuerte, where sagat would lose.

And Seth shouldnt be that high in my opinion. He should be at Honda's level because of stun and damage.

 

Posted by Hobohitman on February 27, 2010 at 5:59 p.m. #56

There should be a disclaimer by akumas name in the placement. Hes the only one there that has to put in work to win and that cant get a meat head easy ultra combo and come back. Hes a good character, the only thing i hate about him is his run away game but that really isnt his fault, blame it on the size of the stage.

 

Posted by seanomega on February 27, 2010 at 6 p.m. #57

Don't you realize the characters are the same ones since the game came out? There is no difference between them. So you basically have 3 opinions and none of them are the end of any disscussion.

 

Posted by Hmm.. gen's low tier on February 27, 2010 at 6:01 p.m. #58

it's a good thing that tier listings dont actually mean how good a character is, just how well he is played in tournaments.

 

Posted by @57 on February 27, 2010 at 6:02 p.m. #59

are you stupid? duh, the characters are the same. it's because people find out new things.

 

Posted by @15 on February 27, 2010 at 6:09 p.m. #60

Kai would like a word with you.

 

Posted by Twin Rhapsody on February 27, 2010 at 6:09 p.m. #61

I don't quite get how Seth vs. Gouken is 6-4 Seth's favor, Gouken guesses right with a parry, that's 25% of Seth's health gone. Factor in Gouken has a guaranteed Stun combo on Seth in the corner, which only costs 1 EX, Seth can't screw up at all. Guess I'll put it this way, if Akuma vs. Gouken is 5-5, I see no reason the Seth matchup is 6-4.

Also, why is the Rose matchup 6-4 Rose's favor as well? don't quite get that either, but then again, I've never fought a good Rose, they're non-existant online, save for 2 or 3 noteworthy ones.

 

Posted by @15 on February 27, 2010 at 6:21 p.m. #62

you're playing against weak players. vega sucks.

 

Posted by seanomega on February 27, 2010 at 6:21 p.m. #63

i am a little stupid. But, i haven't heard anything new between the 2nd and 3rd tier lists.

 

Posted by dammitGUILE! on February 27, 2010 at 6:33 p.m. #64

This is the reason y my 2nd is main chun now. i figured he would drop even tho i think alot of ppl yelling "GUILE SUCKS!" had alot to do with it. But i always knew he was trash. I just like playing with chars i like instead of paying attn 2 a tier list. give this man another move!!! XD

 

Posted by Th3 JoK3R J on February 27, 2010 at 6:33 p.m. #65

Why i keep seeing all these people talk about how poor Guile is and one of yall put him in the same league with vega and i was like wtf vega need way more attention and beef ups then guile >_>...

 

Posted by Th3 JoK3R J on February 27, 2010 at 6:38 p.m. #66

i was really replying to jerseyfame

 

Posted by @Jerseyfame on February 27, 2010 at 6:51 p.m. #67

Jerseyfame.... I LOVE YOU!!!

I rolled.. all over the floor.. in laughter.

 

Posted by RHayabusa on February 27, 2010 at 6:57 p.m. #68

So the weaker have gotten weaker and Sagat stronger? Of course this should be taken with a grain of salt but I feel it's pretty accurate. I think Vega's win against Blanka should be even lower from my personal play on XBL I find him extremely hard to beat...

 

Posted by Buff deniers on February 27, 2010 at 6:58 p.m. #69

number 66 - ur right (im not jerseyfame), thats why whenever i say Guile needs a buff i also mention Vega somewhere in my post. Vega is the one other character that needs more attention that Guile

One thing though is that almost no one argues against the idea that Vega needs the buff but MANY people do with Guile. On SNK and other boards a minority of both Guile main's and non main's insist hes not that bad. One reason they say is cuz hes not that low tier - which has now been officially disapproven FINALLY.

(other thing is that Guile fans have grown used to the fact that Guile is impossibly hard to win with that they've begun to even like it. Plus they're afraid of bandwagon jumpers with a buff. DUMB, DUMB, DUMB excuses)

The reason people like myself are louder for Guile buffs is because of the fact he has deniers, Vega doesn't.

 

Posted by endo on February 27, 2010 at 7:05 p.m. #70

Does anyone know how these tiers are made? Are they still calculated from japanese tournament results? Either way the broad order seems to be correct according to my limited experience. Technically I've seen just about every character able to dominate in the right hands, with the exception of Dan because not many people play him live...

I played a 2v2 tournament earlier this week and one of the most dominating players used vega. I guess that shows the perspective that a tier list should be approached with...it's all about the player. Only at the very top top level where each character is played to its near full potential would character matchups really come into play. Until you're observing that level, most competition is between someone ok and someone really good. No matter what characters are used, the really good player is likely to win.

That being said...I really hope some kids see this and think they can just pickup akuma and get wins...you definitely need to be a good player in order to even begin seeing success with him.

 

Posted by TheParryisPro on February 27, 2010 at 7:23 p.m. #71

well jersey frame maybe you should get better guile has his fair share of tricks just watch youngprodigy he can win but its not pretty and or look at TKD he can beat 2Dgod with el fuerte for god sake, but im not gunna complain sagat is still top tier and thats whom i play so all this business about guile idgaf.

 

Posted by SuperV on February 27, 2010 at 7:32 p.m. #72

Finally they made Akuma top tier. He definitely is.

 

Posted by Rose is cracked on February 27, 2010 at 7:43 p.m. #73

Why do ppl want Rose to be buffed when she is already a great character with almost all her special moves safes and a move that allows 1ex bar to be charged when absorbing a fireball ?
Just learn to play with her already and stop ask for noobish buffs.

 

Posted by SavingAbel on February 27, 2010 at 8:11 p.m. #74

VEGA same but my ABEL moved p

 

Posted by #73 on February 27, 2010 at 8:27 p.m. #75

If a character isn't high tier, and somebody plays that character, they generally ask for buffs/for that character to be higher on the list.
People are under the mistaken impression that tiers dictate how well they, personally, can do.

 

Posted by mikey on February 27, 2010 at 8:28 p.m. #76

still dont understand why the fxckin' hell is Gouken banned from tournaments when it's Sagat is obviously hugely overpowered! Sagat should be banned for good and kept away from the roster unless u use a cheat like eyedol in killer instinct.

 

Posted by Amar on February 27, 2010 at 8:29 p.m. #77

Lawl Cammy>Rufus. Srzly.

 

Posted by mikey on February 27, 2010 at 8:30 p.m. #78

or make Sagat the only player that doesnt have an Ultra. I bet he still be top tier but it de more fair.

 

Posted by Amar on February 27, 2010 at 8:31 p.m. #79

I damn well know Cammy is far superior to Fail-long. She has everything a top tier character has.

 

Posted by Nemo and Nuki SMH @ you on February 27, 2010 at 8:32 p.m. #80

Chun player above, Chun has good throws, instead of complaining about being thrown, start throwing with her!

 

Posted by GetyourBannedGoukenTourney.com?! on February 27, 2010 at 8:33 p.m. #81

"still dont understand why the fxckin' hell is Gouken banned from tournaments"

Those are some terrible tournaments then, so much so nobody knows about them or you just made that up or something.

 

Posted by ^at u on February 27, 2010 at 8:41 p.m. #82

google em b4 u comment. they do exist and some ban Seth also but those are the ones that suck.

 

Posted by lol -.- on February 27, 2010 at 8:58 p.m. #83

No way Gen is that low. Just because many fail with him. In the right hands he's one of the more deadly of characters. I mean a lot of the game itself is footsies and pokes and he can turn his BnB poke into 300+ damage... And has really low jumps to go with the ridiculous footsie capablities. Eventhub tierlist = fail.

 

Posted by Jigo on February 27, 2010 at 9:01 p.m. #84

Pretty happy that Sakura keeps jumping.Its tells me she going to be pretty good in SSF4 with the updates shes getting.

 

Posted by americanssssk on February 27, 2010 at 9:02 p.m. #85

The top 4 should be:

Sagat, Ryu, Ken, Zangief
American tier ranking is trash. Who gives a shhht? This is what supposed to be here

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Posted by correction above on February 27, 2010 at 9:04 p.m. #86

Not Sagat, Ryu, Ken, Zangief

Should be Sagat, Akuma, Ryu, Zangief

 

Posted by saintedsinner on February 27, 2010 at 9:31 p.m. #87

wow theres a lot if whinning about sagat on here, that is pretty sad that you cant beat him with your characters.I play with guile and rarely run into a sagat that is much of a problem and thats guiles "worst" match-up."He is too overpowered" I think i even read up there that one of you said he should be a hidden character or you should have to put in a cheat to get him?!?!?!?!? Thats dumb, maybe you should learn how to play because 9 out of 10 sagats are complete garbage and just spam tiger shot and s.hk lol!Stop complaining and start playing.

 

Posted by shannaro!!! on February 27, 2010 at 9:34 p.m. #88

Sometimes, people have trouble reading this thing. So here it goes:

(S Tier)
1st place: Sagat

(A Tier)
2nd place: Ryu

3rd place: Akuma

4th place: Balrog, Rufus

(B Tier)
5th place: Zangief

6th place: Chun-Li, Seth

7th place: Blanka

8th place: M. Bison

9th place: C. Viper

(C Tier)
10th place: Abel, E. Honda, Gouken, Ken

11th place: Rose

12th place: Dhalsim

(D Tier)
13th place: Fei Long

14th Place: Cammy

15th Place: Sakura

16th place: El Fuerte, Guile

17th place: Gen

(F Tier)
18th place: Vega

(Dan Tier)
19th place: Dan

 

Posted by JohnJohnson on February 27, 2010 at 9:37 p.m. #89

Bear with me, I'm going to do something completely unnecessary, mostly because I'm bored. I'm going to have my thoughts on every character. I'll try to keep them short.

