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Tiers for Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012 by the EventHubs community

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Tiers for Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012 by the EventHubs community

Tiers have been and will likely always be a hotly debated topic. Just because a character is a higher tier does not mean you should play them. You're best off picking characters you like because of how they play.

Regardless, some people have disadvantages and the tier rankings do an alright job of outlining these, but DO NOT take the rankings as the final end all be all word about who the best characters are. Think of it more as a loose guideline.

Tier rankings for Super Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition v2012 by the EventHubs community


You'll find a chart below showing roughly who would win how many games out of 10 if two high-level players of equal skill played against each other using the characters shown.

For example, M. Bison (Dictator) would win 6 games out of 10 against Crimson Viper. And Sagat would win 7 games out of 10 against Zangief.

Note: All of the names below are based off of the American release of the game. Balrog is the Boxer, Vega is Claw and so on.

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Seth - 4 4 5 4 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 6 6 5 6 7 6 6 4 6 5 6 6 6 4 6 5 6 6 5 6 6 6 5 6 7 7 206
C. Viper 6 - 6 6 5 5 6 4 5 4 6 5 6 4 6 6 5 4 7 6 5 6 5 4 6 6 5 6 5 5 5 6 5 5 6 6 5 6 6 205
Cammy 6 4 - 6 4 5 6 4 5 6 6 6 6 4 6 5 5 4 6 4 5 5 4 6 6 6 5 6 6 5 6 6 6 5 6 6 6 6 6 205
Akuma 5 4 4 - 5 5 6 5 5 5 6 5 5 5 5 5 4 6 6 6 6 6 5 5 5 6 6 5 6 5 6 6 6 5 5 6 6 6 6 204
F. Long 6 5 6 5 - 5 6 4 5 5 5 6 5 5 6 5 5 6 6 5 5 6 6 6 4 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 5 5 6 5 6 6 6 203
Rufus 5 5 5 5 5 - 4 5 5 6 6 5 6 5 4 5 6 3 6 4 6 6 4 5 7 4 4 5 6 6 6 5 6 5 6 6 6 5 7 200
Sagat 5 4 4 4 4 6 - 6 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 7 5 5 6 4 5 4 6 5 6 6 5 6 6 5 6 4 5 6 6 7 6 200
Balrog 5 6 6 5 6 5 4 - 6 5 5 6 6 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 6 4 5 5 6 5 6 5 5 6 5 5 5 6 6 5 5 5 6 198
Adon 6 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 - 5 5 6 5 5 6 5 5 4 4 6 6 5 5 5 6 6 5 5 6 5 4 5 5 5 5 6 6 4 6 196
Ibuki 5 6 4 5 5 4 6 5 5 - 5 4 5 4 5 5 5 4 6 6 5 5 6 5 5 5 6 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 6 6 6 4 6 195
Abel 5 4 4 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 - 6 5 5 6 5 5 4 7 6 5 4 5 4 5 6 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 5 6 6 6 4 5 194
Blanka 5 5 4 5 4 5 5 4 4 6 4 - 5 4 5 5 5 6 4 6 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 6 4 5 5 4 5 5 5 4 8 6 194
Makoto 5 4 4 5 5 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 - 5 5 5 5 4 6 6 5 4 5 5 6 5 5 5 6 5 4 5 6 6 6 5 6 6 7 194
Bison 4 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 6 5 - 5 5 4 4 5 3 6 5 6 6 5 5 5 5 6 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 6 194