Sagat: no surprise, but only 2 5-5 match ups? and how is Ryu on 6-4 in Sagat favor.

Ryu: again not surprise

Akuma: A little high, I don't mind it that he's that high, but it's iffy.

Balrog: fine where he is

Rufus: I think he's a little overrated. Mostly because he needs meter to be good I think. And Blanka is bad match for him not 5-5

Zangeif: he's weird, he ether has great match ups in his favor or really bad one. He's still good

Chun Li: Why can't I fine Chun's online?

Seth: he's this good with poor damage and terrible heath, think about that.

Blanka: slipping a little bit, but how is Sagat a 3-7 match? it's a 4-6 if not a 5-5

Bison: how come he seems to be always in the same spot on the list?

Viper: same thing, hasn't moved at all

Abel: I like that he's this high. Not just because he's my favorite character. However, how come Fei is still a tough match for him?

Honda: Meh, don't really have anything. But if he had a better counter for fire ball characters, he be really good.

Gouken: For a boss character, he's a little low

Ken: Shows you how even though you basically have the same move set, Ultra's will make or brake you.

Rose: I think she's good, but iffy, if you know what mean.

Dhalsim: underrated. Nuff said

Fei Long: I think he can be good, but his overall tools need improvement

Cammy: She's got a great AA, really good rush down style, and her Ultra isn't half bad, and people still think she sucks= underrated.

Sakura: Same with Dhalsim and Cammy, underrated.

El Fuerte': All he has is randomness. Sad, because I kinda like him.

Guile: Another character I think can be good, but is just held back by some bad tools.

Gen: I think Yeb is the only good Gen player, at least the only one I know of. Other wise, I don't think he's any good.

Vega: Like Guile and Fei, needs better tools

Dan: he's Dan, he should be bad, but how is Abel a 5-5 match up?

So those are just my general thoughts, nothing special, just kinda throwing them out there. Can wait for Super!

 

Posted by ChunLover on February 27, 2010 at 10:09 p.m. #90

Wayt to go seeing my girl slowly moving up the tier list! Here's hoping with Kikousho, better AA Ex-SBK and improved stamina in SSF4, she'd be up there with the hard-hitters where she truly belongs. I sure miss being better then every other character. 3S Chun anyone? But I guess she's still doing great!

 

Posted by endo on February 27, 2010 at 10:14 p.m. #91

if chun has improved stamina in ssf4 im a convert...

 

Posted by Th3 JoK3R J on February 27, 2010 at 10:27 p.m. #92

@ endo

Was you the one in the FNEX 2v2 tourney that i fought u with Vega?

 

Posted by shannaro!!! on February 27, 2010 at 10:31 p.m. #93

Here are MY thoughts about this:

Sagat: Seems like he has an advantage againts every single character in the game except for Akuma and Dhalsim, who he's evenly matched with.

Ryu: Nothing to point out, really. Easy to connect Ultra makes him this strong.

Akuma: As the game gets older, this character seems to get stronger. He's being used more effectively.

Balrog: Deserves that spot. Having multiple armor breaking moves helps him.

Rufus: He's the best rush-down character in the game. Of course he'd be up there.

Zangief: He can be either really scary, or not so much.

Chun-Li: She was the best character in 3rd Strike. Since she's a hybrid of her Super Turbo and 3rd Strike counterparts, it's no surprise she's moving up.

Seth: For someone who has the lowest stamina and one of the weakest damage outputs, he sure is beastly.

Blanka: Strong, but he's slightly losing grips.

M. Bison: He has been consistent. Not surprising for a former Boss character.

C. Viper: Her Ultra certainly isn't easy to pull off so it's kind of surprising that she still keeps her place consistently as one of the better characters.

Abel: He's strong but he seems to have trouble againts characters who are effective in the air like Akuma and Chunners.

E. Honda: He would've been better if he had more means of getting past projectiles.

Gouken: You'd think he'd be one of the better characters because he's a boss.

Ken: Just cuz he has the same moves as Ryu doesn't mean he'd be as effective. His Shoryukens are better, but Shoryukens are also easy to punish.

Rose: Pretty good for a console character. She would've been better if her combos were more versatile, and that if it was easier to combo into her ShamWow. Then again, ShamWow is god-like.

Dhalsim: He's one of the more consistent characters in the game; has no terrible match up... except he now has a 7-3 advantage over Guile. That's kind of funny.

Fei Long: He needs to have better assets. His Ultra just isn't very good as the second hit NEEDS to connect in order to get the most damage.

Cammy: She's fast AND strong. But having moves that are either fast but easy to punish or slow enough to get hit out of just hurts her rush-down game. Any mistake you make can cost her a lot.

Sakura: She's quick and agile but she seems to need to hit her opponents A LOT to rack up the damage. She has to do a lot just to win any match. Also, without EX, she becomes less potent.

El Fuerte: He's the kind of character that can guarantee a major loss if you don't know what you're doing.

Guile: He upsets a lot of fans in this game. Nuff said.

Gen: Low stamina, low damage output, a steep learning curve, and 2 fighting styles. Of course he'd end up in that spot.

Vega: Like Guile, he upsets just as many fans.

Dan: It's no surprise, really. But his taunts are god-like.

 

Posted by cRAZYCUBAN on February 27, 2010 at 10:33 p.m. #94

WOW... Guile is def better than the 4 characters above him.. wtf these ppl thinkin

 

Posted by Nelaelu on February 27, 2010 at 10:44 p.m. #95

From now on S-tier means Sagat-tier. As "Guess?" #12 noticed, he is "slowly inching away from the rest of the class. +11 => +13 => +14" Even Dan isn't that far away from everybody... lol!!

It's not a big deal for casual and online matches... but for more serious tournaments that difference is getting too big. 21 Sagats out of 50 best Japanese players... that cannot be fair!

 

Posted by SSJ3X on February 27, 2010 at 11:27 p.m. #96

Oh well, Sakura moved up one slot. I guess that's not too bad lol.

 

Posted by gwee-lee on February 27, 2010 at 11:33 p.m. #97

hahahaha gwee-lee

 

Posted by GUS Hong Kong on February 27, 2010 at 11:44 p.m. #98

I dont think Honda is Tier C in condition that G1 player of PS 3 is strong enough for bench mark, I will go to SG level in next 2 week to see the turth.
I play with Honda in 30 championship record and win rate is almost 80% (22 lose in 109 game), the character so call Tier S or A, I got 75% to 90% win rate. Ryu lose 5 in 17, sagat lose 1 in 10, Akuma lose 1 in 5, M Bison (Dictator) 0 lose in 3.
From my memory, Chun Li, Seth, Rose is more difficult, and a little bit extreme user of Ryu, cammy, sakura & Guile might strong, and the others, normally I got 70% win rate in PS 3 G1 level.

In conclude, no character is weak even I lose with DAN before, and our hong kong No2 is using vega (claw), he's very strong also. To all player who are using tier D character especially Guile (u are very strong if u play tactics well. Im excited while match with u): The only important thing is your skill/ mind/ stretegies & experience.

PS. I just use left hand (with 2 button L1,L2) to finish my final 5000 point (10,000 to 15,000) in G2, compare with DAN, Vega, is that handicap enough?

 

Posted by GUS Hong Kong on February 27, 2010 at 11:54 p.m. #99

Oh missed vs Zangief is 4 lose in 13, and the win rate with tier S & A should be 70% to 90%

 

Posted by @69 on February 28, 2010 at 12:26 a.m. #100

#69: "One thing though is that almost no one argues against the idea that Vega needs the buff but MANY people do with Guile. On SNK and other boards a minority of both Guile main's and non main's insist hes not that bad. One reason they say is cuz hes not that low tier - which has now been officially disapproven FINALLY."

Sorry, but there's nothing "official" about this list or EventHubs' reposting of it. It "proves" nothing—and it says so right at the top.

It also doesn't really matter whether "people say" he does or does not need something. Development is already finished on Super Street Fighter IV; if they ever had a chance to have their opinions on that subject known, they don't have it any more.

 

Posted by Dre Fresh on February 28, 2010 at 1:32 a.m. #101

I'm surprised to see akuma that high, especially with his low life/not being able to take a hit, but can see that being accurate when it comes to high level players and him having an arsenal of moves and one of the strongest Ultras(if ur able to connect with it).

Sagat: not sure why ppl complain so much bout him being as strong and powerful as he is. From a realistic persperctive, I believe the game portrays him pretty accurately. Would it be realistic if zangiefs slams, being as big and monstrous as he is, didn't hurt as much as they do, or if cammy(slim and light weight) wasn't as fast as she is? Besides, he has tons of disadvantages against many of the players whom are quick or have special abilities such as dalshim. Toe to toe and punch vs punch yeah he's definately the best, but somebody had to be. Unless ur a pro gamer and are actually on the same level as players such as daigo, then u need to stop complaining and jus play.

 

Posted by Wakeup Ultra on February 28, 2010 at 2:45 a.m. #102

"Then again, ShamWow is god-like."

LOLWUT. ShamWow is a sham. This ain't February '09, pal.

 

Posted by Ben on February 28, 2010 at 2:56 a.m. #103

no consideration of consoles, no respect for list.

 

Posted by cem on February 28, 2010 at 2:56 a.m. #104

In 3rd Strike nobody talks about Ryu because he is SHHIT there, and now in SFIV everybody talks about Ryu FADC + Ultra bla bla bla bla, peoples are FUUCKING LOSERS.

 

Posted by @100 on February 28, 2010 at 3:04 a.m. #105

lol, you know what I mean. Obviously I didn't mean actually official literally if u want to be a prude.

Nonetheless it is a matter of FACT that the current commonly accepted tier list no longer represent him as being what most call normal "low tier". By the authority of these tier lists - albeit not an official one - Guile is one of the very worst off. Of course the tier lists dont tell u everything - certainly not his fall from grace and his long history and prior solid place in SF franchise that should get him at least some respect.

But ya it seems ur right in the end about ssf4 being finished. whats done is done.

 

Posted by Duckman on February 28, 2010 at 3:20 a.m. #106

I agree with this list 100% except for Gen being so low.. he's very likely top 10. The only problem is there are all but 2 really good Gen players in America, or the world for that matter, and this tier list comes from Japan where they're likely to have very little experience with the character. He has crazy damage output and frustratingly good setups, but you need godlike execution to pull anything off, and very likely this isolates him from a lot of would-be top players.

Also posting to say I literally called the top 7-10 characters in that order in the last discussion.

 

Posted by Guile Ultra Juggle on February 28, 2010 at 3:31 a.m. #107

Standard boom combo -> lk super -> ultra

 

Posted by Duckman on February 28, 2010 at 3:43 a.m. #108

=no damage + scaled to hell

 

Posted by Satsui No Hado on February 28, 2010 at 4:17 a.m. #109

@ #85 (americanssssk )

I can tell you don't know $-it if you say Ken and Gief should be in the top 4...First Ken get's a$$ whip big time against Akuma and so does Gief in American and Japan. Also I will even argue that even in Japan Akuma beats Sagat as well. Mago has the most Bps simply because he has beaten more different characters than against a Akuma players. GTFO with that weak $h-t and go train in SFIV.

 

Posted by Satsui No Hado on February 28, 2010 at 4:20 a.m. #110

BTW how in the hell is sagat v Ryu a 6-4 Sagat???? If I recal didn't Daigo beat Mago 27-3? So how is that a 6-4 Sagat?

 

Posted by ssbigdaddy76 on February 28, 2010 at 4:37 a.m. #111

I don't know why Guile players are offended at his placement on the list. It's not like we didn't already know he's a pretty terrible character. As far as I'm concerned his place is spot on. To people that complain about Guile being a turtle... If you're playing a good Guile, chances are that we're turtling because you're a shoto type character and we have to pick and choose our moments to strike. Taking retarded damage just because we tried to form an offensive strike is ludicrous. If you played him you would learn to do the same after getting smacked by mashed dps all day, and you KNOW IT!

 

Posted by wtf on February 28, 2010 at 4:55 a.m. #112

akuma is not better than balrog..screw this list

 

Posted by Dan on February 28, 2010 at 5:03 a.m. #113

y am i not at the top??

 

Posted by the fat man scoop on February 28, 2010 at 5:28 a.m. #114

gen and guile bottom? lmao- whoever does this is a retard. look at yeb and yibbo- are they just GODLIKE players or are they just pros using a decent character? Gen and guile are not fcking bottom. they should be in with dhalsim/ken/honda/gouken. rose, sakura, elf, vega and dan are bottom tier.

 

Posted by Average Eventhubs Commenter on February 28, 2010 at 6:15 a.m. #115

WTF WHY IS MY MAIN NOT TOP TIER I BEAT SAGATS ALL THE TIME ON XBOX LIVE ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS NOT GET HIT BY TIGER SHOTS AND DPS AND SAGAT IS TOAST HE TOTALLY SUCKS

 

Posted by Alex F. on February 28, 2010 at 7:06 a.m. #116

Gen and Cammy are way off.
Cammy should be at least Mid Tier and Gen not that bad, He's low mid.

 

Posted by Satsui No Hado on February 28, 2010 at 7:10 a.m. #117

@ 112

You crazy if you think Balrog is better than Akuma...

 

Posted by Ryu Apprentice on February 28, 2010 at 8:02 a.m. #118

Vega is my main and I win more with him than with anyone else so why is he on the bottom of the list all the time?

 

Posted by Doppler on February 28, 2010 at 8:06 a.m. #119

Why vega is almost in the last? he is a good character... only pros can play and win with him

 

Posted by azn guy on February 28, 2010 at 8:42 a.m. #120

no offense to the tier list but every character is viable against each other, if you think about, every character has their own specialist, they know the risk of playing their characters.
example of low tier specialist:
ex: sakura - sabre
kai - el fuerte
gen- yeb
aulord/sanford - cammy
etc..

 

Posted by tommikn on February 28, 2010 at 8:45 a.m. #121

balrog is better than sagat in my opinion (: he's just a stupid turtle (:

 

Posted by Blue on February 28, 2010 at 8:51 a.m. #122

7-3 Sagat vs Gen? I don't think so. Thats a 5-5, bub.

 

Posted by THE GODDAMN MASTER on February 28, 2010 at 9:02 a.m. #123

Rufus above Zangief? Seth above M. Bison?
I call bullsh*t.

 

Posted by Tik on February 28, 2010 at 9:29 a.m. #124

Why would Chun-Li have a 6-4 advantage to Balrog? Must be a mistake.

 

Posted by @ Blue on February 28, 2010 at 9:32 a.m. #125

just cuz you see yeb beat a VERY good sagat player using gen doesnt mean thats a 5-5

i'm assuming you saw that match yeb vs floe... cause i have no idea how you'd be able to make such a claim unless you were trollin up in this mother.

here it is, gen.. great against folks who don't understand the match up, however anyone who does know just how to block and punish his moves and makes the match come down to a fight of character fundamentals being the decider..you will indeed find that gen is ass.

 

Posted by @ 124 on February 28, 2010 at 9:55 a.m. #126

Chun's neutral jump roundhouse snuffs most everything. can't headbutt the bitch when she does the crouch forward roundhouse move. And she can trip balrog in mid air. Balrog is overrated. He's only good when he has meter but the likes of ryu sagat and rufus don't really need it. Blanka > Balrog.

 

Posted by Seriously? on February 28, 2010 at 10:04 a.m. #127

Seth vs. Guile is absolutely totally in Guile's favor. It's Seth's worst match up in the entire game at like 7.5 to 3.5 at best. Please change that cause there is now way in HELL Seth has the advantage in that match up. He can't win the fireball war, he can't Ultra him unless he does an EX-Boom, he can't off the wall to get in, he can't teleport in, he basically can't win if played correctly.

 

Posted by Ryu Apprentice on February 28, 2010 at 10:20 a.m. #128

These ratings as far as I know aint mean squat.

Anyways its just based on tournament play anyway. For such ratings why dont they host a tourney for best character players then match the best in a round robin league format to find out the correct tier

 

Posted by shannaro!!! on February 28, 2010 at 10:26 a.m. #129

I still LOL at the fact that Akuma is either equally matched or has an advantage over every single character in the game other than Cammy.

It causes so many people to argue why or why it shouldn't be.

 

Posted by SeanxFayt on February 28, 2010 at 10:56 a.m. #130

I know right... i lol'd at the same thing shannaro lmao

and chun li owns rog lol she can snuff his straights with forward fierce and neutral jump roundhouse lmao she should be a little higher imo

 

Posted by lol Seriously? on February 28, 2010 at 11:20 a.m. #131

@127 7.5 + 3.5 = 11

 

Posted by Wrong on February 28, 2010 at 11:38 a.m. #132

Seth vs Balrog 4-6 is completely wrong. Seth vs Balrog is almost as bad as geif and seth.

 

Posted by Online is SrS business on February 28, 2010 at 12:08 p.m. #133

Everyone comparing this to their online escapades, is a complete moron. "I'm in the G1 almost SG with XYZ and I ALWAYs beat M N and O P." Your stupidity is astounding comparing the schittastic online comp. to the people you would play offline at any decent tournament. Thats where these list come from, not you and the other cyberchamps you play with all night in Cyberchamp mode.

 

Posted by WOW on February 28, 2010 at 1:36 p.m. #134

blanka better than bison??? LMAOO okayy -_-

 

Posted by @133 on February 28, 2010 at 1:50 p.m. #135

#133: "Everyone comparing this to their online escapades, is a complete moron. "I'm in the G1 almost SG with XYZ and I ALWAYs beat M N and O P." Your stupidity is astounding comparing the schittastic online comp. to the people you would play offline at any decent tournament."

Right...everyone who happens to play on XBox or PS3 is automatically lousy at the game. What the hell kind of sense does this make? As if there isn't a huge overlap between people who play a lot of Street Fighter online and people who show up at tournaments to play it.

Anecdotal experience certainly is of limited use in trying to determine rankings like this, but that isn't the reason why.

 

Posted by @135 on February 28, 2010 at 2:56 p.m. #136

Go to battlefield arcadia. See if you can get 2nd last place or 3rd last. Tell us the results.

 

Posted by saintedsinner on February 28, 2010 at 3:41 p.m. #137

The notion that all online players are garbage is a retarded one.The number of online players far outnumbers the arcade only group now.The online community has tons of people that still go out to the arcades and play I am one of them, but online play gives you the option of playing at home say if its 2 in the morning and you dont want to leave just to play.I have NEVER had a tactic thrown at me in an arcade that I havent first been exposed to online.When you play online you are getting the arcade experience on a grand scale not only do you get to play people you know but you get to play people from all around the world not just all around town.If anything the people who are still only in the arcades are the ones who are falling behind, I invite you to stay in your home town arcade and be the best player on your side of your home town YAY congrats!!!