Ryu 4 4 4 5 4 6 5 5 4 5 4 5 5 5 - 5 6 6 4 5 6 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 6 5 6 6 6 6 7 194
Ken 5 4 5 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 - 6 5 4 4 5 6 6 5 4 5 5 6 5 6 5 6 5 5 5 5 6 5 6 193
Yun 4 5 5 6 5 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 4 4 - 4 7 6 5 6 5 5 6 4 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 4 6 193
Zangief 3 6 6 4 4 7 3 6 6 6 6 4 6 6 4 5 6 - 4 4 5 3 4 4 4 4 7 6 5 6 5 4 5 6 6 5 6 5 7 193
Dhalsim 4 3 4 4 4 4 5 6 6 4 3 6 4 5 6 6 3 6 - 6 4 6 6 4 5 6 5 6 5 4 7 5 5 6 5 6 5 6 7 192
Guile 4 4 6 4 5 6 5 6 4 4 4 4 4 7 5 6 4 6 4 - 5 6 5 6 4 5 4 5 4 5 6 5 5 6 5 5 6 7 6 192
Sakura 6 5 5 4 5 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 4 4 5 5 5 6 5 - 5 5 6 5 6 5 5 5 5 4 6 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 192
Chun-Li 4 4 5 4 4 4 6 6 5 5 6 5 6 5 5 4 4 7 4 4 5 - 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 6 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 191
Dee Jay 5 5 6 5 4 6 5 5 5 4 5 4 5 4 5 4 5 6 4 5 5 5 - 5 4 5 5 5 5 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 5 7 6 191
Juri 4 6 4 5 4 5 6 5 5 5 6 4 5 4 5 5 5 6 6 4 4 5 5 - 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 7 6 191
Rose 4 4 4 5 6 3 4 4 4 5 5 4 4 5 6 6 4 6 5 6 5 5 6 5 - 6 6 5 6 4 4 5 5 6 5 5 6 6 6 190
Gouken 4 4 4 4 5 6 5 5 4 5 4 4 5 5 5 5 6 6 4 5 4 5 5 5 4 - 4 4 6 6 6 5 5 6 6 6 5 6 6 189
Guy 6 5 5 4 5 6 4 4 5 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 3 5 6 5 5 5 5 4 6 - 4 5 6 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 4 6 189
Cody 4 4 4 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 4 5 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 - 4 4 5 5 5 6 6 6 6 6 6 188
Fuerte 5 5 4 4 5 4 5 5 4 5 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 4 5 6 4 4 5 6 - 6 5 5 5 5 6 6 5 6 5 187
Yang 4 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 6 5 5 5 4 5 4 6 5 5 5 4 6 6 4 4 6 4 - 5 6 5 5 5 5 6 4 6 187
Honda 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 5 6 5 4 5 6 6 4 5 4 5 3 4 6 4 4 6 6 4 5 5 5 5 - 6 6 5 5 5 6 6 6 186
Gen 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 4 4 6 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 - 5 5 5 5 5 7 6 185
Vega 4 5 4 4 5 4 4 5 5 4 4 6 4 5 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 5 - 5 5 5 6 6 6 183
Dudley 4 5 5 5 5 5 6 4 5 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 4 4 5 4 5 5 5 5 5 - 5 5 5 4 6 182
Oni 4 4 4 5 4 4 5 4 5 4 4 5 4 5 4 5 5 4 5 5 4 5 5 4 5 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 - 6 5 6 6 176
Evil Ryu 5 4 4 4 5 4 4 5 4 4 4 5 5 5 4 5 5 5 4 5 4 5 5 4 5 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 4 - 5 6 6 175
Hakan 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 4 4 6 4 4 4 4 5 4 5 4 4 5 5 4 4 5 4 4 5 4 4 5 4 5 5 5 - 5 6 169
T. Hawk 3 4 4 4 4 5 3 5 6 6 6 2 4 5 4 5 6 5 4 3 4 4 3 3 4 4 6 4 4 6 4 3 4 6 4 4 5 - 6 166
Dan 3 4 4 4 4 3 4 4 4 4 5 4 3 4 3 4 4 3 3 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 - 148