 

Posted by random guy on February 28, 2010 at 4:34 p.m. #138

I'll consider the game balance when sagat gets 1 or 2 bad match ups in favor of other characters. as you can everybody has atleast one bad match up on the new list

 

Posted by evil blanka on February 28, 2010 at 5:29 p.m. #139

i find blanka isnt weaker just people are getting better vs him and im having to work hard for wins now in g1. shotos no problem i just hate able and seth.

 

Posted by evil blanka on February 28, 2010 at 5:44 p.m. #140

i also want to know what it matters what chara u play. i main blanka but also use gen, ryu, rufus and sagat. i like to win and enjoy tournament but i dont get pi55ed at someone saying blankas bad or cheap or gens crappy they just need to learn them better.

 

Posted by ChunLover on February 28, 2010 at 7:02 p.m. #141

@127

I hope you were joking about your comments on the Seth Vs Guile match because I literally LMAO reading them. Have you ever used Seth to be able to say that all of his specials are useless against Guile?! Why wouldn't he win the fireball war?! Guile's SB recquires a charge while Seth's doesn't and while Seth take a huge amount of damage from anything. How do you suppose Guile is going to be able to get near Seth to even do damage? Seth has so many ways to keep Mr. Turtle at bay. It's already an obvious fact that Guile is such a lousy and useless excuse for a character in this game so just live with it. His spot on this updated tier list is dead on.

 

Posted by JerseyFame on February 28, 2010 at 9:27 p.m. #142

Capcom Challenge:

Make a Guile better than Capcom vs SNK 2.

clocks ticking.

 

Posted by Viper Tech on February 28, 2010 at 10:39 p.m. #143

Looks pretty darn good to me! I don't really put much thought into tier lists unless I'm losing and looking for something to blame.

Each person plays their character different so each individual matchup changes from person to person. It's a decent guideline but play who you really enjoy playing and pick a solid character for a counter.

 

Posted by Justpassingby on February 28, 2010 at 10:52 p.m. #144

why ryu vs honda is 5-5, i don't think honda has the same potential while playin a ryu in a first to 10.

 

Posted by alex portnoyBR on March 1, 2010 at 4:53 a.m. #145

#144

just check some akimo matchs vs daigo and you will see it.

on topic

guile low low tier :? but i still love him..

how zangief still be high tier with all bad matchups ? hahahah for mother russia!<3 guile and gief

why akuma in in 3º = tokido,momochi & eita

 

Posted by Cowman715 on March 1, 2010 at 10:01 a.m. #146

Abel Rog is 5-5?

I really think that should be in rogs favor, but I could understand the EX TT stuffing everything rog has.

 

Posted by Skeith91 on March 1, 2010 at 6:10 p.m. #147

@cowman715

after a knockdown Abel is completely in control of the match

but the ground game is completely in Rog's favor

 

Posted by Cowman715 on March 1, 2010 at 9:14 p.m. #148

I agree 100%, but it is hard to knock rog down unless they're retarded and come at you with overhead pawnch

 

Posted by misogi on March 2, 2010 at 10:18 a.m. #149

How is Roa Akuma 5-5 thats an Akuma players wore nightmare

 

Posted by Darkneos on March 2, 2010 at 5:13 p.m. #150

Its kind of sad that the only people who I play against online use only the top tier characters. I mean I use Chun-li because I like the way she plays, not for ranking. I really don't even bother looking at these lists anyway.

 

Posted by TheParryisPro on March 3, 2010 at 11:49 a.m. #151

@darkneos some players like I use sagat for the same reason you do i have played with sagat through alpha and sf2 and i hate bitches that give me s*#t just cuz i play sagat in sf4 but i just like the way her plays i have for years. as for tier lists i couldnt care less they are only for top level players

 

Posted by Goose on March 3, 2010 at 9:54 p.m. #152

Why is Rose not down there with Dan?

 

Posted by CCCP on March 4, 2010 at 12:22 a.m. #153

No way Gen is lower than Dhalsim in any way. I don't care for either of them, but Gen Owns Dhalsim.... HARD.

 

Posted by MP on March 4, 2010 at 2:11 a.m. #154

Um, no he doesn't.

 

Posted by BCS on March 4, 2010 at 4:43 p.m. #155

I LOL at the fact that people still get butthurt over a tier list... it's only a guideline, folks. It's nothing concrete... if it were, then there would only be one list and we'd be leaving it at that. :)

 

Posted by geese on March 6, 2010 at 6:37 a.m. #156

guile is thrash in this game quite disapointed but i'll still main him cuz if u get the hang of him he's quite good and he 's gameplay style suits me but i seriously hope he get buffed in ssf4. does any1 know if he's any gud in ssf4
and also the tier list looks quited balanced top-tier wise if u take out sagat and the low tiers

 

Posted by detek on March 6, 2010 at 11:09 a.m. #157

Guile does have advantage over Bison but no way it's 7-3. Not if Gief - Abel is 7-3 and if Sagat - Gief is 7-3.
#127: your Seth must be real garbage if you think Guile has advantage in that matchup. And poor Vega, wtf.

 

Posted by detek on March 6, 2010 at 11:28 a.m. #158

I also disagree that tier lists only apply to pros. Even at a moderately good level you beating Seth with Gief is gonna be a problem. Actually that will be true even for average players. Although at pro level those "problems" will be more obvious.

 

Posted by guile on March 6, 2010 at 7:46 p.m. #159

i think gulie is the smae since SF2 i mean he still has the same two moves.BUT the flash kick and the sonic booms are faster and stronger and with beter frames in SF2 now in SF4 the soecial moves SUCK and are hard to combo thats a fact

 

Posted by M Bison on March 6, 2010 at 10 p.m. #160

lol balrog vs zangief match up should be on rogs favor with neutral j.HP you can stuff any move zangief has EX hands included and a ''skilled balrog player'' should know that

 

Posted by SF on March 7, 2010 at 11:18 a.m. #161

I find it hard to believe that Guile ranked just above Gen, lol. I would place him a few space higher on the list regardless of him only having two special moves. He's a very powerful character if ur good with him.

 

Posted by Gertrude on March 7, 2010 at 11:47 a.m. #162

Why does blanka have a 7-3 matchup against Sagat. It should be 6-4. 7-3 matchups are for people like Zang and Honda who pretty much need to play and guess perfectly to stand a chacne. Blanka definately has more tools to get in and punish than either of them.

 

Posted by 090 on March 7, 2010 at 1:31 p.m. #163

this tier list is gonna change again with all characters moving around,so there aint no point of commenting on it really.

 

Posted by um on March 7, 2010 at 11:02 p.m. #164

That tier is list is pretty off. VERY off. Sagat 6-4 against Ryu. Is this a joke?

Akuma is not 4-6 against Cammy (and he should be right up there with Sagat, believe it or not). Akuma has a lot going for him, but using him totally effective is very hard, so I guess a lot of people just assume akuma isn't that good because of his low vitality (even though he has a godlike teleport which gets him out of any bad situation).

Ryu is also more advantageous than this tier list implies. Thanks to his Super and Ultra, he's as good as sagat IMO. The ultra has a million setups (as everyone knows) and when he has super he pretty is guaranteed to land it and can use it whenever he wants.

Gief should be a bit lower, Honda should be a bit higher, and the whole D tier is all jumbled up.

I think this list seems to make the game look a lot more balanced than it really is. I think it's pretty well balanced, but not THIS balanced.

 

Posted by Arcade on March 7, 2010 at 11:27 p.m. #165

For convenience, here's the Arcade tier list:

SAGAT - 5 6 6 6 7 6 7 6 6 6 5 7 6 6 7 7 99
AKUMA 5 - 5 6 5 7 5 5 5 5 6 5 5 6 6 7 6 89
RYU 4 5 - 5 6 5 5 5 5 6 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 86
CHUN-LI 4 4 5 - 4 5 6 5 4 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 85
RUFUS 4 5 4 6 - 4 5 5 6 4 6 6 6 5 6 6 7 85
ZANGIEF 3 3 5 5 6 - 6 4 6 6 7 5 5 6 6 5 6 84
BALROG 4 5 5 4 5 4 - 6 6 5 5 6 5 5 6 6 6 83
BLANKA 3 5 5 5 5 6 4 - 5 4 4 5 5 6 6 6 7 81
C. VIPER 4 5 5 6 4 4 4 5 - 4 5 6 4 5 6 7 6 80
M. BISON 4 5 4 4 6 4 5 6 6 - 6 5 5 5 6 3 6 80
ABEL 4 4 5 4 4 3 5 6 5 4 - 6 5 5 5 6 6 77
DHALSIM 5 5 5 4 4 5 4 5 4 5 4 - 6 5 4 7 5 77
E. HONDA 3 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 5 5 4 - 5 6 4 6 76
KEN 4 4 4 4 5 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 - 6 5 6 76
EL FUERTE 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 6 4 4 - 6 5 70
GUILE 3 3 4 4 4 5 4 4 3 7 4 3 6 5 4 - 6 69
VEGA 3 4 4 4 3 4 4 3 4 4 4 5 4 4 5 4 - 63

 

Posted by this list is stupid on March 8, 2010 at 9:24 a.m. #166

again Dhalsim is way better, they need to stop putting him so low

 

Posted by hey on March 8, 2010 at 9:38 a.m. #167

YO HOW IS DHALSIM EVEN with both sagat and dan?

 

Posted by 009 on March 8, 2010 at 2:46 p.m. #168

@ JohnJohnson your grammar sucks and you can't spell for sh1t....fagg0t

 

Posted by juju on March 8, 2010 at 4:29 p.m. #169

im really hoping that blanka hops back up on that tier list when ssf4 hits the shelves.

 

Posted by Abel suks ballz on March 8, 2010 at 4:33 p.m. #170

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Posted by peteer01 on March 10, 2010 at 1:47 a.m. #171

An amazing Blanka is pretty damn tough, but I agree with most of his rankings. The one I really don't understand is Blanka/Gouken. How is Blanka-Ryu and Blanka-Gouken both 5:5. It seems like one of the few matches where Gouken is at a disadvantage without even considering his low health.

 

Posted by JetX on March 11, 2010 at 2:35 a.m. #172

I agree that Tiers don't really matter, it depends on a player but I'm really desperate to find a character who can beat Balrog and Bison...I have a hard time beating those guys...

 

Posted by chickenwings on March 14, 2010 at 11:57 a.m. #173

@164

seriously ryu isnt far from sagat. With 2 ex stock most of his normals will cancel into a dp and fadc to ultra, the only other character with options like that is rufus. And then theres the short cut dp factor. Again with ex stock ryu can mash out dps safely(even without stock he can mash and risk nothing) and safely reversal with the ooption of an ultra. Online doing for combos versus ryu is super risky since u can be sure hes mashing reversal on his side.

 

Posted by spitz on March 15, 2010 at 5:14 p.m. #174

5:5 akuma vs blanka? it's 1:9 for me with blanka?! blanka noobs are ridiculous. I switched to rufus for a little change and turtling blanka noobs annoy me, just pathetic

 

Posted by spitz on March 15, 2010 at 5:17 p.m. #175

now I see why others hate blanka players. cos most of them retreats and looks for a cheap hit. no combos just cheap hits.

 

Posted by chickenwings on March 16, 2010 at 1:54 a.m. #176

dude, akuma can beat blanka, once u get ultra he cant ball u anymore. learn the match up.

 

Posted by shoryuken87 on March 16, 2010 at 8:59 p.m. #177

Rankings are pretty much spot on. Rose has always been a decent/good character so quit hating. People cry about the soul throw because it does not have DP priority but C.HP stops pretty much everything anyways. If you fail to see her potential the problem lies with you not the character.

 

Posted by DemonShidoji on March 19, 2010 at 4:44 a.m. #178

Way to go AKUMA!!!!!!!!!
BTW, faves is akuma/sakura/c.viper

 

Posted by dark_angel90s on March 22, 2010 at 1:36 a.m. #179

Guys!!! GUILE is my Main!
He's still the awesome players!
i have been online with guile! im a G1 player!
and my win ratio is 85% .. so u cant say he sucks.
ive won around 715 matches out of 830 matches!
Dont underestimate him!
if anyone wants to have match its dark_angel90s
even he is low tier in this ranking, doesnt mean he isnt good. its just hat u need to have good still with him =)

 

Posted by SomeDude on March 22, 2010 at 2:06 p.m. #180

I know the tier-list isn't a fact etc but shouldn't Guile be higher than Fei Long?

I like both characters alot but Guile seems easier to dominate with.
But then again,I don't think most people know the matchup against Fei Long (haven't come across a Fei player yet - tho I play Fei quite regularly).

 

Posted by catscratch on March 24, 2010 at 1:33 a.m. #181

Gen's still way underrated. Gen/Blanka is 6-4 in Gen's favor, not the other way around. He can EX Oga on wakeup out of Blanka's wake-up pressure, he can punish Blanka balls on block with super, ultra, and dash into MK Hands (timing is VERY strict on this), and he can punish Blanka balls on HIT with super. On top of that he's got the upper hand in footsies, and you've got yourself one very tough match for Blanka.

Gen/Gief is also not 7-3 for Gief. It's closer to 5-5. There really isn't a whole lot that Gief can do to a Gen player that's good with MK Hands, and EX Oga deals with Gief's wakeup pressure shenanigans really well.

Now, this will all be irrelevant in 5 weeks, but honestly, Gen's upper mid tier. Definitely not the 4th worst character in the game.

E. Honda is quite a bit better than this indicates, too. So is Cammy, and so is Viper.

All tier lists should be taken with a grain of salt... or a huge pile of salt. Preferably Morton's.

 

Posted by sweatypalm on April 3, 2010 at 6:43 a.m. #182

Please read my blog @ http://sweatypalm.wordpress.com/ where i explain why tier lists are not to be trusted. Debate is welcome

 

Posted by UltraDavid on April 7, 2010 at 9:06 a.m. #183

Man, this is ridiculous. SF4 is just about to become obsolete, and the Japanese randoms who put this list together still know so little about the game? Their lack of knowledge about the console characters in particular is the weakest thing about this.

 

Posted by RisingStar on April 7, 2010 at 7:40 p.m. #184

I dont agree with alot of this list but oh well...

 

Posted by Shinebox on April 12, 2010 at 12:49 p.m. #185

@33 Ken's ultra is actually effective against Chun Li, his dragon punch has priority over most of her aerial attacks and has more forward range.

 

Posted by Guile4Life on April 21, 2010 at 3:54 p.m. #186

for jerseyfame dude you dont know how to use guile lol guiles getting the buff he needs but they will never give guile a new move for those who loves guile for someone whos only got 2 moves hes pretty dang good for only having 2 moves guile is n always will be my first n favorite. if your looking for some guile beat downs friend me on xboxlive Viciousfatality il show u what guile can do

 

Posted by bruneodj on April 24, 2010 at 11:03 p.m. #187

Blanca is a high tier, i don't use him often but i spam throws with him and electricity and i win 80% of the time
blanka ultra is hte more damaging in the game...
i won yesterday 14 straight matches online including one match were i could only se one button

 

Posted by bruneodj on April 24, 2010 at 11:09 p.m. #188

also blanka new ultra is by far the best in SSF4 so hed better be top of the list... in the SSf4 tier list or else... blanka new ultra is said to be the greatest ultra ever created by a capcom developer.. god bless America

 

Posted by Psycho on April 29, 2010 at 11:06 a.m. #189

@ 187 ROFL

 

Posted by Shizzle on May 1, 2010 at 4:14 a.m. #190

Im not sure, but there hasn't been any game updates between the last two Tier Ranking lists?

As there is assumed that players of equal skill fight eachother, does it make any sense that the first list looks different from the second?

 

Posted by JetX on May 3, 2010 at 3:08 a.m. #191

How in the hell is Guile a low tier character? and Sakura is underated, just that people don't know how to use her. So far I get beat up by every single sakura player ive met. And good news for Abel players, hes catching up :D

 

Posted by Fujisawa_Loser on May 4, 2010 at 2:47 p.m. #192

Anyone know any more recent tiers when I checked Balrog's page they said that he's number two so I was wondering how is the list now.

 

Posted by Danielq94 on May 5, 2010 at 12:36 p.m. #193

All characters can be good if you know how to use them, personally i think people consider tiers too much, i play with sakura, rose, chun, guile, dan and Fei-long and most of them are low tier and i can still own higher tiered characters online, i'm not saying that characters don't have their bad matchups though on the contrary i think sagat needs to gain some and dan, gen, and vega have some definite disadvantages.. it's learning how to get round them that shos the mark of a good player

 

Posted by Fujisawa_Loser on May 5, 2010 at 6:01 p.m. #194

Ah I see what you did there.

 

Posted by sweatypalm on May 10, 2010 at 7:30 a.m. #195

This tier list is a loose guideline? Then why has it got a set of numbers as the expected result of a match without knowing the players and what they are capable of? It does say two players of equal skill but how do you determine that?

 

Posted by duds on May 15, 2010 at 9:55 a.m. #196

Hey yo event hubs you might wanna upload this or you might wanna wait till it's more justified. It's the SSF4 Tier list:

http://iplaywinner.com/news/2010/5/13...

 

Posted by Immortal_JL on May 17, 2010 at 10:24 a.m. #197

I own 90% of my matches with Guile, and about 70% of my matches with Vega, and theyre pretty low tier. but theyre monsters in the right hands.

 

Posted by JetX on May 17, 2010 at 11:03 p.m. #198

Agree with 197 in good hands these so called "low tiers" can be hard to beat in the right hands. Especialy Guile and Sakura =s

 

Posted by JetX on May 22, 2010 at 12:56 a.m. #199

@170 you sir are an ass.

 

Posted by freekill on June 20, 2010 at 6:40 a.m. #200

@197 and 198:
first i want to say i agree that some characters can be beastly in the right hands, but the main problem (well its not really a problem) is that nobody knows how to fight low tier characters because they're not seen very often.

 

Posted by Cascadian1106 on July 21, 2010 at 3:22 a.m. #201

Awesome! I guess Chun Li's back to where she rightfully belongs. Up there at the top. Top tier Chun! Woot! Woot!

 

Posted by jhayze on July 21, 2010 at 3:22 a.m. #202

the new tier list is totally BS!

 

Posted by PainKiller on July 21, 2010 at 3:52 a.m. #203

dudley is that low because of his s----y pokes that can't beat anything at all....

 

Posted by LearningFast on July 21, 2010 at 4:03 a.m. #204

Oh wow a Teir list with Chun li at the top now you know the world has gone crazy

 

Posted by cearbeartron on July 21, 2010 at 5:04 a.m. #205

I think Vegas position on the list is legit but I dont agree that its a 6-4 matchup against Blanka. Even though the matchup isn't as bad as in vanilla, its still in Blankas favor, should be 4 - 6 imo. Also think that Blanka should be higher on that list, he got more bufs than nerfs in super.

 

Posted by xShonuffx on July 21, 2010 at 5:20 a.m. #206

WTF Chun Li is S Tier? GTFOH.

I main Chun and in no way I feel she is that high, I feel she should have stayed in A tier but not S. She still has plenty of bad match ups.

I guess I should be happy but at the same time im disappointed because now everyone and their mama is gonna use Chun Li and it's no longer gonna feel unique to play her. Now I really got to step my game up.