You can find older tier listings for the Street Fighter 4 series of games as well.


Comments

peteer01 said on March 10, 2010 at 1:47 a.m.

An amazing Blanka is pretty damn tough, but I agree with most of his rankings. The one I really don't understand is Blanka/Gouken. How is Blanka-Ryu and Blanka-Gouken both 5:5. It seems like one of the few matches where Gouken is at a disadvantage without even considering his low health.

#1
JetX said on March 11, 2010 at 2:35 a.m.

I agree that Tiers don't really matter, it depends on a player but I'm really desperate to find a character who can beat Balrog and Bison...I have a hard time beating those guys...

#2
chickenwings said on March 14, 2010 at 11:57 a.m.

@164

seriously ryu isnt far from sagat. With 2 ex stock most of his normals will cancel into a dp and fadc to ultra, the only other character with options like that is rufus. And then theres the short cut dp factor. Again with ex stock ryu can mash out dps safely(even without stock he can mash and risk nothing) and safely reversal with the ooption of an ultra. Online doing for combos versus ryu is super risky since u can be sure hes mashing reversal on his side.

#3
spitz said on March 15, 2010 at 5:14 p.m.

5:5 akuma vs blanka? it's 1:9 for me with blanka?! blanka noobs are ridiculous. I switched to rufus for a little change and turtling blanka noobs annoy me, just pathetic

#4
spitz said on March 15, 2010 at 5:17 p.m.

now I see why others hate blanka players. cos most of them retreats and looks for a cheap hit. no combos just cheap hits.

#5
chickenwings said on March 16, 2010 at 1:54 a.m.

dude, akuma can beat blanka, once u get ultra he cant ball u anymore. learn the match up.

#6
shoryuken87 said on March 16, 2010 at 8:59 p.m.

Rankings are pretty much spot on. Rose has always been a decent/good character so quit hating. People cry about the soul throw because it does not have DP priority but C.HP stops pretty much everything anyways. If you fail to see her potential the problem lies with you not the character.

#7
DemonShidoji said on March 19, 2010 at 4:44 a.m.

Way to go AKUMA!!!!!!!!!
BTW, faves is akuma/sakura/c.viper

#8
dark_angel90s said on March 22, 2010 at 1:36 a.m.

Guys!!! GUILE is my Main!
He's still the awesome players!
i have been online with guile! im a G1 player!
and my win ratio is 85% .. so u cant say he sucks.
ive won around 715 matches out of 830 matches!
Dont underestimate him!
if anyone wants to have match its dark_angel90s
even he is low tier in this ranking, doesnt mean he isnt good. its just hat u need to have good still with him =)

#9
SomeDude said on March 22, 2010 at 2:06 p.m.

I know the tier-list isn't a fact etc but shouldn't Guile be higher than Fei Long?

I like both characters alot but Guile seems easier to dominate with.
But then again,I don't think most people know the matchup against Fei Long (haven't come across a Fei player yet - tho I play Fei quite regularly).

#10
catscratch said on March 24, 2010 at 1:33 a.m.

Gen's still way underrated. Gen/Blanka is 6-4 in Gen's favor, not the other way around. He can EX Oga on wakeup out of Blanka's wake-up pressure, he can punish Blanka balls on block with super, ultra, and dash into MK Hands (timing is VERY strict on this), and he can punish Blanka balls on HIT with super. On top of that he's got the upper hand in footsies, and you've got yourself one very tough match for Blanka.

Gen/Gief is also not 7-3 for Gief. It's closer to 5-5. There really isn't a whole lot that Gief can do to a Gen player that's good with MK Hands, and EX Oga deals with Gief's wakeup pressure shenanigans really well.

Now, this will all be irrelevant in 5 weeks, but honestly, Gen's upper mid tier. Definitely not the 4th worst character in the game.

E. Honda is quite a bit better than this indicates, too. So is Cammy, and so is Viper.

All tier lists should be taken with a grain of salt... or a huge pile of salt. Preferably Morton's.

#11
sweatypalm said on April 3, 2010 at 6:43 a.m.

Please read my blog @ http://sweatypalm.wordpress.com/ where i explain why tier lists are not to be trusted. Debate is welcome

#12
UltraDavid said on April 7, 2010 at 9:06 a.m.

Man, this is ridiculous. SF4 is just about to become obsolete, and the Japanese randoms who put this list together still know so little about the game? Their lack of knowledge about the console characters in particular is the weakest thing about this.

#13
RisingStar said on April 7, 2010 at 7:40 p.m.

I dont agree with alot of this list but oh well...

#14
Shinebox said on April 12, 2010 at 12:49 p.m.

@33 Ken's ultra is actually effective against Chun Li, his dragon punch has priority over most of her aerial attacks and has more forward range.

#15
Guile4Life said on April 21, 2010 at 3:54 p.m.

for jerseyfame dude you dont know how to use guile lol guiles getting the buff he needs but they will never give guile a new move for those who loves guile for someone whos only got 2 moves hes pretty dang good for only having 2 moves guile is n always will be my first n favorite. if your looking for some guile beat downs friend me on xboxlive Viciousfatality il show u what guile can do

#16
bruneodj said on April 24, 2010 at 11:03 p.m.