 

Posted by hitmanr92 on July 21, 2010 at 5:27 a.m. #207

The new tier list is pile of crap.

 

Posted by Chisin_Jong on July 21, 2010 at 5:30 a.m. #208

LOL chun li! i believe she IS up there, and i do see why the japs would consider her S tier. i actualy agree with her matchups, except a few.

Oh well this is still a rough estimate as they stil need to learn about the new characters as well as the console characters from vanilla

 

Posted by Loggo89 on July 21, 2010 at 5:32 a.m. #209

...YOU SEE WHAT YOU DID CAPCOM?

YOUR HORRIBLE NEW CHARACTERS ARE WORSE THAN DAN.

As a Dan player, just let me say it is a sad day for me when I'm NOT using the worst character in the game. What, they expect me to learn Makoto now? ;_______;

 

Posted by JayMed on July 21, 2010 at 5:33 a.m. #210

w00t! w00t! Honda!

 

Posted by juxtapose on July 21, 2010 at 5:49 a.m. #211

@204 LearningFast: I guess you never played 3S

There's NO WAY Chun/Honda is 7-3. JUST SAYING.

Tier lists are stupid.

 

Posted by Baha on July 21, 2010 at 6:11 a.m. #212

I'll bet in 6 months Makoto and Hakan will Mid-tier...but I can't see why any character can't win a major tounrny. I'd say this is a pretty well balanced game with a few awful matchups stuck in there for fun (fun LOL). What ever, who care?

 

Posted by ChunLi on July 21, 2010 at 6:13 a.m. #213

@#9

Rose? LEAST intimidating?

The one time you fight a GOOD Rose, you'll really want to think twice about her being "less intimidating".
(*is happy to main Rose/Sakura/Chun'Li)

 

Posted by ChunLi on July 21, 2010 at 6:14 a.m. #214

*Looks at Tier list again.*

:3

 

Posted by GSwag on July 21, 2010 at 6:16 a.m. #215

this similar to what someone said in a stream before ssf4 barely came out. i think by pharai? not sure. but he said all the new chars r wild cards, not that grea best is brobably ibuki, and that just about all the originals in sf4 that werent top tier got way better

 

Posted by RandomJohn on July 21, 2010 at 6:18 a.m. #216

Tier list is always fun to look at but never useful. If anyone actually will use the list to figure out who to main, I'm sorry, you shouldn't be playing the game. It all depends on the player itself. Daigo makes Ryu like a S tier because he mastered his character. I'm not saying mastering a character like Dan will win you competitions but just saying. People should figure out which character fits their gameplay. Does this person like to zone a lot or is he a rush down player? It all depends. It's like buying a car. If you want to go off roading and decides to buy a convertible (Corvert, etc) that may not be the right car for you even though a Corevet is a nice vehicle.

 

Posted by SteadiestShark on July 21, 2010 at 6:21 a.m. #217

Wow, this game is really balanced, even the top characters have multiple bad matchups.

Although, I disagree with Guile/Rose being 6-4 to Guile and a few other things.

 

Posted by SmoothJK on July 21, 2010 at 6:22 a.m. #218

Did anyone notice that the first five characters are charge? That's almost the opposite of what happened in vanilla (the constant being Boxer).

 

Posted by HypahVypah on July 21, 2010 at 6:33 a.m. #219

Watch. Some unknown will make top 8 with Makoto, crash SRK, and the next tier list will place her smack dab in the middle because all the "experts" figure she can't be bottom tier if she performed well at a tournament.

 

Posted by Amar on July 21, 2010 at 7:27 a.m. #220

I'm really glad guy is put that low.

 

Posted by Garcian_Ulmeyda on July 21, 2010 at 7:47 a.m. #221

@219 Yeah, I've hit some players online that used the supposed low tiers characters and demolished me. Not to mention there is always someone out there pulling a J.Wong (see link below) saying one character sucks then finds out that in the right hands they're a killer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXBa9h...

 

Posted by JohnJohnson on July 21, 2010 at 8:44 a.m. #222

I think the reason why the tier list is the way it is, is because if you if think about it, all the new characters are rush down in play style and have really hard times vs really good turtlers (Sagat, Honda, Guile, etc.) So with 35 characters, you end up with a lot of match ups that are won by the turtle because rush down have no really options around them, with the exception of Abel and Balrog (although in Rogs case, he can be played both offensively and defensively and in Abel's case, he has a bunch of good match ups vs turtle style characters). Point being, is that even though I think Honda and Chun Li are good, the reasoned they're ranked so high is because they just have a lot of good match ups. If you actually look at the match ups, Chun Li and Honda have some bad match ups, and Honda especially has bad match ups vs high ranking characters. The reason I don't take tier seriously, is because there is always more to them then they appear.

 

Posted by SteadiestShark on July 21, 2010 at 8:55 a.m. #223

I think Tier lists should be nuked for this version of the game. It's so much better balanced to the point where the better player will almost always win - Mike Ross is a testament to that.

 

Posted by akillyz on July 21, 2010 at 8:55 a.m. #224

no duh chun li is high, she is one of the only chracters that kick my ass 90% of the time, the other 2 being Blanka & Zangief, i main vega and have around 4000 BP

 

Posted by Nelaelu on July 21, 2010 at 9:16 a.m. #225

NiCe BaLaNcE !!!

Buffs for last 5 and we're GOOD!! (Of course lets wait for more tier lists first)

 

Posted by Sakanade on July 21, 2010 at 9:26 a.m. #226

Age of the Charge Char's

 

Posted by PainKiller on July 21, 2010 at 9:31 a.m. #227

good buffs for the last ten characters (solid buffs for the last five and small buffs for the other 5) would balance this game for good

 

Posted by AceKillah on July 21, 2010 at 9:52 a.m. #228

NERF CHUN LI!!!!! DO IT

 

Posted by RagingApocalypse on July 21, 2010 at 10:03 a.m. #229

THIS IS MADNESS!!!
Hopefully the tier list will get more stable and solidified.
too many things not making sense.

 

Posted by RagingApocalypse on July 21, 2010 at 10:07 a.m. #230

Also, the Japanese don't play the game on a mass scale since its not in arcades yet. I personally don't believe they should be the best authority on a tier list right now. The Iplaywinner one seems more accurate.

 

Posted by manboy on July 21, 2010 at 10:16 a.m. #231

you the man honda!!! i knew you'd be on top one day

 

Posted by shack on July 21, 2010 at 11:48 a.m. #232

@ RagingApocalypse

They play just as much. Their top players play Super and its not like we play it at arcades either, so why should we be considered more knowledgeable? Some of it is a little odd, but it prolly doesnt even matter if they are adding new challengers cuz its gona end up changing by then again also.

 

Posted by SteadiestShark on July 21, 2010 at 11:53 a.m. #233

@232

Because most of their levelling up is done at arcades. They have a constant stream of powerful competitors in an offline environment. US is NOTHING like Japan in terms of fighting game scene...

 

Posted by omegax9000 on July 21, 2010 at 12:03 p.m. #234

tiers are retarded there should be a list for players not characters

 

Posted by chickenwings on July 21, 2010 at 12:14 p.m. #235

Wow, this isnt gonna last. I cant agree with alot of the match ups. Bison didnt change much to put him that high(he started high in regular sf4 and droped like a rock) and ryu didnt change at all so why he would drop is beyond me. The thing i find funny is that the top character (namely chun, honda and guile) can are all characters that can lame out(turtle) pretty easily(especialy chun). Also notice where makato is listed and shes a purely offensive character. I think that says alot about this game.

 

Posted by BlackNoob on July 21, 2010 at 12:14 p.m. #236

Dan isn't at the bottom :)

 

Posted by Existent on July 21, 2010 at 12:17 p.m. #237

If anyone puts any stake in this whatsoever they're a fool and I shouldn't need to explain why.

 

Posted by Doppler on July 21, 2010 at 12:19 p.m. #238

well I think they need to nerf the very safe moves some character has, like Buson head stomp, or rolling atacks, summo headbut, or those very safe shoryukens, or that dive kick from rufus..... this game need more balance on those safe moves, and some buffs in low tiers

As a vega main I think hes more good than before but still dont have a good get the F**k out of me move, scarleth teror just sucks a lot u.u

 

Posted by chickenwings on July 21, 2010 at 12:20 p.m. #239

LOL look at ryus match ups. He loses to guile? Honestly now, they invented a bunch of 4s, he doesnt lose to blarog either, this isnt st, low forward and cross ups is all u need.

 

Posted by chickenwings on July 21, 2010 at 12:22 p.m. #240

@237

some of the tier lists are ok but this one is terrible. I can see chun being high tier and honda also but the rest of the list is retarded.

 

Posted by kingofthesharks on July 21, 2010 at 12:27 p.m. #241

Well at least charge characters dominate the top because i can't do quarter circles to the goddamm right.

 

Posted by Existent on July 21, 2010 at 1:07 p.m. #242

The only lists I would put any credence in are ones from 3rd Strike, MVC2, etc. Less balanced games that have been out long enough to genuinely rank the potential of a character. I started ignoring lists from SF4 long ago.

 

Posted by Farsight on July 21, 2010 at 1:25 p.m. #243

I play Makoto and i'm proud of my tier position 8D
*sigh*

 

Posted by BisonBetterBeGoodInSSF4 on July 21, 2010 at 1:41 p.m. #244

WTF bison is top teir. no way. damn now everyone is gonna think im a top teir whore, and even if they dont, they're gonna think i win just because i play a top teir. i was happy that Bison was mid teir in vanilla, now im actually pissed.

my name wasn't an actual threat lol.