Blanca is a high tier, i don't use him often but i spam throws with him and electricity and i win 80% of the time
blanka ultra is hte more damaging in the game...
i won yesterday 14 straight matches online including one match were i could only se one button

#17
bruneodj said on April 24, 2010 at 11:09 p.m.

also blanka new ultra is by far the best in SSF4 so hed better be top of the list... in the SSf4 tier list or else... blanka new ultra is said to be the greatest ultra ever created by a capcom developer.. god bless America

#18
Psycho said on April 29, 2010 at 11:06 a.m.

@ 187 ROFL

#19
Shizzle said on May 1, 2010 at 4:14 a.m.

Im not sure, but there hasn't been any game updates between the last two Tier Ranking lists?

As there is assumed that players of equal skill fight eachother, does it make any sense that the first list looks different from the second?

#20
JetX said on May 3, 2010 at 3:08 a.m.

How in the hell is Guile a low tier character? and Sakura is underated, just that people don't know how to use her. So far I get beat up by every single sakura player ive met. And good news for Abel players, hes catching up :D

#21
Fujisawa_Loser said on May 4, 2010 at 2:47 p.m.

Anyone know any more recent tiers when I checked Balrog's page they said that he's number two so I was wondering how is the list now.

#22
Danielq94 said on May 5, 2010 at 12:36 p.m.

All characters can be good if you know how to use them, personally i think people consider tiers too much, i play with sakura, rose, chun, guile, dan and Fei-long and most of them are low tier and i can still own higher tiered characters online, i'm not saying that characters don't have their bad matchups though on the contrary i think sagat needs to gain some and dan, gen, and vega have some definite disadvantages.. it's learning how to get round them that shos the mark of a good player

#23
Fujisawa_Loser said on May 5, 2010 at 6:01 p.m.

Ah I see what you did there.

#24
sweatypalm said on May 10, 2010 at 7:30 a.m.

This tier list is a loose guideline? Then why has it got a set of numbers as the expected result of a match without knowing the players and what they are capable of? It does say two players of equal skill but how do you determine that?

#25
duds said on May 15, 2010 at 9:55 a.m.

Hey yo event hubs you might wanna upload this or you might wanna wait till it's more justified. It's the SSF4 Tier list:

http://iplaywinner.com/news/2010/5/13...

#26
Immortal_JL said on May 17, 2010 at 10:24 a.m.

I own 90% of my matches with Guile, and about 70% of my matches with Vega, and theyre pretty low tier. but theyre monsters in the right hands.

#27
JetX said on May 17, 2010 at 11:03 p.m.

Agree with 197 in good hands these so called "low tiers" can be hard to beat in the right hands. Especialy Guile and Sakura =s

#28
JetX said on May 22, 2010 at 12:56 a.m.

@170 you sir are an ass.

#29
freekill said on June 20, 2010 at 6:40 a.m.

@197 and 198:
first i want to say i agree that some characters can be beastly in the right hands, but the main problem (well its not really a problem) is that nobody knows how to fight low tier characters because they're not seen very often.

#30
Cascadian1106 said on July 21, 2010 at 3:22 a.m.

Awesome! I guess Chun Li's back to where she rightfully belongs. Up there at the top. Top tier Chun! Woot! Woot!

#31
jhayze said on July 21, 2010 at 3:22 a.m.

the new tier list is totally BS!

#32
PainKiller said on July 21, 2010 at 3:52 a.m.

dudley is that low because of his s----y pokes that can't beat anything at all....

#33
LearningFast said on July 21, 2010 at 4:03 a.m.

Oh wow a Teir list with Chun li at the top now you know the world has gone crazy

#34
cearbeartron said on July 21, 2010 at 5:04 a.m.

I think Vegas position on the list is legit but I dont agree that its a 6-4 matchup against Blanka. Even though the matchup isn't as bad as in vanilla, its still in Blankas favor, should be 4 - 6 imo. Also think that Blanka should be higher on that list, he got more bufs than nerfs in super.

#35
xShonuffx said on July 21, 2010 at 5:20 a.m.

WTF Chun Li is S Tier? GTFOH.

I main Chun and in no way I feel she is that high, I feel she should have stayed in A tier but not S. She still has plenty of bad match ups.

I guess I should be happy but at the same time im disappointed because now everyone and their mama is gonna use Chun Li and it's no longer gonna feel unique to play her. Now I really got to step my game up.

#36
hitmanr92 said on July 21, 2010 at 5:27 a.m.

The new tier list is pile of crap.

#37
Chisin_Jong said on July 21, 2010 at 5:30 a.m.

LOL chun li! i believe she IS up there, and i do see why the japs would consider her S tier. i actualy agree with her matchups, except a few.

Oh well this is still a rough estimate as they stil need to learn about the new characters as well as the console characters from vanilla

#38
Loggo89 said on July 21, 2010 at 5:32 a.m.

...YOU SEE WHAT YOU DID CAPCOM?

YOUR HORRIBLE NEW CHARACTERS ARE WORSE THAN DAN.

As a Dan player, just let me say it is a sad day for me when I'm NOT using the worst character in the game. What, they expect me to learn Makoto now? ;_______;

#39
JayMed said on July 21, 2010 at 5:33 a.m.

w00t! w00t! Honda!

#40
juxtapose said on July 21, 2010 at 5:49 a.m.

@204 LearningFast: I guess you never played 3S

There's NO WAY Chun/Honda is 7-3. JUST SAYING.

Tier lists are stupid.

#41
Baha said on July 21, 2010 at 6:11 a.m.

I'll bet in 6 months Makoto and Hakan will Mid-tier...but I can't see why any character can't win a major tounrny. I'd say this is a pretty well balanced game with a few awful matchups stuck in there for fun (fun LOL). What ever, who care?

#42
ChunLi said on July 21, 2010 at 6:13 a.m.

@#9

Rose? LEAST intimidating?

The one time you fight a GOOD Rose, you'll really want to think twice about her being "less intimidating".
(*is happy to main Rose/Sakura/Chun'Li)

#43
ChunLi said on July 21, 2010 at 6:14 a.m.

*Looks at Tier list again.*

:3

#44
GSwag said on July 21, 2010 at 6:16 a.m.

this similar to what someone said in a stream before ssf4 barely came out. i think by pharai? not sure. but he said all the new chars r wild cards, not that grea best is brobably ibuki, and that just about all the originals in sf4 that werent top tier got way better

#45
RandomJohn said on July 21, 2010 at 6:18 a.m.

Tier list is always fun to look at but never useful. If anyone actually will use the list to figure out who to main, I'm sorry, you shouldn't be playing the game. It all depends on the player itself. Daigo makes Ryu like a S tier because he mastered his character. I'm not saying mastering a character like Dan will win you competitions but just saying. People should figure out which character fits their gameplay. Does this person like to zone a lot or is he a rush down player? It all depends. It's like buying a car. If you want to go off roading and decides to buy a convertible (Corvert, etc) that may not be the right car for you even though a Corevet is a nice vehicle.

#46
SteadiestShark said on July 21, 2010 at 6:21 a.m.

Wow, this game is really balanced, even the top characters have multiple bad matchups.

Although, I disagree with Guile/Rose being 6-4 to Guile and a few other things.

#47
SmoothJK said on July 21, 2010 at 6:22 a.m.

Did anyone notice that the first five characters are charge? That's almost the opposite of what happened in vanilla (the constant being Boxer).

#48
HypahVypah said on July 21, 2010 at 6:33 a.m.

Watch. Some unknown will make top 8 with Makoto, crash SRK, and the next tier list will place her smack dab in the middle because all the "experts" figure she can't be bottom tier if she performed well at a tournament.

#49
Amar said on July 21, 2010 at 7:27 a.m.

I'm really glad guy is put that low.

#50
Garcian_Ulmeyda said on July 21, 2010 at 7:47 a.m.

@219 Yeah, I've hit some players online that used the supposed low tiers characters and demolished me. Not to mention there is always someone out there pulling a J.Wong (see link below) saying one character sucks then finds out that in the right hands they're a killer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXBa9h...

#51
JohnJohnson said on July 21, 2010 at 8:44 a.m.