 

Posted by BlankaBeast on July 21, 2010 at 2:26 p.m. #245

Congrats to Capcom for making an awesome balanced game. Tie for top tier that cant be beat!

 

Posted by kona on July 21, 2010 at 2:36 p.m. #246

How is Chun vs Sagat a 6-4 in Chun's favor? He may not dish out the damage he used to but he can still zone the hell out of her. He still has a lot of the same tools to make Chun's life really hard. I honestly think it's a 6-4 in Sagat's favor. I also think a 7-3 vs Honda is a little too generous as well. Chun wins that matchup, but not as bad as a 7-3. Well, that's my opinion of it anyways.

 

Posted by BlankaBeast on July 21, 2010 at 3:01 p.m. #247

It is what it is, and it isn't what it isn't. It will be what it will be. Your opinion may vary.

 

Posted by JohnJohnson on July 21, 2010 at 3:15 p.m. #248

I said in an early post, 222, that Honda was ranked so high because he had a ton of match ups against the new characters. While I was at work, it got me thinking, what would the tier list look like if the new characters where taken out. I did this with everyone from Vanilla (expect for Dan) and I got some pretty cool results.

Chun Li- 132
Guile- 131
Bison, Balrog- 130
Seth- 128
Abel- 127
Honda, Cammy- 126
Ryu- 124
Rufus, Dhalsim, Sagat- 123
Akuma, Fei Long- 122
Blanka- 121
Ken- 120
Rose, Zangeif- 118
Viper- 117
Vega- 116
El Fuerte'- 114
Gouken- 108
Sakura- 105
Gen- 99

The point of this? I guest to show you that a lot of people really think the changes in Super are THAT important, to the point were Sagat and Akuma, 2 of the best characters in Vanilla, are out ranked but Honda, a character who, at best, was in the middle of the rankings in that game. I think someone already said this, but watch, this tier list is going to be all types of messed up as the game gets older.

 

Posted by akillyz on July 21, 2010 at 3:21 p.m. #249

wait 6-4 for vega vs blanka?
no.

 

Posted by StUnNa876 on July 21, 2010 at 4:15 p.m. #250

wow... ppl stop whining... the tier list just shows the match up on a certain skill level... just as someone stated before, no matter the tier ranking of a character, it just depends on the person using the character... i got a few friends who knows how to fuk with your head with certain characters... for instance vega.... omg he is broken based on what he can do, but ppl just dont want to devote the time on learning how to use him properly. Makoto omg she is disgusting if the right person uses her... rose..... must i say anything else...

 

Posted by SnakeAes on July 21, 2010 at 5:08 p.m. #251

What up charge characters? Welcome to top tier!

 

Posted by BlankaBeast on July 21, 2010 at 5:11 p.m. #252

@248 JohnJohnson Thanks I like that.

 

Posted by whoshoyu on July 21, 2010 at 6:22 p.m. #253

I call bs on this teir! guile got better, but he's not top tier, and no way is bison under chun and honda.

 

Posted by BlankaBeast on July 21, 2010 at 6:27 p.m. #254

kick a$$ cross feature, long time coming, now just make balrog the top gray color and everything will be right with the world!

 

Posted by Theunder on July 21, 2010 at 7:08 p.m. #255

Oh man.... why is Gouken that low? i guess buffs on all his normals wasn't enough,i'm starting to think that him getting a shoryuken wouldn't be enough to make him equal to Akuma.Oh well,he's still fun to use.

 

Posted by BlankaBeast on July 21, 2010 at 7:12 p.m. #256

I mean 188-183 = 5!! Thats worth a new color if you ask me.

 

Posted by MadnessFamilyguile on July 21, 2010 at 8:44 p.m. #257

This list makes tons of sense, and you can totally see this in the matches you watch or play. Strongest low tier i think i've ever seen.

Welcome back to the top tier colonel guile, let the debate begin

 

Posted by MadnessFamilyguile on July 21, 2010 at 9:07 p.m. #258

I have to disagree about a couple of things. I can't see how chun smashes honda bad enough to be 7-3....hondas are more likely to complain about guile than chun-li in my experience...i mean he can punish his best move with his ultra on block.

Hakan also...cant really do anything against a guile who knows his tricks...7-3 for guile easy, in my opinion they should be tied at 191.

Expect balrog to rise...he doesnt really have a bad matchup in my opinion. Because of that i expect atleast one top showing on these lists, but the game is so balanced that anything can happen. Viper is ANYTHING but a weak character

 

Posted by streetman88 on July 21, 2010 at 10:34 p.m. #259

WOW! Chun Li is top tier again i knew she was high tier level but Dame not top tier aint gone lie that makes me playing her feel a bit better but also like #206 said everybody and there mama,daddy,brother and sister etc will probably be playing chun li guess i gotta work them thick thunder legs even harder now lol.

 

Posted by Dalenoix on July 22, 2010 at 10:32 a.m. #260

Fuc-k that bullsh-it "Tier Character Rankings" and play the character you like for design or fighting style that convinces you the most.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw2g1P...

 

Posted by cuttyb1987 on July 22, 2010 at 6:31 p.m. #261

its fun looking at the tier list but I don't agree with this list at all it seems weird even at high level I doubt Bison beats Abel 6-4 Beats Sagat, ryu and lose to guile 7-3 wtf

 

Posted by cuttyb1987 on July 22, 2010 at 6:33 p.m. #262

This isn't third strike Chun li isn't the best in this game llol her fireball isn't the best and she is primarily a poking counter hit counter but I can't see her winning like this is third strike like that

 

Posted by Hamza on July 23, 2010 at 4 a.m. #263

This has to be the most hilarious tier list ever. How does she go 6-4 against Sagat, Rog, or even Cammy for that matter?
S*** reversal is s***, how can just her ultra put her in as number 1?

 

Posted by BlankaBeast on July 23, 2010 at 8:56 a.m. #264

8 people jumped above blanka, blanka jumped no one, those buffs made HUGE differences...I think only Sagat and Akuma got jumped more.

 

Posted by BlankaBeast on July 23, 2010 at 9:13 a.m. #265

except for zangnerf....but who didnt jump him, right?

 

Posted by MadnessFamilyguile on July 23, 2010 at 11:47 a.m. #266

The reason she has an advantage on sagat is because he has lower life and does less damage.......not hard to figure out. Her mixups always put him in trouble but he had huge damage and health to compensate.

Rog was always the same, she has alot of answers for what he can do

 

Posted by parva on July 23, 2010 at 7:44 p.m. #267

I remember seeing a very similar list on a Japanese website. They had some match data like several thousand matches. So this list is probably based on that one, which can be considered accurate. (I just can't remember what site it is.)
But most of the matches are online. Network lag played an important role.
Even Daigo has some problems playing online, so I think maybe lags favor charging characters.

 

Posted by Shaunbake on July 23, 2010 at 10:56 p.m. #268

It's obvious this tier ranking is very flawed. As long as your good against shotos it brings you tier ranking up tremendously. I'm a bison player, and honestly, you gotta work hard to play as him still. Ryu is too well rounded to be lower then the top three. It's just that ALOT of scrubs play with him so they get beat. Be 4 REAL.

 

Posted by KenScrub on July 24, 2010 at 1:33 a.m. #269

Cammy in the top tier FTW!

 

Posted by canabalistic999 on July 24, 2010 at 10:59 a.m. #270

this list is so off, for many if all characters, the matchups are all screwy and since there are many shotos if u have a advantage against them the rank goes way up, also since new characters still arnt fully understood those matchups are guaranteed to be innaccurate

 

Posted by Meety on July 24, 2010 at 5:37 p.m. #271

lol hakan nd makoto r n da same tier wit dan

 

Posted by cammyfan888 on July 25, 2010 at 12:51 a.m. #272

Howd juri get so low?

 

Posted by and3 on July 25, 2010 at 2:58 a.m. #273

Viper so low all of a sudden.........and on IPW.com she's top tier.......strange. You'll have 2 be a complete noob not 2 know that Vipers tricks give shoto's trouble so viper vs ryu = 5-5. And Ibuki vs Viper is in Vipers favor or at least 5-5. Ex seismo beats kunai and hits Ibuki after that(maybe a follow up with Ultra 2), Ibukis anti air isnt good enough 2 get her out of wake up burning kick situations (not even the EX) so on knockdown she's as reliable as guile.

Im not sure about honda vs viper being 7-3 but blanka vs viper = 5-5 now. Blanka ball on block means reversal seismo -> Ultra 2. So blanka becomes seismo food. Dudley vs Viper is 6-4 cuz viper t knuckle beats EVERYTHING he tries except EX uppercut (and who's going 2 do that from mid range).

Strangely enough i cant disagree on most of the chun match ups. Great pokes with high priority, a decent projectile and a great aerial and juggle game. But doesnt her low stamina gives trouble when running into Boxer?

 

Posted by and3 on July 25, 2010 at 2:59 a.m. #274

btw with ipw.com i mean iplaywinner.com

 

Posted by anti_nelaelu on July 25, 2010 at 9:07 a.m. #275

Sagat v Guile is now 6-4 in guile's favor?!?!?!

HAHAHAHAH i guess tier lists really must be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

Posted by MadnessFamilyguile on July 25, 2010 at 12:14 p.m. #276

Viper has a disadvantage to ryu because her crossup tricks dont work as well and her normals lose out to his i assume. Why would blanka vs viper be 5-5? Yea i can see ibuki being fairly easy for viper i'll agree.

So many people say the tierlist is flawed but they can't even explain themselves even slightly.