I think the reason why the tier list is the way it is, is because if you if think about it, all the new characters are rush down in play style and have really hard times vs really good turtlers (Sagat, Honda, Guile, etc.) So with 35 characters, you end up with a lot of match ups that are won by the turtle because rush down have no really options around them, with the exception of Abel and Balrog (although in Rogs case, he can be played both offensively and defensively and in Abel's case, he has a bunch of good match ups vs turtle style characters). Point being, is that even though I think Honda and Chun Li are good, the reasoned they're ranked so high is because they just have a lot of good match ups. If you actually look at the match ups, Chun Li and Honda have some bad match ups, and Honda especially has bad match ups vs high ranking characters. The reason I don't take tier seriously, is because there is always more to them then they appear.

#52
SteadiestShark said on July 21, 2010 at 8:55 a.m.

I think Tier lists should be nuked for this version of the game. It's so much better balanced to the point where the better player will almost always win - Mike Ross is a testament to that.

#53
akillyz said on July 21, 2010 at 8:55 a.m.

no duh chun li is high, she is one of the only chracters that kick my ass 90% of the time, the other 2 being Blanka & Zangief, i main vega and have around 4000 BP

#54
Nelaelu said on July 21, 2010 at 9:16 a.m.

NiCe BaLaNcE !!!

Buffs for last 5 and we're GOOD!! (Of course lets wait for more tier lists first)

#55
Sakanade said on July 21, 2010 at 9:26 a.m.

Age of the Charge Char's

#56
PainKiller said on July 21, 2010 at 9:31 a.m.

good buffs for the last ten characters (solid buffs for the last five and small buffs for the other 5) would balance this game for good

#57
AceKillah said on July 21, 2010 at 9:52 a.m.

NERF CHUN LI!!!!! DO IT

#58
RagingApocalypse said on July 21, 2010 at 10:03 a.m.

THIS IS MADNESS!!!
Hopefully the tier list will get more stable and solidified.
too many things not making sense.

#59
RagingApocalypse said on July 21, 2010 at 10:07 a.m.

Also, the Japanese don't play the game on a mass scale since its not in arcades yet. I personally don't believe they should be the best authority on a tier list right now. The Iplaywinner one seems more accurate.

#60
manboy said on July 21, 2010 at 10:16 a.m.

you the man honda!!! i knew you'd be on top one day

#61
shack said on July 21, 2010 at 11:48 a.m.

@ RagingApocalypse

They play just as much. Their top players play Super and its not like we play it at arcades either, so why should we be considered more knowledgeable? Some of it is a little odd, but it prolly doesnt even matter if they are adding new challengers cuz its gona end up changing by then again also.

#62
SteadiestShark said on July 21, 2010 at 11:53 a.m.

@232

Because most of their levelling up is done at arcades. They have a constant stream of powerful competitors in an offline environment. US is NOTHING like Japan in terms of fighting game scene...

#63
omegax9000 said on July 21, 2010 at 12:03 p.m.

tiers are retarded there should be a list for players not characters

#64
chickenwings said on July 21, 2010 at 12:14 p.m.

Wow, this isnt gonna last. I cant agree with alot of the match ups. Bison didnt change much to put him that high(he started high in regular sf4 and droped like a rock) and ryu didnt change at all so why he would drop is beyond me. The thing i find funny is that the top character (namely chun, honda and guile) can are all characters that can lame out(turtle) pretty easily(especialy chun). Also notice where makato is listed and shes a purely offensive character. I think that says alot about this game.

#65
BlackNoob said on July 21, 2010 at 12:14 p.m.

Dan isn't at the bottom :)

#66
Existent said on July 21, 2010 at 12:17 p.m.

If anyone puts any stake in this whatsoever they're a fool and I shouldn't need to explain why.

#67
Doppler said on July 21, 2010 at 12:19 p.m.

well I think they need to nerf the very safe moves some character has, like Buson head stomp, or rolling atacks, summo headbut, or those very safe shoryukens, or that dive kick from rufus..... this game need more balance on those safe moves, and some buffs in low tiers

As a vega main I think hes more good than before but still dont have a good get the F**k out of me move, scarleth teror just sucks a lot u.u

#68
chickenwings said on July 21, 2010 at 12:20 p.m.

LOL look at ryus match ups. He loses to guile? Honestly now, they invented a bunch of 4s, he doesnt lose to blarog either, this isnt st, low forward and cross ups is all u need.

#69
chickenwings said on July 21, 2010 at 12:22 p.m.

@237

some of the tier lists are ok but this one is terrible. I can see chun being high tier and honda also but the rest of the list is retarded.

#70
kingofthesharks said on July 21, 2010 at 12:27 p.m.

Well at least charge characters dominate the top because i can't do quarter circles to the goddamm right.

#71
Existent said on July 21, 2010 at 1:07 p.m.

The only lists I would put any credence in are ones from 3rd Strike, MVC2, etc. Less balanced games that have been out long enough to genuinely rank the potential of a character. I started ignoring lists from SF4 long ago.

#72
Farsight said on July 21, 2010 at 1:25 p.m.

I play Makoto and i'm proud of my tier position 8D
*sigh*

#73
BisonBetterBeGoodInSSF4 said on July 21, 2010 at 1:41 p.m.

WTF bison is top teir. no way. damn now everyone is gonna think im a top teir whore, and even if they dont, they're gonna think i win just because i play a top teir. i was happy that Bison was mid teir in vanilla, now im actually pissed.

my name wasn't an actual threat lol.

#74
BlankaBeast said on July 21, 2010 at 2:26 p.m.

Congrats to Capcom for making an awesome balanced game. Tie for top tier that cant be beat!

#75
kona said on July 21, 2010 at 2:36 p.m.

How is Chun vs Sagat a 6-4 in Chun's favor? He may not dish out the damage he used to but he can still zone the hell out of her. He still has a lot of the same tools to make Chun's life really hard. I honestly think it's a 6-4 in Sagat's favor. I also think a 7-3 vs Honda is a little too generous as well. Chun wins that matchup, but not as bad as a 7-3. Well, that's my opinion of it anyways.

#76
BlankaBeast said on July 21, 2010 at 3:01 p.m.

It is what it is, and it isn't what it isn't. It will be what it will be. Your opinion may vary.

#77
JohnJohnson said on July 21, 2010 at 3:15 p.m.

I said in an early post, 222, that Honda was ranked so high because he had a ton of match ups against the new characters. While I was at work, it got me thinking, what would the tier list look like if the new characters where taken out. I did this with everyone from Vanilla (expect for Dan) and I got some pretty cool results.

Chun Li- 132
Guile- 131
Bison, Balrog- 130
Seth- 128
Abel- 127
Honda, Cammy- 126
Ryu- 124
Rufus, Dhalsim, Sagat- 123
Akuma, Fei Long- 122
Blanka- 121
Ken- 120
Rose, Zangeif- 118
Viper- 117
Vega- 116
El Fuerte'- 114
Gouken- 108
Sakura- 105
Gen- 99

The point of this? I guest to show you that a lot of people really think the changes in Super are THAT important, to the point were Sagat and Akuma, 2 of the best characters in Vanilla, are out ranked but Honda, a character who, at best, was in the middle of the rankings in that game. I think someone already said this, but watch, this tier list is going to be all types of messed up as the game gets older.

#78
akillyz said on July 21, 2010 at 3:21 p.m.

wait 6-4 for vega vs blanka?
no.

#79
StUnNa876 said on July 21, 2010 at 4:15 p.m.

wow... ppl stop whining... the tier list just shows the match up on a certain skill level... just as someone stated before, no matter the tier ranking of a character, it just depends on the person using the character... i got a few friends who knows how to fuk with your head with certain characters... for instance vega.... omg he is broken based on what he can do, but ppl just dont want to devote the time on learning how to use him properly. Makoto omg she is disgusting if the right person uses her... rose..... must i say anything else...

#80
SnakeAes said on July 21, 2010 at 5:08 p.m.

What up charge characters? Welcome to top tier!

#81
BlankaBeast said on July 21, 2010 at 5:11 p.m.

@248 JohnJohnson Thanks I like that.

#82
whoshoyu said on July 21, 2010 at 6:22 p.m.

I call bs on this teir! guile got better, but he's not top tier, and no way is bison under chun and honda.

#83
BlankaBeast said on July 21, 2010 at 6:27 p.m.

kick a$$ cross feature, long time coming, now just make balrog the top gray color and everything will be right with the world!

#84
Theunder said on July 21, 2010 at 7:08 p.m.