 

Posted by FROG55JON on July 25, 2010 at 6:14 p.m. #277

gd to see my main at the top :D

 

Posted by and3 on July 26, 2010 at 8:30 a.m. #278

@MadnessFamiliyguile

Ken's and Gouki's normals outprioritise Vipers as well and Kens DP is even better then Ryu's and those match ups are 5-5. Also Kens forward-med kick is more effective against Viper then most of Ryu's normals. Why wouldnt her cross up tricks work on Ryu? He's not 2 different from ken in defencive options, so why is he at an advantage?

If Viper uses Ultra 2 against blanka his balls become extra risky becuz you can follow up with ultra now. Giving Viper the advantage with the seismocancels. Maybe its a bit 2 far fetched cuz it only aply's when playing a very high lvl but hey, if you love ur char enough its like every match up becomes in your favor.

 

Posted by mach1545 on July 26, 2010 at 8:33 a.m. #279

I know tiers don't mean much at all but man playing as Gen for a while really makes you wonder...

 

Posted by Nelaelu on July 26, 2010 at 8:40 a.m. #280

anti_nelaelu #275

Get ready for a losing streak with Guile my evil bro!!

 

Posted by Jayrrus on July 26, 2010 at 8:51 a.m. #281

this teir list is shier bull. i cammy evens looks a Gief she gets raped and that stupid Jafakin beats the boxing champ of the world. ALL lies.

 

Posted by MadnessFamilyguile on July 27, 2010 at 1:39 p.m. #282

Because his options lead to ultra, his footspeed is faster,his zoning is better, and he takes damage better than akuma,although he doesn't have that strength vortex.

It's been said that better blanka players don't rely on blanka balls that much, especially in matchups where they can be badly punished.

 

Posted by scarsofzsasz on August 2, 2010 at 8:16 p.m. #283

Definitely not complaining about this, but I'm just curious.....why the big drop in tier rank for Sagat? Did everyone figure out some trick to beating him? Or are the newer characters better against him? Did he get nerfed?

 

Posted by MB56 on August 3, 2010 at 3:17 a.m. #284

wow bison vs ken is 5-5 but 6-4 to ryu? isnt ryu better than ken? can someone explain this?

 

Posted by Fightingfan69 on August 5, 2010 at 11:51 a.m. #285

"I know tiers don't mean much at all but man playing as Gen for a while really makes you wonder..."

Wait good or bad? I think Gen is underrated.

 

Posted by firecotton on August 5, 2010 at 8:49 p.m. #286

@MB56
I think It's because Ken gives Bison more trouble when he is up close than Ryu. His mixups are pretty nasty and his kara-throw gives Bison also trouble.

 

Posted by MadnessFamilyguile on August 7, 2010 at 12:46 a.m. #287

Kens upclose game is AWESOME, and that's where bison operates. Ryus poke game is good but his cheaper BS got abit nerfed, such as the super trap and trade ultra and the brainlessness of reversal to ultra in general.

Bisons corner pressure doesn't work well aaisnt ken who not only has a great reversal, but also 3 frame short and jab, and i believe ryu only has the jab. Also there's the kara throw which can give bison trouble, and the more ambiguous crossup than ryu has

 

Posted by MB56 on August 9, 2010 at 12:18 a.m. #288

@286 and 287 oh ok, thanks for your answers. I understand now that ken has better close up pressure because of his normals and especially the f.mk

 

Posted by TheShotokan on August 12, 2010 at 9:54 a.m. #289

@268 I agree whole-heartedly, this list is sheer err. Lets face facts Ryu is still "essentially" the best character. It's the fact that most top players using him aren't as adept, as say Daigo. He also has an answer for every situation, not everything. Let me exemplify, ok Ryu, and Guile are caught in the air jumping against Seth, during the inception of Seth's ultra. Once the ultra becomes an incipient, and is the median of the screen, Ryu can tatsu or ex tatsu to avoid. Now, unfortunately for guile it won't happen depending on the fact that Ryu hasn't initiated an attack whilst jumping, but you get the gist. That's what i mean an answer for every situation, and not thing, making Ryu "essentially" the best character. Im resting assured that the next, and final tier won't be so transparent. IMNSHO, i think the list should go Bison, Rog, Sagat his zoning is undoubtedly the best still, Ryu, Chun, Abel, Rufus, Seth, Akuma, Dhalsim, and Guile. These, i feel are top in this order or close to.

 

Posted by xxxstylzxxx on August 13, 2010 at 1:33 p.m. #290

While tier list data can definitely be looked upon as a reference in regards to how one should approach certain matchups it should never be the end all be all in terms of a character's potential. Case in point:

http://www.youtube.com/user/xxlongsho...

I have a feeling that Hakan in particular will be re-evaluated ,along the same lines as Ehonda was in vanilla, as the the game continues to evolve.

 

Posted by joe89 on August 17, 2010 at 2:49 a.m. #291

how can the there is a great gap between ken and ryu in terms of ranking...both have the same skill and ken has even more speed compare to ryu...doesn't make sense at all

 

Posted by Oculus_Orbis on August 17, 2010 at 2:33 p.m. #292

@joe89
I don't see what Ryu, and Ken's skill have to do with their in-game ranking, but anyway...

1) Their normals are very different.
2) Their specials have different properties/purposes.
3) Their Supers/Ultras are completely different and have different uses/setups.
4) Different strengths in terms of gameplay(Zoning, footsies, combos, etc.).

If it still doesn't make sense, then maybe you shouldn't be even looking at any kind of tier list.

 

Posted by joe89 on August 19, 2010 at 5:42 a.m. #293

@Oculus_Orbis
perhaps you're right but my point here is how can his ranking was so low...i mean he is one of the strongest character in this game and yet he is no 17 in the list??..maybe all this "high-level" players doesn't know how to use him well and that's the reason why he is no 17/36 in the tier list

 

Posted by joe89 on August 19, 2010 at 6:06 a.m. #294

@Oculus_Orbis
one more i forgot to mention....kens is very much advance than ryu in terms of character strength comparison where ken is no 5 while ryu is 23...you know what that means..it proves that my previous comment was so right...ken is just awesome but it is so pathetic that these "high-level" player doesn't know how to use him otherwise he will be one of the top character in this tier list for sure

 

Posted by Oculus_Orbis on August 20, 2010 at 1:35 p.m. #295

@joe89
I'm not interested in a childish "I'm right, you're wrong" argument, but...I do have one more thing to say.

Average damage output does not equal a top-tier character.
And correct me if I'm wrong, you are using the strength comparison chart from vanilla SF4, not SUPER street fighter 4, right?

But even still, since you are basing your idea of character ranking on physical strength(another reason you don't seem to really understand the tier list), that would imply that Zangief, and T.Hawk would be at the top.

And furthermore, originally, I was simply responding to your post about Ryu/Ken being equal in "skill".
And gave example regarding their differences.
Since, you are clearly not taking into account all the factors involved in understanding, let alone creating a tier list.

And so, far you have proven nothing. Your argument is vague, and uninformed. But, I hope that one day you will understand.
...
And btw, there ARE "high-level" players who DO know how to use him(Ed Ma, Inoue, etc.). And I'm sure many others(apparently you do, lol). So go ahead bro, enter some world-class tourneys, and bring Ken up that list.

 

Posted by Nelaelu on August 21, 2010 at 8:23 p.m. #296

Regarding the Ken/Ryu recent discussion:

The place on the tier list is NOT the only thing that you need to keep in mind. E.Honda, for example, is the new top tier, but you won't see many Hondas winning tourneys. He isn't a well-rounded character and some match-ups give him big trouble. If he goes 3-7 against Chun-Li who's a commonly used character, the chances of him being eliminated by her in a tourney are pretty high.

The place on the list matters LESS then number of BAD-MATCH UPS and the placement of those bad match-ups.

If your character has many bad match-ups against popular/high tier characters then your chance of winning a tourney diminishes greatly... UNLESS you're SO GOOD that you can constantly win against the odds.

 

Posted by Nelaelu on August 21, 2010 at 9:14 p.m. #297

And now about the actual Ken/Ryu issue:

Ken isn't bad at all in SSF4! He only has six 4-6 bad match-ups, which is one of the best results. Also, you can see some Kens being quite succesful in tourneys. The problem is that some of his bad match-ups are popular/high tier characters like Chun-Li or Ryu.

Also, he's missing small things that doesn't let him win consistently:
1. His fireball zoning isn't that great and he needs to rely strictly on pressuring the opponent
2. His tatsus are inconsistent against fireballs and you need to use ex tatsu to attack from mid-range
3. LP+HP Shoryukens sometimes trade and their damage isn't great. MP Shoryuken's range is poor
4. Overall his combos/punishments are very character specific and it's difficult to know what connects and what doesn't
5. Poor footsies - his waking speed is slow as Dan's and his sweep is s..t. cMK into fireball doesn't connect from the end of cMK range (Ryu's does)
6. Ultra1 is difficult to connect fully and shuts down very few of opponent's options. Ultra2 has the above but its set ups are difficult and character specific.
7. Target combo has poor recovery and doesn't work in some cases.

Whaddya think?

 

Posted by Arteris1 on August 22, 2010 at 1:59 a.m. #298

How is chun li is the best character in this game?
No one really uses her that much.
I think ryu should be the best since everyone uses him and the most used character online.

 

Posted by Al_Capwn on August 23, 2010 at 1:57 a.m. #299

LOL, all you see is Sagat up until SSF4 came out XD

 

Posted by chickenwings on August 25, 2010 at 10:48 a.m. #300

SSF4 NEEDS GUARD BREAK

 

Posted by Existent on September 2, 2010 at 10:03 a.m. #301

The more I look at these lists the less I respect them. I hardly ever look at them anymore anyway.

 

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