Oh man.... why is Gouken that low? i guess buffs on all his normals wasn't enough,i'm starting to think that him getting a shoryuken wouldn't be enough to make him equal to Akuma.Oh well,he's still fun to use.

#85
BlankaBeast said on July 21, 2010 at 7:12 p.m.

I mean 188-183 = 5!! Thats worth a new color if you ask me.

#86
MadnessFamilyguile said on July 21, 2010 at 8:44 p.m.

This list makes tons of sense, and you can totally see this in the matches you watch or play. Strongest low tier i think i've ever seen.

Welcome back to the top tier colonel guile, let the debate begin

#87
MadnessFamilyguile said on July 21, 2010 at 9:07 p.m.

I have to disagree about a couple of things. I can't see how chun smashes honda bad enough to be 7-3....hondas are more likely to complain about guile than chun-li in my experience...i mean he can punish his best move with his ultra on block.

Hakan also...cant really do anything against a guile who knows his tricks...7-3 for guile easy, in my opinion they should be tied at 191.

Expect balrog to rise...he doesnt really have a bad matchup in my opinion. Because of that i expect atleast one top showing on these lists, but the game is so balanced that anything can happen. Viper is ANYTHING but a weak character

#88
streetman88 said on July 21, 2010 at 10:34 p.m.

WOW! Chun Li is top tier again i knew she was high tier level but Dame not top tier aint gone lie that makes me playing her feel a bit better but also like #206 said everybody and there mama,daddy,brother and sister etc will probably be playing chun li guess i gotta work them thick thunder legs even harder now lol.

#89
Dalenoix said on July 22, 2010 at 10:32 a.m.

Fuc-k that bullsh-it "Tier Character Rankings" and play the character you like for design or fighting style that convinces you the most.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw2g1P...

#90
cuttyb1987 said on July 22, 2010 at 6:31 p.m.

its fun looking at the tier list but I don't agree with this list at all it seems weird even at high level I doubt Bison beats Abel 6-4 Beats Sagat, ryu and lose to guile 7-3 wtf

#91
cuttyb1987 said on July 22, 2010 at 6:33 p.m.

This isn't third strike Chun li isn't the best in this game llol her fireball isn't the best and she is primarily a poking counter hit counter but I can't see her winning like this is third strike like that

#92
Hamza said on July 23, 2010 at 4 a.m.

This has to be the most hilarious tier list ever. How does she go 6-4 against Sagat, Rog, or even Cammy for that matter?
S*** reversal is s***, how can just her ultra put her in as number 1?

#93
BlankaBeast said on July 23, 2010 at 8:56 a.m.

8 people jumped above blanka, blanka jumped no one, those buffs made HUGE differences...I think only Sagat and Akuma got jumped more.

#94
BlankaBeast said on July 23, 2010 at 9:13 a.m.

except for zangnerf....but who didnt jump him, right?

#95
MadnessFamilyguile said on July 23, 2010 at 11:47 a.m.

The reason she has an advantage on sagat is because he has lower life and does less damage.......not hard to figure out. Her mixups always put him in trouble but he had huge damage and health to compensate.

Rog was always the same, she has alot of answers for what he can do

#96
parva said on July 23, 2010 at 7:44 p.m.

I remember seeing a very similar list on a Japanese website. They had some match data like several thousand matches. So this list is probably based on that one, which can be considered accurate. (I just can't remember what site it is.)
But most of the matches are online. Network lag played an important role.
Even Daigo has some problems playing online, so I think maybe lags favor charging characters.

#97
Shaunbake said on July 23, 2010 at 10:56 p.m.

It's obvious this tier ranking is very flawed. As long as your good against shotos it brings you tier ranking up tremendously. I'm a bison player, and honestly, you gotta work hard to play as him still. Ryu is too well rounded to be lower then the top three. It's just that ALOT of scrubs play with him so they get beat. Be 4 REAL.

#98
KenScrub said on July 24, 2010 at 1:33 a.m.

Cammy in the top tier FTW!

#99
canabalistic999 said on July 24, 2010 at 10:59 a.m.

this list is so off, for many if all characters, the matchups are all screwy and since there are many shotos if u have a advantage against them the rank goes way up, also since new characters still arnt fully understood those matchups are guaranteed to be innaccurate

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